Jump to content


E 75

E-75 FAQ Tips Tactics Review Weak spots Discussion E 75

  • Please log in to reply
1372 replies to this topic

Poll: Allowing the community to decide. (1317 members have cast votes)

You have to complete 250 battles in order to participate this poll.

What equipment do you use on the E-75?

  1. Enhanced Gun Laying Driver (451 votes [11.79%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.79%

  2. Vertical Stabilizer Mk 2 (685 votes [17.91%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.91%

  3. Coated Optics (112 votes [2.93%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.93%

  4. Fill Tanks with CO2 (9 votes [0.24%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.24%

  5. Large Caliber Tank Gun Rammer (1174 votes [30.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 30.70%

  6. "Wet" Ammo Rack Class 2 (18 votes [0.47%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.47%

  7. Improved Ventilation Class 3 (889 votes [23.25%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.25%

  8. Large Spall Liner (155 votes [4.05%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.05%

  9. Enhanced Torsion Bars 5+ t Class (17 votes [0.44%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.44%

  10. Toolbox (114 votes [2.98%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.98%

  11. Binocular Telescope (102 votes [2.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.67%

  12. Camouflage Net (72 votes [1.88%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.88%

  13. None (26 votes [0.68%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.68%

What Consumables do you use on the E-75?

  1. Chocolate (26 votes [0.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.67%

  2. 105-Octane Gasoline (15 votes [0.39%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.39%

  3. Automatic Fire Extinguishers (267 votes [6.87%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.87%

  4. Large First Aid Kit (98 votes [2.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.52%

  5. Large Repair Kit (119 votes [3.06%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.06%

  6. 100-Octane Gasoline (30 votes [0.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.77%

  7. Small First Aid Kit (1172 votes [30.16%])

    Percentage of vote: 30.16%

  8. Small Repair Kit (1196 votes [30.78%])

    Percentage of vote: 30.78%

  9. Manual Fire Extinguishers (963 votes [24.78%])

    Percentage of vote: 24.78%

Vote Hide poll

LordError94 #21 Posted 20 May 2012 - 09:43 PM

    Corporal

  • Beta Tester
  • 20748 battles
  • 179
  • [NOPAN] NOPAN
  • Member since:
    10-12-2010

View PostCharcharo, on 20 May 2012 - 01:52 PM, said:

I must say that for me, the E-75 was one of the finest tanks I have ever played in this game.
Can't agree more.
Nice thread. :Smile_great:

Trakais #22 Posted 20 May 2012 - 11:21 PM

    Second Lieutenant

  • Player
  • 34129 battles
  • 1,035
  • Member since:
    03-17-2011
After last patch E75 is the king of tier 9, great survivability, solid maneuverabilty, awesome look, only the 128mm gun could be a bit less random when it comes to accuracy. In random battles it eats every other tier 9 tank and will chop off huge bits from tier 10s if given the chance.

Loofah #23 Posted 21 May 2012 - 12:02 AM

    General

  • Clan Diplomat
  • 22733 battles
  • 8,726
  • Member since:
    08-06-2011

View PostTrakais, on 20 May 2012 - 11:21 PM, said:

After last patch E75 is the king of tier 9, great survivability, solid maneuverabilty, awesome look, only the 128mm gun could be a bit less random when it comes to accuracy. In random battles it eats every other tier 9 tank and will chop off huge bits from tier 10s if given the chance.

M103 eats E75 alive while ST-1 generally at least has a gun you can depend on when it comes to penetration.

Every other T9 heavy has no problems penetrating IS7, E75 often fails even vs LFP or angled UFP.
Every other T9 heavy can punch holes in slightly angled ST-1's and IS4's UFP. E75 can't it has to aim at tiny weakspots.

E75 is a good tank, just too annoying to play. The gun simply sucks penetration-wise and for me offense >>> defense. IS8 is not better because it has absolutely no armor, but on the other hand everyone at T9 penetrates E75's LFP easily anyway and it's so big it's hard to miss...,


WG has basically nerfed whole T9 heavy tier, so as I've said - E75 will be next. Goodbye fun AND profitable tanks that are competitive with T10s, welcome to the world of "buy T10 or get slaughtered".

Edited by Loofah, 21 May 2012 - 12:05 AM.


Iron_Funeral #24 Posted 21 May 2012 - 10:41 AM

    Second Lieutenant

  • Beta Tester
  • 33938 battles
  • 1,017
  • Member since:
    12-26-2010

View PostCharcharo, on 20 May 2012 - 05:37 PM, said:

I cant be too sure about that as I am a current VK 4502 B driver. You are right about fires and the smaller lower hull though, but I do think the VK 45 does well in the frontal armour department. You are correct that I am unsure whether it is actually better.

