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The_Challenger #1821 Posted 21 November 2014 - 02:25 PM

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View Postsmith841, on 18 November 2014 - 03:29 PM, said:

 

- Not sure whether the gunner's cry when he presses the trigger would go down well at Lulworth :)

- The film does give you a good idea of how close a tank crew can become as comrades...both in and out of the vehicle. Whenever I meet up with lads that I served with 30 years ago, we chat as if we had last seen each other yesterday.

- Not sure about how Brad Pitt looked after 2 hand grenades had exploded in the turret. Hardly a scratch on his dead body. Mmmm

Hahaha fair enough,,, especially the verbals lol,,, :sad:



Michail_Koschkin #1822 Posted 05 January 2015 - 01:27 PM

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Hello,

I read your essay about the Prochorovka Battle. Now I don't know if it came to your attention, that the german Translation is far from perfection.

The orthography is poor and some parts are hard to understand or contradictory. I guess there are many people willing to fix that if you permit it.

 

I'm shure possible dispute about the content had taken place, thoug I didn't recognized it. But let me say some things on that too.

That the so called myth of the Battle is at first result of soviet propaganda is not pointed out clearly in my opinion. Yes both sides made propaganda on this, but the generally peddled post war version of nearly 1000 tanks fighting in melee, while the outgunned but brave soviet tank crews wrestled down some 400 german tanks within hours, was the one of the soviets. 

Beside the fact that truth will never fully occure on any battle, it seems to me that there are to much things lost or "fogged" in the attempt to balance the text. You tried to figure out the rise of the myth, but at the end there is a lack of current standing of history in your text. 

 

After the soviet archives (not the SS ones as you wrote) were opened in the late 1980th it became clear, that there were no heavy german losses at Prochorovka. The german sources always said that but (perhaps because it was the more epic) the soviet version keeped to be trusted until it became obvious even out of soviet documents that it was pure propaganda.

You slightly touched that problem, but at the end you could and should have lifted the myth a bit more than you actualy did.

The not-myth of Prochorovka was that it brought catastrophical losses only to soviet tankforces, caused by bad leadership (and at a good part by german Airplanes what is missing too). This failure was glossed over and turned into the opposite. That is no longer a matter of some historians said this an others that.

 

I haven't read your original Text, but only the translation. If you found my criticism unreasonable it may indicate that the translation is even worse.

 

Never the less thanks for your work.

Werner

 

 

 


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The_Challenger #1823 Posted 10 January 2015 - 03:47 PM

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View PostMichail_Koschkin, on 05 January 2015 - 12:27 PM, said:

Hello,

I read your essay about the Prochorovka Battle. Now I don't know if it came to your attention, that the german Translation is far from perfection.

The orthography is poor and some parts are hard to understand or contradictory. I guess there are many people willing to fix that if you permit it.

 

I'm shure possible dispute about the content had taken place, thoug I didn't recognized it. But let me say some things on that too.

That the so called myth of the Battle is at first result of soviet propaganda is not pointed out clearly in my opinion. Yes both sides made propaganda on this, but the generally peddled post war version of nearly 1000 tanks fighting in melee, while the outgunned but brave soviet tank crews wrestled down some 400 german tanks within hours, was the one of the soviets. 

Beside the fact that truth will never fully occure on any battle, it seems to me that there are to much things lost or "fogged" in the attempt to balance the text. You tried to figure out the rise of the myth, but at the end there is a lack of current standing of history in your text. 

 

After the soviet archives (not the SS ones as you wrote) were opened in the late 1980th it became clear, that there were no heavy german losses at Prochorovka. The german sources always said that but (perhaps because it was the more epic) the soviet version keeped to be trusted until it became obvious even out of soviet documents that it was pure propaganda.

You slightly touched that problem, but at the end you could and should have lifted the myth a bit more than you actualy did.

The not-myth of Prochorovka was that it brought catastrophical losses only to soviet tankforces, caused by bad leadership (and at a good part by german Airplanes what is missing too). This failure was glossed over and turned into the opposite. That is no longer a matter of some historians said this an others that.

 

I haven't read your original Text, but only the translation. If you found my criticism unreasonable it may indicate that the translation is even worse.

 

Never the less thanks for your work.

Werner

 

 

 

 

Hi, not sure if i totally understand all your comments but as far as translation is concerned yes sometimes it can be an issue, misinterpretation and the like. I think maybe it is a translation issue here because yes i agree with the majority of your comments, the aim was to raise questions and it was a view (mine) that i was putting across. Like most things in history much has been clouded along the way or in some cases just obviously mis-repeated and logged. 

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Thanks for your reply.

As I mentioned the translation has some difficulties. But I don't want do nag, so I tried to do some improvement work of my own.

If you tell me how, I would gladly send it to you.

Thoug I'm no translator (and as you have seen my English is not the best), I did no new translation, but try to fix spelling, grammar and some contradictions or ambiguities of the german text.

Perhaps it might be further away of what you originally wrote, so I won't be upset if you don't find it appropriate.

 



GoldMountain #1825 Posted 05 April 2015 - 10:59 PM

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Hey challenger,

Just wondering if you know who officially operates the Radio in the Chieftain?



The_Challenger #1826 Posted 06 April 2015 - 09:09 AM

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View PostCelestia, on 05 April 2015 - 09:59 PM, said:

Hey challenger,

Just wondering if you know who officially operates the Radio in the Chieftain?

 

Hi mate, the loader is officially the radio operator ie so changes frequency and so on. On Chieftain the radios are located his side. But of course the Commander tends to be the crew member who uses the radio most frequently.



