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KV-13 the worst tier7 of ALL time.


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Passchendaele #21 Posted 19 May 2012 - 03:22 PM

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View Posts00ulja, on 18 May 2012 - 04:30 PM, said:

That's funny how i'm struggling to get this bad gun 85mm D5B-85BM. This KV-13 is ruining my winrate, currently i'm playing with this 76mm S-54 (109 pen, and 115dmg) and in public games i can't pen any high tier tank, i can't make dmg to any high tier tank (if i pass it i can hit to 95dmg to a tank which has 1500hp), plus my vehicule is not at his best as i just got it. I don't understand how wargaming has given this 76mm S-54 (109 pen, and 115dmg) to a tier7 tank, i struggle to get credits, and i struggle to get xp. Every tier7 tank in 1v1 is rapping me easily.

This is the baddest tank in this game, and most people here talkin about this tank can't realize there are so much more better tank in the game and KV-13 must be the lowest one. This is so easier to play a heavy tank hitting to +300 dmg

Lol it's so ridicolous how you complain about a tank before getting it completely full.
KV-13 is a decent tank, it's you that don't know how to use it, l2p and stop whining.
Personally, I think it is a bit overvalued, 145mm pen at tier 7 is a joke even for a medium. But it is very fast and has great armor.
Worst tier 7 medium is T-43, I'd say. It isn't good in anything.

Edited by Passchendaele, 19 May 2012 - 03:23 PM.


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View PostPasschendaele, on 19 May 2012 - 03:22 PM, said:

Personally, I think it is a bit overvalued, 145mm pen at tier 7 is a joke even for a medium. But it is very fast and has great armor.

I think that summarize what i think. And that's enough to say KV-13 is a bad tank. You can be fast, well armored but if u don't pen and u don't do enough dmg then you're useless.

( btw i got my tank fully upgraded and it doesn't change anything and u won't learn me to play FFS. )

Edited by s00ulja, 19 May 2012 - 08:48 PM.


Passchendaele #23 Posted 19 May 2012 - 10:14 PM

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Then it's your opinion, it doesn't mean that the tank sucks. You rather say "it doesn't fit my play style".

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View Posts00ulja, on 19 May 2012 - 08:47 PM, said:

I think that summarize what i think. And that's enough to say KV-13 is a bad tank. You can be fast, well armored but if u don't pen and u don't do enough dmg then you're useless.

( btw i got my tank fully upgraded and it doesn't change anything and u won't learn me to play FFS. )
144mm pen is not enough to pen frontally, but get on a KT' side or rear, which is easily done, and you will ruin his day. Same for any tier9 heavy.

a KV13 shooting up your side is deadly for a couple of reasons: it going to fire fast, and it's going to take a while to kill. If you turn you front towards it, you turn your side to it's allies. If you ignore it, it will make your life hell.
In short, it's like the knight in chess: hard to use, moves around on the board fast, annoying to counter, but correctly placed, a knight can defeat even the queen.

sharlin648 #25 Posted 20 May 2012 - 11:25 AM

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Or use the 122 howitzer, on a fast flanker, especially one as tough as the KV-13 its a lethal combination as no one wants to let you with your lil stubby gun get behind them and dump 4 inches of high explosive loving in their side, ass or back of the turret.

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With the 122mm, I just like to troll and aim at the gun :Smile_trollface-3:
But I don't like it too much, because if you're top tier, and rigged as a high tier annoyance, your chances of winning drop down rather fast.

sharlin648 #27 Posted 20 May 2012 - 12:11 PM

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If you're top teir in a KV-13 with the 122 you can still derpslap someone round the face with great joy.  :Smile_trollface-3:  Treat the KV-13 as a less accurate and tougher E8 Sherman and you won't go wrong.

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I sold mine to buy the T-54. The 54 is awesome, best Soviet medium, but I liked the KV-13 so much I bought it back. Nicely designed for tier 7 with a top speed of 59-60kph (not bad for something built on a KV chassis!) it's a primo flank-fighter or arty rusher. The tracks seem to absorb all hits from that geographic quadrant and when it comes to tangling with lower tier meds and heavies you're a monster. Circle strafe + aim at weakspots, get out of trouble fast if you're in trouble. The RoF on the top 85mm is more than tidy when combined with speed. You need top engine and tracks at least before getting a good idea of this tank because like all meds it depends on it's manoeuvrability. It's also a good warm-up for the T-44 and T-54, playing a resilient and fast med and not the slower, fragile meds lower down the tree. If it had the vertical stabiliser it would be OP but a tanker can dream :Smile_teethhappy:

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I tried the T-43 and LOATHED it. The KV-13 feels a superior tank

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View PostExocet6951, on 19 May 2012 - 10:48 PM, said:

144mm pen is not enough to pen frontally, but get on a KT' side or rear, which is easily done, and you will ruin his day. Same for any tier9 heavy.

a KV13 shooting up your side is deadly for a couple of reasons: it going to fire fast, and it's going to take a while to kill. If you turn you front towards it, you turn your side to it's allies. If you ignore it, it will make your life hell.
In short, it's like the knight in chess: hard to use, moves around on the board fast, annoying to counter, but correctly placed, a knight can defeat even the queen.

