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malcheus #1 Posted 10 April 2012 - 07:50 PM

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Hi,
I hope there are some retired historians amongst us.
Last weekend I went to my mom's place, and while searching for some tools in the shed my eye stumbled across two perfectly squared boxes.
When I opened them, I stumbled across some text:
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So, obviously, my interest was sparked, as I clearly had my hands on two german WWII ammo cases.
Sadly, they were mostly filled with tools, however in them there were some shell casings.
After further inquiry, my mother told me the following story:
My grandparents lived in Walcheren, in Zeeland, a province of the Netherlands, close to the sea shore. When the province was liberated,
the people of the village, mostly farmers,  went to the shore area to look for valuables left by the Germans. There they found the cases (empty) and these shell casings.
Since they were made of nice and shiny copper, my grandmother polished them and used them as flower pots. Later she got bored of them, and they ended up in the cases.
When my grandparents died, and their house was sold, the ammo-cases, with the shell casings ended up in our shed, untill last weekend I found them.
I, being mildly curious to their origin, would really like to know where they came from originally, and for what they have been used.
As far as I could find out, they probably originate from AA guns used at the dutch shore. But which type, I have no clue.
Anyways, here are some pictures of the first one (which I have polished right after taking the pics).

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I hope the markings on the bottom are clear, they consist of the following, as far as I can make out: 22, then under it 39 and sort of an upside-down L. Then 4 marks in a circular fashion: A, X, 5 and H. Then a circled stamp 184, and an E.
The diameter seems to be about 4.7 cm.

Any thoughts?

Greetings,
Malcheus

Sturmtiger_304 #2 Posted 10 April 2012 - 08:30 PM

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Need better camera. :<

theta0123 #3 Posted 10 April 2012 - 08:34 PM

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My first guess goes to the 40mm bofors. But i contacted someone i know to get this identified



By diameter, do you mean the diameter of the shell CASING or did you measured the internal diameter where the projectile once was situated?

malcheus #4 Posted 10 April 2012 - 10:02 PM

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View Posttheta0123, on 10 April 2012 - 08:34 PM, said:

My first guess goes to the 40mm bofors. But i contacted someone i know to get this identified



By diameter, do you mean the diameter of the shell CASING or did you measured the internal diameter where the projectile once was situated?

I measured the approximate diameter of the shell, as it is positioned in the somewhat narrower part of the casing.

And yes, I need a better camera, this is just my phone, will try to make better pics now its polished  :Smile_honoring:

Aqnde #5 Posted 11 April 2012 - 12:34 PM

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4.7cm Flak 36(t) or 4.7cm Flak 37(t) (dunno which one is correct)?

Either that or some captured 3 Pounder from Soviets/French/Brits. That is my guess at least.

malcheus #6 Posted 11 April 2012 - 04:28 PM

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This is a slightly clearer view of the base.

theta0123 #7 Posted 11 April 2012 - 05:40 PM

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Seeing on the stamps of the gun box, wich says L42 and L40

MY best guess is the QF 3 pounder Hotchkiss
http://en.wikipedia....under_Hotchkiss

For several reasons=

-you mentioned the shore, these where widely used coastal guns because of there wide spread usage
-The gun lenght 40 calibres matches
-The calibre matches
-The dutch coastal units HAD IIRC QF 3pounder hotckisses

malcheus #8 Posted 11 April 2012 - 06:54 PM

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View Posttheta0123, on 11 April 2012 - 05:40 PM, said:

Seeing on the stamps of the gun box, wich says L42 and L40

MY best guess is the QF 3 pounder Hotchkiss
http://en.wikipedia....under_Hotchkiss

For several reasons=

-you mentioned the shore, these where widely used coastal guns because of there wide spread usage
-The gun lenght 40 calibres matches
-The calibre matches
-The dutch coastal units HAD IIRC QF 3pounder hotckisses

wow! nice find, the wiki shows an image of a shell that looks an aweful lot like this one! Quite surprising that it could be of Dutch origin, instead of german import.
Dont pay too much attention to the boxes btw, they are probably unrelated, since they say 1500, and 1500 of these shells would never fit.

theta0123 #9 Posted 11 April 2012 - 06:59 PM

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It could be that this box was in a bigger box  :Smile_honoring:




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