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View PostThe_Challenger, on 06 April 2015 - 09:09 AM, said:

 

Hi mate, the loader is officially the radio operator ie so changes frequency and so on. On Chieftain the radios are located his side. But of course the Commander tends to be the crew member who uses the radio most frequently.

 

Are you really an old sweat Richard? Recognise this?



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View Postsmith841, on 30 April 2015 - 01:24 PM, said:

 

Are you really an old sweat Richard? Recognise this?

 

 

Cikey mate Larkspur isnt it ? No not that old was a Clansman Man ..

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My Sqn's fitter section 434 still had Larkspur intercom system in it and not clansman radios in 1985. 

 

I was using Clansman in 1980 while in the ACF (with my local TA) and was taught Mapco and Slidex, I left as Bowman was being introduced they decided I did not have enough time left to learn it as I was in my last 12 months even though one of my trades was Combat Sig (post tour leave, gardening leave, re-settlement etc etc)



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View PostThe_Challenger, on 30 April 2015 - 11:49 PM, said:

 

Cikey mate Larkspur isnt it ? No not that old was a Clansman Man ..

 

Larkspur C42 VHF radio. Standard issue in most AFV's until replaced by Clansman. We had them in Assault Troop on 432's (we were an Armoured Recce Regt. at the time) in the late 70's while the rest of the Sqn had Scorpion/Scimitar. Not sure whether they had got Clansman by then. Of course later in the mid- eighties on Chieftain/Chally 1 it was all Clansman. "Hello all stations this is Zero, tune antenna's, out"

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Can I check with you Richard. Was the chieftain a mantlet-less turret or did it have a small Internal mantlet?

 

I have always believed it to be without a mantlet but someone quoted David Fletcher calling it an internal.



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Crikey mate Larkspur isnt it ? No not that old was a Clansman Man

 

Huh - kids nowadays, they've got it all too easy.

 

To tune the Larkspur radios in our Series III Landrover Battery Command Post (as you might imagine, very palatial and loadsa room) you had to fiddle with the radios in the back and get the best return, then, fight your away round to the TUAMS on the front (with 58 pattern webbing, an SLR and a very 'hungry' camm net) then [edited]about with them.

 

Given that it was night, a howling Otterburn gale, the camm poles had collapsed and the net was roaming free, it was not a task to be relished and always given to the youngest CP Ack - which at that time was me. I think that was the start of my love hate relationship with camm nets - loved to leave them back at the drill hall, hated to deploy them.


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View PostTrailApe, on 13 May 2015 - 12:01 PM, said:

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Crikey mate Larkspur isnt it ? No not that old was a Clansman Man

 

Huh - kids nowadays, they've got it all too easy.

 

To tune the Larkspur radios in our Series III Landrover Battery Command Post (as you might imagine, very palatial and loadsa room) you had to fiddle with the radios in the back and get the best return, then, fight your away round to the TUAMS on the front (with 58 pattern webbing, an SLR and a very 'hungry' camm net) then [edited]about with them.

 

Given that it was night, a howling Otterburn gale, the camm poles had collapsed and the net was roaming free, it was not a task to be relished and always given to the youngest CP Ack - which at that time was me. I think that was the start of my love hate relationship with camm nets - loved to leave them back at the drill hall, hated to deploy them.

 

Regarding the camnet...we have all been there m8. If you want to trigger a squaddie into a swearing rage just order him to put the camnet up :)

 



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Like Richard, I am a tank crew veteran of 2nd Royal Tank Regiment (2RTR), Royal Armoured Corps, British Army. 2RTR can trace its military ancestory right back to the dawn of tank warfare. Early in May 2015 I spent 3 days walking the battlefield those ancestors drove their tanks on during the Battle of Cambrai (20th November, 1917). This was the first mass tank attack in history. Based on that visit I have made a 7 episode Youtube series. I invite you all to take a look. Thanks in advance. Fear Naught.

 


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View Postsmith841, on 02 June 2015 - 02:23 PM, said:

Like Richard, I am a tank crew veteran of 2nd Royal Tank Regiment (2RTR), Royal Armoured Corps, British Army. 2RTR can trace its military ancestory right back to the dawn of tank warfare. Early in May 2015 I spent 3 days walking the battlefield those ancestors drove their tanks on during the Battle of Cambrai (20th November, 1917). This was the first mass tank attack in history. Based on that visit I have made a 7 episode Youtube series. I invite you all to take a look. Thanks in advance. Fear Naught.

 

Great stuff, very informative



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View Postsmith841, on 26 May 2015 - 07:10 PM, said:

 

Regarding the camnet...we have all been there m8. If you want to trigger a squaddie into a swearing rage just order him to put the camnet up :)

 

Or is it, buttons repeadily getting caught on the net, as you lower it, having gone from 1hrs notice to move, to crashing out...

Kids these days dont know how lucky they are... LOL

i can remember when i 1st got some mushrooms +poles, its was about my 8th year, without them.

With only bits of skinny trees to use, that wed saved from being "tidied" after the previous ex.

 

Thx for sharing the vid



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hello friends. i am working in artyllery in real life.yes you can call me clicker :)  really enjoy to play wot... mr Challenger if you want i be glad to offer my knowlege from real tanks to help making this game better.

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hello friends. 

Edited by morganakis_gr, 22 August 2015 - 08:34 AM.


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View Postmorganakis_gr, on 21 August 2015 - 09:45 PM, said:

hello friends. i am working in artyllery in real life.yes you can call me clicker :)  really enjoy to play wot... mr Challenger if you want i be glad to offer my knowlege from real tanks to help making this game better.

 

Greeting to you, always nice to have another veteran on board, :)

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Rifled or smooth-bore ? A lengthy debate online last night with a group of Gunnery Instructors...... I would love to hear your opinions. 




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