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KV-13 vs VK3002DB


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bloodyfear #1 Posted 17 April 2012 - 02:07 PM

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hi guys i would like your opinion about these 2 tanks.

both of them are brawlers and frankly i cant decide between them.

I was going to buy the VK however after the nerf on HE i fear its 10,5 cm KwK 42 L/28 is useless unlike the kv-13s 85 mm D5T-85BM

I like the VKs front mounted turret design + slopped armor however the faster + more armored kv-13 was always a strong enemy

thoughts and advice welcome!

Addi64 #2 Posted 17 April 2012 - 02:16 PM

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the KV-13 has some aweful gun depression for a medium. almost useless in hills. I hated to drive it and I would never buy it again. And I am usually all about meds

Klopirat #3 Posted 17 April 2012 - 02:17 PM

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vk2003 but of course with the 88 and not the 10.5...when I see somebody in a tier 7 tank like the tiger or the vk with the 10.5 I always want to bang my head against the wall because of this stupidity...

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Addi64 #4 Posted 17 April 2012 - 02:19 PM

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View PostKlopirat, on 17 April 2012 - 02:17 PM, said:

vk2003 but of course with the 88 and not the 10.5...when I see somebody in a tier 7 tank like the tiger or the vk I always want to bang my head against the wall because of this stupidity...

so you hurt yourself every time you see a tiger? That sounds painful!

bloodyfear #5 Posted 17 April 2012 - 02:28 PM

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well the short 88 has a hard time competting at tier 6.... so much more at tier 7 but i guess you are right the 10.5 is crappy for anything but IN YOUR FACE situations :\

hmm is the kv-13 really that awefull with the bad gun depression?

i know mids are about flanking-taking the hill but does it make it completely unviable at those situations?

Masmix #6 Posted 17 April 2012 - 02:36 PM

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I never played KV-13 but i have some battles on VK3002DB ... So VK has got very good front armour better than Panther. It's fast with 2nd turret and very fast with 1st. He is ok but he need more penetration

pilarius #7 Posted 17 April 2012 - 02:59 PM

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I've played both.
I never really liked the KV-13, but I have to admit that Soviet mediums were never really much of a joy for me. The KV-13 did not impress me with anything except its frontal armor and I remember that the gun it had sucked pretty badly, whereas VK3002 DB did impress me. The VK has impressive DPS with the 88, it has also good enough frontal armor, speed and especially big HP pool to flank. And when it does flank, it really hurts. It can't really fight T10 and most of the T9 enemies, but it is a king of T7 and a valuable ally and feared enemy of T8.

Zszywacz #8 Posted 17 April 2012 - 04:19 PM

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When WG introduced the KV-13 it was a very good tank. Fast, great 122mm (The Mini Troll) and the 85mm alternative. Tier 7 matches (so me = top dog) were ~50% of all matches i played these times with it.
The tank had only 3 weak points: gun depression, weak turret armour (ALWAYS shoot the turret on the KV-13, it never bounces) and 2.5 sec aim time on the 85mm (seriously WG... 2.5 sec for a pea shooter?).
Then new HE mechanics came and a bit later the normalization change. And of course players advanced to tier 8, 9 and 10 tanks.
Now, for me, this tanks is almost unplayable. Well maybe not unplayable, but definately not as fun as it was...

KV-13 is the KV-5 of the medium tanks.

bloodyfear #9 Posted 17 April 2012 - 04:29 PM

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alright guys, thank you for the info  :Smile_honoring:


cya ingame time to grind that DB to elite :Smile-izmena:

Passchendaele #10 Posted 17 April 2012 - 04:42 PM

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What do you mean for "HE mechanichs"... you used HE on 85mm?

Zszywacz #11 Posted 17 April 2012 - 04:47 PM

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No, no - I used HE on the 122mm gun (U-11). It shoots only HE and gold ammo. It was weak against tier 6 and 7 meds, but lower tiers got one shooted and high tier heavy tanks were losing 5-15% each shot.

fiendishrabbit #12 Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:23 PM

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View PostKampfiltis, on 17 April 2012 - 02:16 PM, said:

the KV-13 has some aweful gun depression for a medium. almost useless in hills. I hated to drive it and I would never buy it again. And I am usually all about meds

With the top 85mm it's actually superior to most german mediums as gun depression (and elevation) goes, and it's only slightly worse than other ruskie mediums.
Nothing near the gun depression on american tanks (such as the easy 8) though.

The big weakness it has is the aim time. 2.85s with 100% crew.