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What equipment do you use on the IS-4?

  1. Enhanced Gun Laying Driver (310 votes [11.66%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.66%

  2. Vertical Stabilizer Mk 2 (570 votes [21.44%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.44%

  3. Coated Optics (42 votes [1.58%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.58%

  4. Fill Tanks with CO2 (4 votes [0.15%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.15%

  5. Large Caliber Tank Gun Rammer (813 votes [30.59%])

    Percentage of vote: 30.59%

  6. "Wet" Ammo Rack Class 2 (18 votes [0.68%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.68%

  7. Improved Ventilation Class 3 (661 votes [24.87%])

    Percentage of vote: 24.87%

  8. Large Spall Liner (103 votes [3.88%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.88%

  9. Enhanced Torsion Bars 5+t Class (7 votes [0.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.26%

  10. Cyclone Filter (5 votes [0.19%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.19%

  11. Toolbox (52 votes [1.96%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.96%

  12. Binocular Teslescope (25 votes [0.94%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.94%

  13. Camouflage Net (35 votes [1.32%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.32%

  14. Nothing (13 votes [0.49%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.49%

What Consumables do you use on the IS-4?

  1. Extra Combat Rations (25 votes [0.94%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.94%

  2. Automatic Fire Extinguishers (160 votes [5.99%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.99%

  3. Large First Aid Kit (67 votes [2.51%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.51%

  4. Large Repair Kit (76 votes [2.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.85%

  5. Removed Speed Governor (39 votes [1.46%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.46%

  6. Lend-Lease Oil (32 votes [1.20%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.20%

  7. Small First Aid Kit (808 votes [30.27%])

    Percentage of vote: 30.27%

  8. Small Repair Kit (817 votes [30.61%])

    Percentage of vote: 30.61%

  9. Manual Fire Extinguishers (645 votes [24.17%])

    Percentage of vote: 24.17%

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Injector_X #61 Posted 09 May 2012 - 01:34 AM

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View PostRoebuck34, on 08 May 2012 - 05:29 PM, said:

f*ck this sh!t! it can now pen my MAUS with out even fucking aiming GJ FECKING JOB WG im so f*cking sad it can now pen every thing with out even aiming so god damn tired of this BIAS! it can now pen my hull down type >_>

Really l2p and,Type 59 got long ago +1 MM tier, so it will half the time have to fight Tier 9 and tier 10 tanks too, plus T110E5 could do the same thing to your Type 59 and even better, actually almost any tank can do it if they aim at your commanders hatch. Type 59 is no T-54 by far. Even T-44 is way much better tank. Type 59 is just money maker for players and for WG, nothing more, you should not compare premium tanks to normal ones even, since they are designed to be slightly worse than their same tier counterparts "real" tanks usually.

View PostUloke, on 08 May 2012 - 02:48 PM, said:

I just love it even more now, its a genius tank because of the heavy side armour, and i had it maxed out so all the sudden i had a tier X, and a IS 8 with a 100% crew. win win lucky little me hehe

This what really annoys me, nothing towards the OP but towards WG, but now since almost everyone got IS-8s & IS-4s and now the game is flooded with them and half of them who own them now just fastgrinded IS-4 tier 9 to get a free tier 10 tank and new tier 9 tank. This is ruining balance and fun for some people (when your team dies because of some players not knowing fully how to play their new and free tanks).
So thanks WG, even your nice "gifts" (to make more money) that you put Type 59 back into sale, resulted once again in some matches the enemy side had like 5-7 Type 59s. Not even funny, i can understand the frustration and maybe some anger from players who did not grind them, but when the dust has settled and people have learned where to shoot them and how to kill them, they wont pose a threat. IS-7 & T110E5 are far more dangerous tank than IS-4 in skilled hands or E-75 and M103 in tier 9 category.

PS. To those who are too worried, i killed like 3 IS-8s with a T-54 in a single game, so they are no problem (they actually bounced from my front armor a lot and i penetrated them 100% of the time from front with AP) its like the French tanks were at first. When you will learn to deal with them, they will present no problem. Even AMX 13 75 can penetrate IS-8s front armor with AP.
I suggest going for (tier 9-10) tanks like the T-54, E-50, BatChat, E-75, VK4502 ausf B, Patton, M103, MAUS, T110E5 and IS-7. (AMX50 100 and King Tiger are good tier 8 tanks)

Panocek #62 Posted 09 May 2012 - 05:14 AM

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I find tank to be... effective and lethal. Front armour is weakspot indeed, but with quite fat sides and "corners" it can be angled very effectively. Gun, for soviet standards have outstanding accuracy and aim time, when combined with GLD+V.Stab+Rammer and both "accuracy" skills for gunner and driver, its gets wtf precise. Mobility is ok and when downhill is fast enough.


