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GameBanger #1 Posted 31 March 2012 - 07:38 AM

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Since the 0.7.2 patch I've been playing my 2 current French tanks (The Lorraine 40t and AMX 50 120). As I'm writing this post I've been playing the Lorraine some 40+ battles. The thing is, the patch has taken away some of the fun factor of this tank. Before the patch I was able to shoot 3 or 6 shots before I had to hide, in order to not get shot myself. But now, I have to wait for the gun to aim. Because it now takes longer. And in a good round, I can get 3 shots before I need to hide. Then comes the reload time. The (almost) best thing to do is to head far back when you're reloading. Because you'll have plenty of time to get back.

I thought the idea was that these tanks didn't have any armor, and hence needed something to give it an edge. In fact the only French high tier tank that has any type of "real" armor is the AMX 50B's front hull armor. And that thing doesn't really have any side armor to begin with. Not to mention that most of the French lights and mediums only have 3 crewmen. About 60 to 80% of every first shot, takes out the driver...

I'm not saying that the tank is useless. Oh no. But, what made this tank fun, has had a significant part of it removed. For a 15 minute game, that reload time on a tank like that really sucks.

I don't own the Bat Chatillon yet (some 50000 experience points away) so I can't really comment on it. The rest of the light and medium tanks was some time ago, so I can't comment on those either.

Anyway what is your take on the changes made? Anything you feel has been destroyed, or improved?

typhaon #2 Posted 31 March 2012 - 07:52 AM

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For many players the fun part was being able to destroy most tank within seconds if not disturbed... so if they made that more difficult... then yeah, they killed the fun.

TankkiPoju #3 Posted 31 March 2012 - 07:54 AM

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View PostGameBanger, on 31 March 2012 - 07:38 AM, said:

Anyway what is your take on the changes made? Anything you feel has been destroyed, or improved?

Well, it's more fun to play now knowing that if the enemy has two Lorraines and a BatChat, the defeat is not 100% sure anymore no matter what you do. Especially on maps like Himmelsdorf.

Mis1 #4 Posted 31 March 2012 - 08:05 AM

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the problem was if 1 team got 3 bat chat platoon and 2 team didnt have any 1team was always winning.
so I think big nerfhammer should hit only bats not lorraine

Cimex1105 #5 Posted 31 March 2012 - 09:16 AM

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View PostMis1, on 31 March 2012 - 08:05 AM, said:

the problem was if 1 team got 3 bat chat platoon and 2 team didnt have any 1team was always winning.
so I think big nerfhammer should hit only bats not lorraine

What I don't understand is people always complaining about groups of french tanks and demanding a nerf. Blame the MM, not the tanks ffs. It can't be that hard to balance a 3 BatChat platoon with another one.

On topic: Well yea, the feeling is gone. For me it's mostly the non-existant gun depression. Only plus side (sarcasm alert): You can now spend your 55 second reload time finding an angle so you can shoot stuff. Still I bet the "nerf french tanks" rage will continue. Good players will find ways to still own noobs with those tanks, the noobs will still complain. So I'm waiting for the next nerf.

To the casual players: Don't waste your creds/exp on french T8+ anymore. You will just cry. Get an IS-4.

GameBanger #6 Posted 31 March 2012 - 01:45 PM

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View PostMis1, on 31 March 2012 - 08:05 AM, said:

the problem was if 1 team got 3 bat chat platoon and 2 team didnt have any 1team was always winning.
so I think big nerfhammer should hit only bats not lorraine

As Climex1105 has pointed out, it's the match maker in it's "working condition". It's something that has been brought up (a hole ******* lot) times. Other then some very few tank's match making spread, there doesn't seem to have been any difference, in the hole, "new algorithms" they claim to input.

Rimtu #7 Posted 31 March 2012 - 01:47 PM

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Ty devs... lorraine is now worst T8 med...

Jinqx #8 Posted 31 March 2012 - 07:05 PM

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Yep my lorry is as good as a loltractor atm, lolorry hahahaheeeh :/ , the time where you actually had any use of the revolver mag is all but gone now,

You never ever have the time to put six shots downrange,  i spend most time reloading after 7.2 cos i dont want to engage anything with maybe 2-3 shots in the mag.

BTW: my lorry dropped from 56% win to 48% in two days, i'm no use whatsoever to my team anymore

Bocy #9 Posted 31 March 2012 - 08:13 PM

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After patch 2 days playing with french tank and i think so to sell it all and leave them to theres destiny.Thanks WG for all good what you do with this line.

Jinqx #10 Posted 31 March 2012 - 08:21 PM

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Lorry is now a tank for the true coward, ie stay as far back as possibly and try to get a shot or two of when opurtunity presents itself, Boooooring.

I will put the lorry back in the closet and not take it out until they un nerf it a bit, absolutely horribad experience to play it atm.