To be fair, the VKB upper plate provides better protection than E-75' LFP, both LFPs have similar protection with VK leading slightly (I'd say it's tougher by about 5mm) but E-75's UFP is impenetrateable with a slight angle. So VKB has better "average protection" on it's front due to the bigger size of the UFP, but that same UFP can be penetrated by every tier X gun, even if you angle it slighty, should you angle it more the sides suddenly become easy targets for most guns. If you can hide part of your -lower- hull the E-75 becomes infinitely better protected. And it doesn't catch fire.

hopeasusi #25 Posted 21 May 2012 - 11:38 AM

    Sergeant

  • Beta Tester
  • 13029 battles
  • 218
  • Member since:
    11-24-2010

View PostIron_Funeral, on 21 May 2012 - 10:41 AM, said:

To be fair, the VKB upper plate provides better protection than E-75' LFP, both LFPs have similar protection with VK leading slightly (I'd say it's tougher by about 5mm) but E-75's UFP is impenetrateable with a slight angle. So VKB has better "average protection" on it's front due to the bigger size of the UFP, but that same UFP can be penetrated by every tier X gun, even if you angle it slighty, should you angle it more the sides suddenly become easy targets for most guns. If you can hide part of your -lower- hull the E-75 becomes infinitely better protected. And it doesn't catch fire.
Ones again as i has been discussed many times before E-75 has thicker UFP and LFP due to much better angles on those plates. VK45B only plus is a smaller LFP that is offset by catching fire like cotton dipped in gasoline.

Calculate yourself, if you don't believe me. Though I did it here:
E-75 UFP 160@60decrees so thats 160/cos(52) = 260mm thick
    LFP  130@60decrees 130/cos(52) = 211mm thick

Vk4502B UFP 170@50decrees 170/cos(42) = 229mm thick if even @55decrees its only 249mm
   LFP 150@45decrees 150/cos(37) = 187mm thick if even @50decrees its only 202mm

Now the only thing I'm not complete sure are those angles on VK45B. As some say the LFP is only @40decrees. So can anyone confirm them from somewhere so we can truly put this debate to rest.

Loofah #26 Posted 21 May 2012 - 11:45 AM

    General

  • Clan Diplomat
  • 22733 battles
  • 8,726
  • Member since:
    08-06-2011

View Posthopeasusi, on 21 May 2012 - 11:38 AM, said:

Ones again as i has been discussed many times before E-75 has thicker UFP and LFP due to much better angles on those plates. VK45B only plus is a smaller LFP that is offset by catching fire like cotton dipped in gasoline.

Calculate yourself, if you don't believe me. Though I did it here:
E-75 UFP 160@60decrees so thats 160/cos(52) = 260mm thick
LFP  130@60decrees 130/cos(52) = 211mm thick

Vk4502B UFP 170@50decrees 170/cos(42) = 229mm thick if even @55decrees its only 249mm
   LFP 150@45decrees 150/cos(37) = 187mm thick if even @50decrees its only 202mm

Now the only thing I'm not complete sure are those angles on VK45B. As some say the LFP is only @40decrees. So can anyone confirm them from somewhere so we can truly put this debate to rest.


No, it's not 130mm.
I got around 50% penetrations using 88L71 vs unangled E75. It's 120mm. If it was 130, it wouldn't be so easy to penetrate using BL9.

And VK is 55 degrees angled because UFP bounces 128L55 easily and even M62 if angled.

Edited by Loofah, 21 May 2012 - 11:45 AM.


Iron_Funeral #27 Posted 21 May 2012 - 11:51 AM

    Second Lieutenant

  • Beta Tester
  • 33938 battles
  • 1,017
  • Member since:
    12-26-2010

View Posthopeasusi, on 21 May 2012 - 11:38 AM, said:

[...]
As Loofah said E-75's LFP is around 120mm not 130mm and the VKB UFP is 55 degrees tho it doesn't bounce anything unless heavily angled. And for some reason the VKB LFP feels thicker -might be of height difference - tho it doesn't make a difference vs. 220+ penetration.

Loofah #28 Posted 21 May 2012 - 01:29 PM

    General

  • Clan Diplomat
  • 22733 battles
  • 8,726
  • Member since:
    08-06-2011

View PostIron_Funeral, on 21 May 2012 - 11:51 AM, said:

As Loofah said E-75's LFP is around 120mm not 130mm and the VKB UFP is 55 degrees tho it doesn't bounce anything unless heavily angled. And for some reason the VKB LFP feels thicker -might be of height difference - tho it doesn't make a difference vs. 220+ penetration.

Well, 128L55 bounces on it from time to time so it's a pretty decent piece of armor.
Overall VK4502B can do some nice ticks using its rear mounted turret, but as usual - works on some maps, on most it doesn't. Again - you have to count on luck.