Sure, yesterday i got behind a VK4502P with my T-43 (which has 175mm not 144mm). Let's say it was afk. I pointed his rear with 90° angle and shot 5-6 times in different points ALL bounced...

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All of the above is why I use the 122 and derp.  Sure the reloads slow but the 122 is actually rather accurate and HE will ALWAYS do some damage.

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View PostPasschendaele, on 20 May 2012 - 04:35 PM, said:

Sure, yesterday i got behind a VK4502P with my T-43 (which has 175mm not 144mm). Let's say it was afk. I pointed his rear with 90° angle and shot 5-6 times in different points ALL bounced...
I don't know what to tell you, shit happens. I've never seen ANYTHING like that ever happen though.
and I've shot up many KTs and VK ausf B, because their side armor are deliciously thin.

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I might have to try the 85mm gun, I didn't really like it, it seemed to take FOR EVER to zero in.

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View PostExocet6951, on 20 May 2012 - 05:11 PM, said:

I don't know what to tell you, shit happens. I've never seen ANYTHING like that ever happen though.
and I've shot up many KTs and VK ausf B, because their side armor are deliciously thin.
With KTs I've never had problems, I also penetrate most of the time E-75 on the side but VK4502(B) meh, maybe I've just been unlucky, I don't see them a lot around to say.

Anyway, using the same 85mm on T-44 stock I can say that it isn't that bad. (you have to use that, not 122mm derp). When I used it on KV-13 I was more unexperienced and I couldn't penetrate anything. But now it seems decent to me - it has a very high rof (with rammer).

For me it is:
1) T-20
2) Panther
3) KV-13
4) VK3002DB
5) T-43

Edited by Passchendaele, 20 May 2012 - 09:21 PM.


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View Postsharlin648, on 20 May 2012 - 04:21 PM, said:

I tried the T-43 and LOATHED it. The KV-13 feels a superior tank

Me too. It's a slow, badly armoured medium with a short-range gun. Which is silly. The only way I found to make it bearable was to use the 85mm, making it, in effect, a slightly worse KV-13. Which is sillier.

View Postsharlin648, on 20 May 2012 - 05:17 PM, said:

I might have to try the 85mm gun, I didn't really like it, it seemed to take FOR EVER to zero in.

It's not bad. Nothing special, though. Good for killing scouts. You can snipe and the KV-13's speed means you can get to useful flanking positions in order to do so, but it only really shines in close-combat where your speed and RoF give you the edge.

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Give me a KV13 and I will manage to put you on fire, kill your gunner or loader, then I will kill your driver before you can kill me in an equivalent tier tank. Why? because you just hug enemy tank and shoot at their weakpoints with my rapid firing gun.

The best part is that the reason I often survive the encounter, is because the enemy prioritizes some other tank over me. :Smile_veryhappy:

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Not if i hit u 400 dmg with my IS and break ur tracks (yes KV-13 has long track so it's easy to aim). Then you stuck, and you die :)

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View Posts00ulja, on 18 May 2012 - 12:33 AM, said:

It's good to compare others tier6/7 medium tanks, i'm almost sure KV-13 is the worse. (Stop comparing only soviet tanks it's a big mistake). I'm not talking shit but you have to give up this tree or you will get fucked like i did.

I have now 115 games with this little wonder and a win-% of 54, in random games that is. If I see my average xp in a battle is 595, I don't have the urge to think it is a bad tank. On the contrary, if (yes I say if, cause that seems to be the problem here) played well it can be a real joy to the driver and a real match-winner.

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Still i think KV-13 could be good if hitting at weakspots of opponents. Never really tried that but it could be interessting. :)

Edited by s00ulja, 01 June 2012 - 12:19 PM.


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View Posts00ulja, on 01 June 2012 - 12:15 PM, said:

Didn't check your stat yet but try to flank my IS fully upgraded then you will get a different opinion.

Who told you that medium tanks mast defeat heavy one to one? KV13 is tank for distraction and team victories. It could be used solo, some times I even urge to attack IS1/2 head to head, or to stay still front barrel of some tier 9 tank in order to help team to gain advantage. I get destroyed very frequently, but team wins. Usually I get at least 2 kills. First job is to protect arty. KV 13 is great anti scout. After that you could go flank some distracted heavy and do some damage (tank has excellent DPM), or to distract high tier enemy heavy until you teammates finish it. KV 13 has great agility and can chose firing positions with easy. It can do little help, but anti scout ability and this little help made in right place and in right time actually make win of your team. So KV 13 is much better team tank than yours fully upgraded IS.




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