Edit: ALL THE LOVELY NERFS FOR LORRAINE, read'n weep

Lorraine 40t:
tank durability reduced by 50 points;
turning speed reduced by 4 grad/sec;
splash from motion and turning on first suspension increased by 5%;
splash from motion and turning on second suspension increased by 15%;
turret turning speed reduced by 1 grad/sec;
view range reduced by 2.5 m;
reload time of gun 90mm F3 increased by 2.3 sec;
firing speed in the autoloader for gun 90mm F3 reduced by 10%;
aiming time for gun 90mm F3 increased by 0.14 sec;
reload time of gun 90mm canon DCA 45 increased by 2.3 sec;
firing speed in the autoloader for gun 90mm canon DCA 45 reduced by 10%;
aiming time for gun 90mm canon DCA 45 increased by 0.14 sec;
reload time of gun 100mm SA 47 increased by 0.6 sec;
firing speed in the autoloader for gun 100mm SA 47 reduced by 15%;
aiming time of gun 100mm SA 47 increased by 0.14 sec.

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View PostTankkiPoju, on 31 March 2012 - 07:54 AM, said:

Well, it's more fun to play now knowing that if the enemy has two Lorraines and a BatChat, the defeat is not 100% sure anymore no matter what you do. Especially on maps like Himmelsdorf.

yeah... Last time i had a battle with six mid-tiers AMX 13/90 on my team and none in front, we lost in less than five minutes. Five AMX suicides and mine survived till the end but could do practically nothing.
These tanks were supposed to bring novelty. People couldn't adapt so they nerfed the whole tree... Great.

Nagymadar #12 Posted 01 April 2012 - 01:30 AM

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All French have been über-nerfed. This game isn't fun anymore, as you fight, play, PAY for a tank what can be nerfed without limits. Sad, really sad. I will not pay any gold further.

Gurgl #13 Posted 01 April 2012 - 04:48 PM

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I don't really like my lorraine, with 3.5 seconds between each shot i don't really feel the autoloader, it's more like a fast shooting normal gun with a minute reload after the 6th round. It has quite low damage per minute compared to other tier 8 meds, so in a larger fight where you have to reload after your shots, the lorraine aint as much use because it doesn't simply have a sustainable damage output in the long run considering it's reload. Also with it's huge profile and weak armor its a kind of easy to hit bulletmagnet, and if an arty hits you it's HE shells will most likely penetrate and kill you instantly dealing its massive full damage because of your low armor values.

That said it has it's moments, and with it's agility it can easily relocate to where it's needed. Right now it's also it's only defense, being able to run away while reloading. Even though i have not played it more then 88 games my stats are quite good with a winrate of 64%, so my stats sais different from what i feel when i run this tank.

wolframio #14 Posted 01 April 2012 - 05:27 PM

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I develop 100mm gun yesterday, so I said to my self "now I have the batchat gun I am going to rape all enemy team" and then I enter the first battle and realize those 49 second reload and those 3.74 second betwin shoot to shoot, and the terrible aiming time, and a very bad presition of the gun. seriusly ???????? how could a batchat rape enemy team in 7.1.1 with this gun????. I didn´t know 100mm gun in 7.1.1 but now, in 7.2 100 mm gun is a "....." (better don´t say nothing).

Mr_Sukebe #15 Posted 02 April 2012 - 12:20 PM

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Used my Lorry over the weekend.  The damage effects seem to be substantially worse.  Hit anywhere and it was bad news.
Took to using all of my French tanks (Lorry and AMX) as sniper tanks until the enemy is massively thinned out.  They're not bad in that role, but god help you if you get into close combat within anything.  Had a Pz4 critical damage my Lorry yesterday and knock out TWO of my crew in a single exchange.

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Well... I didn't feel nerf so much on my 13 90, but on Lorraine it's totally massive. Since now, I'm going to take only x2 experience on this tank.

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View PostTomo_2, on 02 April 2012 - 01:42 PM, said:

Well... I didn't feel nerf so much on my 13 90, but on Lorraine it's totally massive. Since now, I'm going to take only x2 experience on this tank.

Totally agree. AMX 13's can cope more easily with the nerf.

ulcusrodens #18 Posted 02 April 2012 - 02:47 PM

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honestly, raging because an utterly OP tank has been somewhat reduced to a more "normal" one, with its strengths and weaknessess, is pointless. french tanks were an experiment gone wrong, because they crashed the balance. now devs are slowly fixing the problem... just adapt. it happened to t54s as well, at their introduction they were practically invincible!

GameBanger #19 Posted 02 April 2012 - 04:36 PM

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View Postdheim, on 02 April 2012 - 02:47 PM, said:

honestly, raging because an utterly OP tank has been somewhat reduced to a more "normal" one, with its strengths and weaknessess, is pointless. french tanks were an experiment gone wrong, because they crashed the balance. now devs are slowly fixing the problem... just adapt. it happened to t54s as well, at their introduction they were practically invincible!

I can see from your profile that you've played some French tanks. But, the highest one is AMX 13 75. Not the Lorraine, nor the Bat Chatillon.

Keep in mind that the French tanks, as it has been said many times before, don't have any armor. That means that a hole lot of shots will penetrate them, and do full damage. I.e. A shells damage that ranges from 300 to 500, will almost always do a damage of 450 to 500.

The nerf that they've done, basically has almost taken everything that gave the Lorraine (and some others) it's edge. Right now, it's main edge, is that it can drive away when it has to reload. And that is a long reload. There is also the accuracy and aim time that has also been nerfed, 50 h.p. has been removed, among others.


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View PostGameBanger, on 31 March 2012 - 07:38 AM, said:

I was able to shoot 3 or 6 shots before I had to hide

HAHAHA CRY MORE PLZ




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