@Chacharo: fix the OP.
E75's gun depression is as good  as M103's.
AMX50-120 has 80mm sides so it can't be penetrated with HE from tank guns. Rear is 60mm so again - while there is a chance, I wouldn't try doing this with 68mm HE penetration with no normalisation.
And M103 wins on:
- penetration
- DPM
- aimtime, AIMTIME AIMTIMEEEEEE!
- size of the weakspot (makes a HUGE difference vs BL9 and even 105L68 - E75 is much easier to hit in its weakspot so overall it's easier to hurt it frontally, especially with T9 meds)
- accuracy on the move

Edited by Loofah, 21 May 2012 - 01:35 PM.


Panzerkeks85 #29 Posted 21 May 2012 - 01:44 PM

    Staff Sergeant

  • Player
  • 8878 battles
  • 365
  • Member since:
    10-09-2011
I love my E75 and play it with a 53% Win Rate. I can even live the huge weakspot in the front but what the E75 really needs is more penetration and a higher RoF!

But I'm afraid if WG will continue to shit on heavy German tanks and if they even move the transmission to the front my E75 will probably end up in the museum
and I will either stop to play WoT or move to my IS8 or IS7. Just imagine how fun this will be if you only have IS tanks rolling around... well done WG!

Edited by Panzerkeks85, 21 May 2012 - 01:46 PM.


Charcharo #30 Posted 21 May 2012 - 05:36 PM

    Second Lieutenant

  • Beta Tester
  • 30734 battles
  • 1,414
  • Member since:
    09-16-2010

View PostLoofah, on 21 May 2012 - 01:29 PM, said:

Well, 128L55 bounces on it from time to time so it's a pretty decent piece of armor.
Overall VK4502B can do some nice ticks using its rear mounted turret, but as usual - works on some maps, on most it doesn't. Again - you have to count on luck.


@Chacharo: fix the OP.
E75's gun depression is as good  as M103's.
AMX50-120 has 80mm sides so it can't be penetrated with HE from tank guns. Rear is 60mm so again - while there is a chance, I wouldn't try doing this with 68mm HE penetration with no normalisation.
And M103 wins on:
- penetration
- DPM
- aimtime, AIMTIME AIMTIMEEEEEE!
- size of the weakspot (makes a HUGE difference vs BL9 and even 105L68 - E75 is much easier to hit in its weakspot so overall it's easier to hurt it frontally, especially with T9 meds)
- accuracy on the move
Thank you Loofah, I will fix my post. Thanks for the help ( good thing its in 2nd page, cause otherwise I wont see it XD. That is why I usually prefer PMs)
However, one thing:
I do really think its 130mm, because when I had a BL-9 and a 105mm L68, E-75 lower plate was actually relatively tough to penetrate once angled. Also, if it is 120mm, that would mean that the 128mm gun would receive the - 10 degree penetration bonus thanks to its 2x120 + 6 penetration. Currently, although rarely, the 128mm gun can bounce on the lower plate more often than if it had that bonus.

Loofah #31 Posted 21 May 2012 - 06:00 PM

    General

  • Clan Diplomat
  • 22733 battles
  • 8,726
  • Member since:
    08-06-2011

View PostCharcharo, on 21 May 2012 - 05:36 PM, said:

Thank you Loofah, I will fix my post. Thanks for the help ( good thing its in 2nd page, cause otherwise I wont see it XD. That is why I usually prefer PMs)
However, one thing:
I do really think its 130mm, because when I had a BL-9 and a 105mm L68, E-75 lower plate was actually relatively tough to penetrate once angled. Also, if it is 120mm, that would mean that the 128mm gun would receive the - 10 degree penetration bonus thanks to its 2x120 + 6 penetration. Currently, although rarely, the 128mm gun can bounce on the lower plate more often than if it had that bonus.

I'm not sure if this mechanic really works this way (you know, someone said that it is so, but it was long time ago and I doubt this works this way), I'm quite sure there is some game mechanic that deals with this issue, but it probably works in some completely crazy manner, just like most things made by WG (MM anyone? :D)
Even my M62 sometimes bounces on that plate. (you know, angled E75 + very bad pen roll).
.
This plate seemed quite tough to me at one point but then I went back to T8 (IS3) and started shooting that plate and basically my success rate was disturbingly good. When angled E75 should get safe 233mm side/LFP. There is no way it is possible to get that much armor on LFP in-game without exposing the side (or so it seems).
Even 88L71 at 50m had pretty high success rate so IMO it's 120 and this "10 degree normalisation vs 2 times thinner armor" is another false info by WG :P

And my 128L55 almost never bounces on that plate, at under 20-25m I never shoot it though because the angle gets pretty bad.

