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Listy #1 Posted 17 May 2012 - 05:17 PM

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So been doing some reserch and I found a couple of new light tanks to throw into the mix. To be honest I suspect that these will not be in game, and the layout (Tetarch> Harry hopkins> A-46>FV301) as Posted elsewhere is most likely.

However! it'd be kinda cool to go with this idea:
Tetarch> Harry Hopkins> A-46> TV15000

TV15000? Whats one of those I hear you cry, well:
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Its the test vechile that became the CVR(T). So its not quite a CVR(T). Date wise is the big sticking point. 1965, but the French get a tank from 1966... 76mm gun or 30mm three round burst autocannon, sounds like a winner to me!

If you want something earlier than that? How about the TV1000 Rhino, from 1960.
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Yes those round things are wheels. But as you can see the Rhino was also fitted with tracks:
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Originally it was desgined to carry two differnt guns, 105mm and 76mm in a turret that wouldn't fully rotate. The reason why it wouldn't rotate was because it had mounts for Swingfires at the rear of the hull. No missiles in this game, so remvoe the Swingfires, and you get a full 360.

I know, the TV15000 is a wild dream. But it is one I'd love to see. A way of getting everyones favourite CVR(T) into the game.

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that would be so cool (either)

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View PostListy, on 17 May 2012 - 05:17 PM, said:

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Droooooool :Smile_ohmy:


Listy #4 Posted 17 May 2012 - 05:29 PM

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View PostSystemSound, on 17 May 2012 - 05:25 PM, said:

Drool

Yeah, I'd never heard about it until three weeks ago, then I saw a picture as I was looking through the National records office files. Funny how most people I've mentioned it too have said "CVR(T) in all but name? Yes please!"

More "Not quite a CVR(T)" porn here.

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View PostListy, on 17 May 2012 - 05:29 PM, said:

Yeah, I'd never heard about it until three weeks ago, then I saw a picture as I was looking through the National records office files. Funny how most people I've mentioned it too have said "CVR(T) in all but name? Yes please!"

More "Not quite a CVR(T)" porn here.
I dont know why, but this tank looks awesome. Its small, so that means its light and means it could be a good scout :Smile-playing:

saml6131 #6 Posted 17 May 2012 - 05:58 PM

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Is it me or does the TV15000 looks like a prototype of the FV101/7 Scorpion/Scimitar?
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View Postsaml6131, on 17 May 2012 - 05:58 PM, said:

Is it me or does the TV15000 looks like a prototype of the FV101/7 Scorpion/Scimitar?
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Err did you read my post?
At all?
In any way shape or form?
:Smile_veryhappy:

Edited by Listy, 17 May 2012 - 06:05 PM.


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View PostListy, on 17 May 2012 - 06:05 PM, said:

Err did you read my post?
At all?
In any way shape or form?
:Smile_veryhappy:
Yes, it said nothing about the tanks in his post, and you had to click on the link you posted after, the one with a terrible name that implied only pictures and wasting his time, to get the answer.

However, the French branch has a tank from 1966? Nope, the AMX 13 90 is still from the early 50's, and the 90mm gun is the original 75mm, but re-bored, hardly 60's technology.

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View PostExocet6951, on 17 May 2012 - 06:59 PM, said:

Yes, it said nothing about the tanks in his post, and you had to click on the link you posted after, the one with a terrible name that implied only pictures and wasting his time, to get the answer.

However, the French branch has a tank from 1966? Nope, the AMX 13 90 is still from the early 50's, and the 90mm gun is the original 75mm, but re-bored, hardly 60's technology.

A CVR(T) is what? :Smile-hiding:

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From 1966 the 75mm high-velocity gun was replaced by a 90 mm (the AMX-13/90) medium velocity gun firing more effective HEAT ammunition, with the French upgrading all existing base models to this specification.

Granted from Wiki, but still.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMX-13

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View PostListy, on 17 May 2012 - 06:05 PM, said:

Err did you read my post?
At all?
In any way shape or form?
:Smile_veryhappy:

Yes, I read it with my eyes' closed. :Smile_veryhappy:  but you didn't say the words 'Scorpion' or 'Scimitar'.


Anyway, it would make a good tier 5 scout for the Brits wouldn't it? After all, it is a reconaissance vehicle.

The Scorpion has 72kph, rivaling the M24 Chaffee as it has 23hp/ton giving it the worst acceleration out of the end tier 5 light tanks, but still pretty good acceleration, and it can always be upgraded with a better engine if WG would allow it.

The gun is a 76mm Low velocity gun, firing HE and possibly HESH rounds as premium. Another option is the 90mm gun that was made for the export market, but that would remove the main strength of the Chaffee, which was its gun.

And another option, which is my preference, could be the high velocity 30mm gun on the Scimitar, firing at 90 rounds per minute, slower than other auto cannons but the first one that may be of any use against higher tiers, as it should have high penetration. Due to caliber = damage, the damage per shot could should be around 30-40 damage giving it between 2700 - 3600 damage per minute. Sounds fun to me.

But you probably already thought of all this, eh Listy?

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View PostListy, on 17 May 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:

A CVR(T) is what? :Smile-hiding:
A different name than Scorpion and Scimitar.


