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 The_Challenger, on 18 May 2013 - 05:44 PM, said:

I know that but I think this fault is from older type of tanks, luckily.

 Sotahullu, on 18 May 2013 - 05:26 AM, said:

 Sotahullu, on 18 May 2013 - 06:36 PM, said:

THe AFV 432 were made in the 1960's and the NBC systems worked no matter what it was doing 'officially'

Richard!

I just watched the fifth Tiger video on youtube, and I have a little remark: wasn't the trigger located on the traverse handwheel, rather than on the elevation handwheel?
Edited by piritskenyer, 20 May 2013 - 04:52 PM.

 piritskenyer, on 15 May 2013 - 04:59 PM, said:

Yeah, but co-axial of T-72 can still be used dismounted by crew. Seen it happen... Gunner and TC dismounted from tank, their overalls half way down, gunner holding the PKT and commander firing it by pressing thumb tabs on trigger coil. Hey, tank was supposed to have lost a track to mine, so what were they supposed to do... :D

 piritskenyer, on 20 May 2013 - 04:34 PM, said:

Hi mate, no the trigger is on the elevation handwheel.The trigger was designed to be easily used while elevating the gun. It was a standard German design; an electric primer switch, powered by the tank's main 12V batteries.

Under "Exterior -> Emblem -> Military" i can choose the skull with the wrenches.



Any idea what military unit used that symbol?

These things I have found so far, but none matched:

• The C.B's (US Construction Battalion) (later called SeaBees) used a bee with a gun and sometimes a wrench or other tools in it'S additional hands. So no skull.
  
• The Waffen SS had the "Totenkopf-Division". It's emblem was a skull without any wrenches.
  
• Lots of units in the US military have a skull in their emblem: http://en.wikipedia....ones_(military) But none additional wrenches.

 Zirakss, on 21 May 2013 - 05:54 AM, said:

In the British Army (Armoured Corp) the 17th/21st Lancers have the skull and crossbones as their emblem:
http://www.whartonmi...y&item=BBAC0005
Edited by smith841, 21 May 2013 - 11:56 AM.

 smith841, on 21 May 2013 - 11:56 AM, said:

Nice to know but that emblem has no wrenches.

I searched futher and found a lot of other units using a skull:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totenkopf
But none of them had any wrenches in it.

 Zirakss, on 21 May 2013 - 04:06 PM, said:

Agreed, many have the skull but no spanners/wrenches and I have never come across before   So I have asked the Devs- Waiting for reply  

 The_Challenger, on 22 May 2013 - 10:47 AM, said:

Thanks a lot for your help! I am genuinely curious to read what they tell you.
Edited by Zirakss, Yesterday, 12:20 AM.

I had the idea this sign may be of US origin. They have a lot of skulls on their emblems of various military units. So I asked in the US forum of world of tanks.

I will citate here some of these very infomative answers I got so far:

From apache664:
Wrenches are normally associated with mechanical repair units. Some units that i have seen use emblems like that where mechanized mechanics attached directly to a heavy mechanized combat unit.
i.e. M88 crews (tank recovery vehicles)
http://en.wikipedia....ecovery_Vehicle

"The wrenches, symbolic of the maintenance mission"
http://www.tioh.hqda...nit.aspx?u=4584
A symbol like that would have been spotted inside a maintenance shop or on a repair/recovery vechicle, I have seen similar crude paintings in many repair facilities stateside and oversea's.


From Cmd_Storm:
I never came across that emblem in the US Army or any units I saw in either sandbox.

I did used to see symbols similar to it on individual vehicles that were ruined and slated for salvage. But we are talking crude spray paint, not an emblem or official colors etc.

More as a marking for what to keep and what to throw away after the battles. But then all of us Soldiers saw tons of graffiti on ruined vehicles.

It does have the makings of a Combat Engineer`s or similar unit. I will ask my father and grandfather as they know almost every Patch and banner out there.


From icoleman:


- and most of the emblems in wot are made up, some based off of other things, some just...pure fake.


This is not the offical unit emblem. It's an "unoffical" decoration of the 27th Brigade Support Battalion (5-82 FA) of the ghostriders. The user rrobilla51 found their newsletter.

Looks pretty close for me.


From Necrophore:
The skull and wrenches is also used by Harley-Davidson (google up "stenskull").


To my post:
"The question is, has this emblem a historic military pattern?"

Shrike58 answered:
I'd bet good money that the answer is no.

See below for the official site for U.S. military insignia:
http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/


From Oxcide_7:
Official military historic emblem, no. Emblems have to be approved by the Department of defense before they are "Official", the skull and cross wrenches are used in many BSB's, and FSC's (Forward Support Companies) more so in an FSC as they are directly attached to the combat units in a Brigade Combat Team (BCT) many times co-located on what would be a "front line" or as front as a line can be in asymmetrical warfare. This is where you will find a lot of your M88A1, and M88A2 Hercules crews in the Armor Brigade Combat Teams. The CRT (Combat Recovery Team) will use this emblem a lot, or at least we do



As so far I guess we can say it's an unofficial but used military emblem. It is mostly used by CRT (Combat Recovery Teams) and other mechanical support units.

Thanks a lot for your help!
Edited by Zirakss, Yesterday, 07:25 PM.