Crew (from old IS-4)
6th sense/JoaT/mentor
Snap Shot/Designated Target/repairs
Smooth Ride/Off road/repairs
Safe Stowage/Adrenaline/repairs

Works good so far.

JohnDask #63 Posted 09 May 2012 - 08:08 AM

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Does anyone know what armor has the driver's hatch of IS-4? I used long 88 to shoot this hatch at 90o angle and only 1 out of 4 shots penetrated it. It seems to have received huge buff.

Panocek #64 Posted 09 May 2012 - 08:27 AM

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160mm -> 200mm on driver's hatch.

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I'm still on the fence over the effectiveness of the IS-4 as a Tier 10. The gun is without a shadow of a doubt excellent and the frontal armor has indeed been ninja-buffed immensly (i am getting bounces and bounced on others that would have been unimaginable before), but on 2400HP i feel it's barely that big of an improvement over the IS-7 when it comes to being a Tier 10, and the IS-8 gives all the same thrills of having an awesome gun without the spills of a slow vehicle. Besides the frontal armor buff and the change of firepower i feel the IS-4 is well...   the same, really.

But i guess with the other vehicles with massive obvious and easy-to-hit frontal weakspots around (Maus, E-100, AMX 50B, T110E5) i think it actually fits in quite nicely. I still believe the IS-7 is better because it's simply that much faster and heavily armored that the difference in guns is less important, but the IS-4 is not out of place as a Tier 10 :)

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New IS-4 to tier X is a failed project. It is supposed to be slow and armored and leave the fast and agile role for the IS-7. Well it is armored in an unexplained fashion (less armor in front) and the gun has less damage than the IS-7. I don't think we will see IS-4 in CW since it can't take up the mini maus role it was supposed to have when it would move to tier X.

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View PostCapamaru, on 09 May 2012 - 08:31 AM, said:

New IS-4 to tier X is a failed project. It is supposed to be slow and armored and leave the fast and agile role for the IS-7. Well it is armored in an unexplained fashion (less armor in front) and the gun has less damage than the IS-7. I don't think we will see IS-4 in CW since it can't take up the mini maus role it was supposed to have when it would move to tier X.
Oh do not worry about seeing IS-4's in CW's, the 400mm gold ammo penetration ALONE will ensure it a role in CW's....

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For the love of god please people, don't drive your IS-4 with stock gun research it on the IS-8, driving around with a tier x with 175 penetration really fucks up your teams chances to win the battle.

SirWili #69 Posted 09 May 2012 - 09:21 AM

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View PostZdrif, on 08 May 2012 - 09:08 PM, said:

By the why the thingy on the rear right of the new model(probably fuel tank) looks like some piece of wood ...

It is wood, it´s used when they have to repair the tracks or when the tank is stuck on mud...

Kalann #70 Posted 09 May 2012 - 09:24 AM

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View PostRoebuck34, on 08 May 2012 - 05:29 PM, said:

f*ck this sh!t! it can now pen my MAUS with out even fucking aiming GJ FECKING JOB WG im so f*cking sad it can now pen every thing with out even aiming so god damn tired of this BIAS! it can now pen my hull down type >_>

If you think anything can penetrate your Maus without aiming, then you aint playing the Maus right. the Maus like anything has weak points, i suggest you learn to minimise them

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400mm of non-normalized HEAT...

hint:
E-100 glacis = 200@60 degrees = 200/cos(60)=400mm, same amount to punch through for HEAT
8 degree normalisation lowers effective armour to 325mm, APCR most likely have 10+ normalisation. So 311mm and below.


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View PostPanocek, on 09 May 2012 - 09:29 AM, said:

400mm of non-normalized HEAT...

hint:
E-100 glacis = 200@60 degrees = 200/cos(60)=400mm, same amount to punch through for HEAT
8 degree normalisation lowers effective armour to 325mm, APCR most likely have 10+ normalisation. So 311mm and below.


Where is you god now?
IS-4 has 400mm penetration with HEAT.
IS-7 has 303mm penetration with APCR.
Maus has 311mm penetration with APCR.
E-100 has 334mm penetration with HEAT.
T110E5 has 381mm penetration with HEAT.
AMX 50B has 351mm penetration with APCR (iirc).

So in all cases the IS-4 comes out best besides the AMX 50B, but concidering the AMX 50B has no staying power at all, IS-4 still comes out best.

Edited by Ascender, 09 May 2012 - 09:33 AM.


