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So I was thinking ( a deadly occupation I know).

If our Tier one will the the Vickers Medium and a Tetarch is Tier II (although they might put a MKVI in here for originality and lots of turret options).
It would follow that a Harry Hopkins is Tier III.

Then what?

The FV-301/A46 has to go in somewhere, but where? I suspect a Tier V tank, similar to the Chaffee in idea. But that leaves Tier IV open.

Seems to be a gap between development of the Harry Hopkins and the FV300 series tanks, i'm pretty sure we scrapped light tanks in favour of armoured cars for recces anyway.

I agree that FV301 needs to be in there, but you're right that it should probably fit in tier v, unless you seperated the A46 as a prototype, and used FV301 as a new tank, similar to the AMX 13 75 and 13 90.

The more i look into light british tanks the more the internets talks about a Vickers 13-tonner, but i can't find anything concrete on that.

Unlikely, the 13 tonner was a FV432 chassis with a Saladin turret and some missiles. It's way post 1960's.

Just read that the Harry Hopkins only has a top speed of 48 km/h. Pretty slow for a tank that is probably a designated light scout. Looking forward to the British line though.

 Listy, on 03 May 2012 - 04:40 PM, said:

Ah, thanks for clarifying, could never really find solid info on it

 Listy, on 03 May 2012 - 12:13 PM, said:

Between the A17 Tetrarch and the A25 Harry Hopkins there was the A18 (an enlarged A17) and A19 which were supposed to be light tank/cruiser crosses, little is known and they never progressed too far but undoubtedly would still be stuck with the 2pdr.

I think I have it!

Tier IV: A46
Tier V: FV301.

Yes I know they're essentially the same tank, just the FV-301 has less armour, jsut grabbing ideas from the T50.

 Listy, on 04 May 2012 - 02:27 PM, said:

Yeah, thats i what i was trying to say in my first post. I think its better to go with tanks that we already have info for rather than making up info based on vague reports, although that is pretty interesting information Tigger3

 2dme, on 04 May 2012 - 03:27 PM, said:

Hoping to find out more information about the A18, A19 vehicle designs after looking up the A6 '16 tonner' , A7, A8, A14 and Vickers Medium Mk III.

The British if nothing had a whole slew of designs going on between the wars.

 2dme, on 04 May 2012 - 03:27 PM, said:

What solid info do you have on the A46 or FV-300 series? Because I can't find squat (ok, I got a couple of lead still to chase down)!

 Listy, on 04 May 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

Well, on an initial perusal of google, it looked like there was a fair amount of info on them, however, after spending 2 hours or so searching i have found almost nothing that was published on them. This is a summary of what i have found:

AFV  Weapons Profile: Vickers Battle Tank (and mentioned in Osprey New Vanguard 80 Chieftain)
“The TN.12 transmission was originally produced for the Chieftain, but it was developed from the TN.10 transmission designed for the FV.300 light gun tank which was considered by the British Army in the late 1940s and early 1950s. It is interesting to note that the suspension of the Vickers battle tank also evolved from that of the FV.300, but in this case directly and not by inheritance via the Chieftain.”

AFV Weapons Profile: Conqueror Heavy Tank
“a second class of ‘medium’ tank was also asked for under what was somewhat confusingly known as the FV300 Light Tank Series”

AFV Weapons Profile No. 18 Chieftain and Leopard Development
“it was decided to adopt the TN12 semi-automatic ‘hot-shift’ gear box that been designed originally for the defunct FV300 light tank series.”


As for google, these sites appear to be the source of much of the info out there, but i've no idea where they've got it from http://www.jedsite.i...300-series.html
http://henk.fox3000.com/FV300.htm

TL:DR: There was a transmission. That is all.

 2dme, on 04 May 2012 - 07:26 PM, said:

Aye, thats what I thought. Its make it up as we go along time I've tried everything I can think of to find out about them, my last hope rests in Sheffield.
Edited by Listy, 04 May 2012 - 08:27 PM.

 Listy, on 04 May 2012 - 08:26 PM, said:

Pretty much, and we all know how much fun making it up is! Now... i'm pretty sure you could make a light tank go 100kph, have 300mm armour and a 200mm gun, British engineering at its best!

As for Sheffield, will they even have anything from that era? especially considering it seems to have got cancelled pretty quickly..

 2dme, on 04 May 2012 - 08:47 PM, said:

I did note that the suspension and weights for the FV-300 where similar to the 430 series....

When Vickers closed its paper work got split into four, and sent to four differnt libaries and museums. One ot an RAF museum, so I think thats going to be plane based. Corporate and legal stuff to Cambridge and the rest to Sheffield Libaries and the Tyne and Wear technology museum. The Tyne and Wear technology museum seems to be mostly Ship and steel related.

There's one set of papers at Sheffield that *might* have some details. Just waiting until I can afford the search.

 Listy, on 04 May 2012 - 09:24 PM, said:

In which case it would have a hp to weight ratio of around 32, given that the FV430 series is around 15tons and the FV301 was supposed to have a Meteor 500bhp engine. Although those websites also state that it's weight was around 21tons, and had 2" armour.

And i take it that the 77mm gun was the 17pdr variant used on the Comet?

 Listy, on 04 May 2012 - 09:24 PM, said:

I did not know that all their material got split up, interesting info there Listy, a fountain of knowledge you are! It would be pretty interesting to see some actual specs (or at least ideas) rather than internet conjecture
Edited by 2dme, 04 May 2012 - 10:07 PM.

A46 [would have] had a 3" glacis plate, IIRC FV-301 had 2" plate because it needed to shed weight (yet was still 7 tons heavier) the only real conclusion I can reach with regards to a British tier IV lights would be to have Tetrarch at tier III and 3" CS Tetrarch at tier IV in a similar vein to M5 and just give up on Mk.VIII

 BlueRequiem, on 04 May 2012 - 11:28 PM, said:

Tetrach will probably be Tier 2, its current position as a premium, and the Harry Hopkins would be in Tier 3, as per the pre-alpha tech tree. AFAIK the Tetrarch 1 CS had a 3" gun in place of the 2pdr and that was its only modification, some others were fitted with the modified Littlejohn 2pdr, but thats about it. Its probably not worth adding as a separate tank, especially at tier 4.

 2dme, on 05 May 2012 - 09:07 PM, said:

It's certainly an awkward and unlikely scenario, it was just the only way I could squeeze anything into tier IV

Ding! Idea!

T2: Tetarch
T3: Harry Hopkins
T4: Stuart VI as stock, upgradeable to Stuart VI Jalopy (Making it the ultimate scout).
T5: A46 Upgradeable to FV301

Now why would I call the Jalopy the "ultimate scout"? Well in Game it would be Low, high camo, high speed, high Power to weight ratio, and good cross country ability. Equally as its "turret" would be nothing more than a pintle .50 it can stick that over a hill with out fear of it getting shot off.
It pays for it by having the worst firepower in game for its tier. A Tier 1 gun on a T4 light.

 Listy, on 07 May 2012 - 10:49 AM, said:

So this would be the Stuart VI (M5 with the M3A1 turret) as stock, with the 'upgrade' as removal of the turret? Wouldn't this require 2 completely different models for the same tank? Swapping turret models around for upgrades is one thing, but removing it completely would surely add some complications...

Then again, it would be pretty fun, the loss of all that turret weight should increase acceleration somewhat...
And you can make pew pew pea shooter noises!