View PostListy, on 17 May 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:

Granted from Wiki, but still.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMX-13
Again, a re-bored 75mm gun adapted from the Panther's gun isn't exactly cutting edge 60's tech,

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View Postsaml6131, on 17 May 2012 - 07:12 PM, said:


And another option, which is my preference, could be the high velocity 30mm gun on the Scimitar, firing at 90 rounds per minute, slower than other auto cannons but the first one that may be of any use against higher tiers, as it should have high penetration. Due to caliber = damage, the damage per shot could should be around 30-40 damage giving it between 2700 - 3600 damage per minute. Sounds fun to me.

But you probably already thought of all this, eh Listy?

Scimitar ? Rarden cannon ? :Smile-hiding:  If this will be implemented , then it a wish come true . I dreamed for a Scimitar or a Scorpion even ( prefer tbh the 30mm ) , but I am not sure it fits the time period . If this is a way of getting it , then you have just made my day :Smile_Default:

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View PostWarheart1992, on 17 May 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:

Scimitar ? Rarden cannon ? :Smile-hiding:  If this will be implemented , then it a wish come true . I dreamed for a Scimitar or a Scorpion even ( prefer tbh the 30mm ) , but I am not sure it fits the time period . If this is a way of getting it , then you have just made my day :Smile_Default:

Yeah, I'd love it too. Autocannons are some of the more fun weapons in the game. We could do with a high tier one, and as the others said earlier, the AMX13 90 is from the mid 60s, so we may be able to get this too. We can't really say much until we see the tech tree though.

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View Postsaml6131, on 17 May 2012 - 07:35 PM, said:

as the others said earlier, the AMX13 90 is from the mid 60s, so we may be able to get this too. We can't really say much until we see the tech tree though.
My god, what language am I going to have to speak? The AMX 13 90 is NOT from the 60's. The platform is from the late forties early fifties, and the gun is a re-bored version of the original 75mm gun.
It's from the 60's the same way a 16th century naval cannon re-bored to a modern caliber is a 21th century cannon.

Thus, all these tanks you are dreaming about are exceeding the time frame.

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I can see the RARDEN being an autocannon with one round in the clip, but a bust of three.

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View PostExocet6951, on 17 May 2012 - 07:50 PM, said:

My god, what language am I going to have to speak? The AMX 13 90 is NOT from the 60's. The platform is from the late forties early fifties, and the gun is a re-bored version of the original 75mm gun.
It's from the 60's the same way a 16th century naval cannon re-bored to a modern caliber is a 21th century cannon.

Thus, all these tanks you are dreaming about are exceeding the time frame.

Yeah, but if push comes to shove, WG may need to add it to give us Brits a decend tier 5 light. But, we'll still have to wait and see what they come up with, because they could give us a wide variety of great tanks. I feel like WG made it a 1960 limit just so that us British couldn't get the Cheiftain and FV101/7

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It's the Action Man tank!

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But really, that is a good idea.

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View Postsaml6131, on 17 May 2012 - 07:12 PM, said:

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The Scorpion has 72kph, rivaling the M24 Chaffee as it has 23hp/ton giving it the worst acceleration out of the end tier 5 light tanks, but still pretty good acceleration, and it can always be upgraded with a better engine if WG would allow it.

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And another option, which is my preference, could be the high velocity 30mm gun on the Scimitar, firing at 90 rounds per minute, slower than other auto cannons but the first one that may be of any use against higher tiers, as it should have high penetration. Due to caliber = damage, the damage per shot could should be around 30-40 damage giving it between 2700 - 3600 damage per minute. Sounds fun to me.

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I have read that the Scorpion with the 4.2 litre petrol engine could do more like 80 km/h albeit on road.

The Rarden cannon takes three round clips and the most it can get off two clips worth as the initial burst.

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View PostLGrum, on 20 May 2012 - 09:55 AM, said:

I have read that the Scorpion with the 4.2 litre petrol engine could do more like 80 km/h albeit on road.

The Rarden cannon takes three round clips and the most it can get off two clips worth as the initial burst.

The CVR(T) family could do 70mph on the road with the petrol Jag engine (the Samaritan and Sultan were a bit slower being a bit heavier but I still managed to get 55mph out of my Sultan).

Top speed was the same in forward and reverse as it had 7 gears in both directions operated by a foot gear change lever (motor bike style).

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View PostExocet6951, on 17 May 2012 - 07:50 PM, said:

My god, what language am I going to have to speak? The AMX 13 90 is NOT from the 60's. The platform is from the late forties early fifties, and the gun is a re-bored version of the original 75mm gun.
It's from the 60's the same way a 16th century naval cannon re-bored to a modern caliber is a 21th century cannon.

Thus, all these tanks you are dreaming about are exceeding the time frame.

People can dream or express what they would like.

The 76mm L23A1 on the Scorpion was a lighter version of the 76mm L5A1 which was originally the 76mm L3A1 (design started 1940's) fitted to the Saladin and firing the same HESH round as the L3A1 (the L29 HESH-T) so the gun and round are pretty much in the time line. There was no real modern tech fitted to the CVR(T) family by the British, just because a vehicle was built later than a certain time frame does not mean it had bells and whistles fitted. The gun was not stabilised and the turret was manual traverse only.

Not saying I would like it in game as I believe there is too much creep anyway into fictional tanks and equipment levels.

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Ok as far as I have seen the Giat 90mm F3 is a modernised version of the Giat Industries 90 mm D 921 F1 gun, going through the F2 version to the F3. Not found any provenance to suggest it was a rebored 75mm.

Edited by Tigger3, 20 May 2012 - 02:02 PM.





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