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View PostAscender, on 09 May 2012 - 09:30 AM, said:

IS-4 has 400mm penetration with HEAT.
IS-7 has 303mm penetration with APCR.
Maus has 311mm penetration with APCR.
E-100 has 334mm penetration with HEAT.
T110E5 has 381mm penetration with HEAT.
AMX 50B has 351mm penetration with APCR (iirc).

So in all cases the IS-4 comes out best besides the AMX 50B, but concidering the AMX 50B has no staying power at all, IS-4 still comes out best.

Umm, JT/50/120/50B comes out best. The best penetration with APCR shells.
HEAT shells fails against angled plates, and find me tank, that have 300mm FLAT armour.

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T95. Now where's my cookie?

Nah but srsly, find me a same situation then where a JT or AMX 50 can hold a flank on their own for any ammount of time, IS-4 has the low profile and some armor with good HP to go with the gun. The other vehicles all have their same qualities, but on simple penetrationwise, 400mm is a huge number, and nothing besides mad slope is going to negate that.

I recall 1 random when i was still playing Maus, death alley in Himmelsdorf versus 2 T110's, one using HEAT one using AP. The one using heat kept bouncing my side hull at a very sharp angle (not a single gun known in game would penetrate it, 180mm @ ~75 degrees+) but did penetrate my side skirts all the time (105mm spaced + tracks + 80mm inner) without penetrating the actual hull, it's still not a bounce, and still penetrating 105mm at a very sharp angle...  managed to hit my front turret about 2 times with obvious results.

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300mm around gun mantle, like in o704.

I'm not saying JT/50b can stop enemies long enough. IS-4 here wins just because of 2400hp and more reliable armour. Just don't fap too hard when you see 400mm HEAT, as my clanmates tested 50b gold filled vs Maus. Well... "bounces" started to happen at 400m and further, aganist heavy sidescraping Maus. Anything closer and Maus turns into cheese. It doesn't matter its glacis, gun mantle, turret @ 35-like degrees.

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View PostPanocek, on 09 May 2012 - 10:12 AM, said:

300mm around gun mantle, like in o704.

I'm not saying JT/50b can stop enemies long enough. IS-4 here wins just because of 2400hp and more reliable armour. Just don't fap too hard when you see 400mm HEAT, as my clanmates tested 50b gold filled vs Maus. Well... "bounces" started to happen at 400m and further, aganist heavy sidescraping Maus. Anything closer and Maus turns into cheese. It doesn't matter its glacis, gun mantle, turret @ 35-like degrees.
Not fapping over it, merely stating it's THE reason to get the IS-4 nowadays generally. Personally i couldn't care less about any of it because i don't use gold ammo anyways (all randoms) but 400mm is just the highest raw penetration. Just like the KT has 'raw' armor in the form of it's upper hull as opposed to the situationally superior or inferior armor found on the IS-3, and it has both strengths and weaknesses.

What the IS-4 does is take arguably the second best heavy tank gun available and slaps it on a heavy tank that can get around, stand it's ground and has reasonably survivability. But above all, it's the gun.

Edited by Ascender, 09 May 2012 - 10:24 AM.


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I know what you mean. 400mm is still 400mm, but still I'm more concerned about high pen APCR, as these can prove themselves worthy against extreme cases of angling.

Time will tell how it work in CW.

Edited by Panocek, 09 May 2012 - 10:27 AM.


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It is still to early for me to speak a lot about IS-4 as it is now. I just have not had time to play it that much. For now I think it is good tank. I need some getting use to time. It just feels different then before.

I am bit disappointed about what they have said IS-4 will be and what it became. I have hopped, as many others, for Russian mini-Maus. This is not it really.

On other hand it feels good. Funny thing is when you catch your self driving fast with it :)
Usually you hit pedal to the metal and go to get coffee. Now it is like WTF I drive 40 KM/h!!??? Sure those occasions are rare but still funny feeling. Like you play many hundreds of games and you learn to be patient with it's acceleration and speed and suddenly wow you are faster then you are use to. 2400 HP is definitively good number. Armor is not bad, not bad at all :) but you need to adjust your self to maximize WTF effect. Gun is good but I'm out of rhythm with it still.

Although in this limited amount of games played in 7.3 (played with all my tanks) I see thing that I was kinda afraid off.
Remember 7.2 launch? Everyone and their mum's in T110E5, T34 and M103? Way more Tier X and Tier IX tanks and games with 5x T34's on each side? Now I see similar thing just with IS-4 and IS-8.

Just before 7.3 so many people in IS-4 have had stock turret and BL-9. Many of them just rushed IS-3 to come to IS-4 to get their first Tier X tank with 7.3. So lot of Tier X tanks are played by IS-3 players actually. They are Tier VIII drivers. Sure there are people who have had high tier tanks in other nations and are experienced drivers and now have used this occasion to get decent tanks with decent guns. Still there are lot of people who are not really up to task and up to their tank playing Tier X now. I hope they become better soon. Hate to stay alone vs 8 tanks.

Yesterday Tier X and Tier IX matches where so full with high tier tanks. Like 5 Tier X tanks per side. At least twice more then usually. Same with Tier IX tanks. Lot of IS-8's. And then from them a lot of questionable skilled drivers with bad mouth and full of frustration. I guess they all have though I get this new tank and then I need no skill to kill all. So many suicide drivers with IS-4 now. Pity that new tanks have such a high penetration but no penetration/win guarantee (irony). Or at least button destroy this tank that I hold my mouse cursor on(another one).

Many players are afraid from those new tanks and their guns but once they notice that they can kill those new tanks hype will be over. Good player will win in worse tank I'm pretty sure. So once everyone can and knows how to kill new tanks, and knows all weak spots this hype will be over.

Gun? Duno, I love S70. It is not a S70. It is definitively good gun. I would give RoF for more Alpha. Although then it would be way to OP. Penetration is awesome till you start experimenting can you penetrate other places but weak spots. With standard AP shells you penetrate almost same as with S70. That means S70 is already that good. If you try to penetrate things that S70 can not you might find that it is to much for this gun to. It is not a BL-10 and even BL-10 can not penetrate all. I am not that crazy over HEAT ammo regarding to normalization. Not sure is it that usable although 400mm sounds fantastic.
This much more penetration with AP just gives you some more slack when choosing angle when you shoot weak spots. It does not give you magic power to penetrate with bad shots or power to penetrate anything but weak spots on top tier tanks. It will penetrate some things that where kinda hard on lower tier tanks. Accuracy is welcome.

I'm pretty much in sync with S70 and KwK 128. I know when to move to have reloaded gun at moment when I am on edge to peak out. With this gun you have higher RoF and in theory it is better (due more theoretical DPM and ability to damage more different targets in same time) but in some situations it means nothing. Clever opponent just waits that he reloads in cover so you will play with his tempo. If you come around to much to use your reloaded gun you will be empty and backing off when he gets reloaded. You will be exposed longer time. So in some situation higher RoF is not kinda useless. Alpha was/is/will be King of Peak-a-boo. This makes this gun support gun, low tier killa brute. Accuracy + small size makes IS-4 OK sniper actually. Strange role for tank that use to be excellent brawler.

Version 7.3 did also another thing that I was thinking it might do. I just do not feel any drive to play with German tanks anymore.
I ding with Loewe way more now (not that Loewe gun was nerfed but some tanks are harder now and Loewe gun is on edge of penetrating weak spots). E75 is kinda useless now. Just got brand new JT (still stock gun) and I loved it always. I was more excited of getting it then getting a IS-8. Now It does not feel that special at all :(. Everyone is penetrating me. I wanted effect I have seen so many times before. JT driver killing all around while 6 noobs are dinging on it. Now it is like WTF? M103, T110E5, IS-8 and IS-4 around you and everyone penetrates. Not to mention other TD's that penetrate everything.
I know JT is good TD and that it is me with my noobness and absence of Top gun, but good part is coming from so many guns that can penetrate so easy/good even hard nuts as JT was/is.
PaK 128 and KwK are simple said not on par with all new guns. They where always worse then S70 and it was a gun for a skilled drivers only.
Now with new generation of guns even people that shoot kinda bad still do damage with pretty high percentage. You can not call your shots with German Tier X guns. I can call it with S70, Long 105 (KT and Loewe versions) as well as with Long 88. Although I have not mastered best tactics with new 122mm I can call every shot. With new 122mm I miss rarely. I miss some long shots or when someone moves in shell flight when you are presented with just edge of a tank. Accuracy is almost on level of KT long 105. Loewe is still more precise at least I feel it so. KwK 128 mm is so shitty, PaK 128mm has at least better accuracy and has decent RoF. KwK 128 has only good Alpha making it close distance tank.


BTW Somehow IS-7 just feels better to me, disregarding about how really IS-7 is or/and disregarding what stands on paper.

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Soviet mini Maus... Considering how crappy Maus is nowadays, I'd NOT want IS-4 to become "mini Maus". Side armour is not really thinner than Maus, magic tracks are magic, from the front, there are two not so big weakspots, reasonably easy to hide. Turret is tough with weakspots visible only when facehugging.

And mobility, IS-4 sits in whole different dimension than Maus.

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the IS-4 is now the tank I always wanted it to be, Hp buff and a great gun, good job WG :)




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