Edited by Loofah, 21 May 2012 - 06:04 PM.


Panzerkeks85 #32 Posted 22 May 2012 - 09:01 AM

    Staff Sergeant

  • Player
  • 8878 battles
  • 365
  • Member since:
    10-09-2011
Can anyone tell me what the way to angle with E75? I play it quite well but when it comes to angeling I'm not sure.
Sometimes I angle to less and I got in the lower front plate and if I angle to much I got punched in the sides. So the killer question is: what's the perfect angle?

Iron_Funeral #33 Posted 22 May 2012 - 10:18 AM

    Second Lieutenant

  • Beta Tester
  • 33938 battles
  • 1,017
  • Member since:
    12-26-2010

View PostLoofah, on 21 May 2012 - 01:29 PM, said:

Well, 128L55 bounces on it from time to time so it's a pretty decent piece of armor.
Overall VK4502B can do some nice ticks using its rear mounted turret, but as usual - works on some maps, on most it doesn't. Again - you have to count on luck.
Well that is only because it's the only gun that will bounce on anything <tier IX :Smile_trollface-3: The truth is, it gets penetrated more often than not and therefore it's completely unreliable (I'd say that you should try it out by playing it but I'm not used to wish for bad things to other people :Smile_veryhappy: )
VKB's one-trick is the sidescraper but E-75 can do that as well and it doesn't suffer from so many retarded failings as the VKB. The two vehicles are worlds apart if you would compare every properties of them.

View PostLoofah, on 21 May 2012 - 06:00 PM, said:

Even 88L71 at 50m had pretty high success rate

Yup, when E-75 came out we tested it with long 88 and came to the conclusion that the LFP can be penetrated by ~200mm guns, optimal distance is around 100m so the LFP doesn't get additional slope and neither loses the gun (too much) penetration. CQC the LFP can bounce a lot of things due to the additional slope it gains, but new guns can penetrate the UFP when facehugging (no angling).

moenbeer #34 Posted 22 May 2012 - 10:21 AM

    Staff Sergeant

  • Player
  • 23390 battles
  • 344
  • Member since:
    07-11-2011

View PostPanzerkeks85, on 22 May 2012 - 09:01 AM, said:

Can anyone tell me what the way to angle with E75? I play it quite well but when it comes to angeling I'm not sure.
Sometimes I angle to less and I got in the lower front plate and if I angle to much I got punched in the sides. So the killer question is: what's the perfect angle?

around 15 degrees ish...  if you use the side-scape trick. But you still have to hide your LFP.

I'll allways try to angle the tank behind a rock or building to protect my LFP and then reverse out to do a peek-a-book for one shot. Then go back to hiding while reloading.

If' I got no cover, then i angle the tank around 10-15 degrees.. or put it reverse while I zig-zag from left to right so it's hard to aim at my LFP

Edward_Teague #35 Posted 22 May 2012 - 04:09 PM

    Second Lieutenant

  • Player
  • 32642 battles
  • 1,056
  • Member since:
    02-07-2011
E75 is a the best armoured T9 tank.
That much is true.

Too bad the game doesn't just revolve around armour.
M103 will get to a position quicker and light you up like a firecracker.

Solid tank. But just don't enjoy playing it, never did.
Feels like a KT clone for tier IX...




Tinned #36 Posted 27 May 2012 - 11:27 AM

    Staff Sergeant

  • Player
  • 36475 battles
  • 337
  • Member since:
    08-23-2011
I have an overall win rate of 50% and the E-75 was my first tier 9 tank and after 150 odd matches win rate was 38% before I binned it. Even with 84% hit rate and fully researched I did not emjoy this tank at all, too slow for me, most battles just slug-a-thons in same place on every map, and you are an arty magnet, E-50 much more fun.

Nick_Stone #37 Posted 27 May 2012 - 07:54 PM

    Private

  • Player
  • 9426 battles
  • 42
  • [_GUN_] _GUN_
  • Member since:
    06-15-2011
Just sold the E-75. Having played the IS-8 and M103 on a friends account it just doesn't compare tbh wish I hadn't wasted my time.

RedlineRailgunningRemmel #38 Posted 28 May 2012 - 12:40 PM

    Warrant Officer

  • Player
  • 42892 battles
  • 712
  • [IDEAL] IDEAL
  • Member since:
    01-26-2012

View PostLoofah, on 21 May 2012 - 12:02 AM, said:

M103 eats E75 alive while ST-1 generally at least has a gun you can depend on when it comes to penetration.

Hmmm I wonder why...experimental E75 it put up against future modern tanks designs. I am now grinding towards the E75 but don't know if i will buy it since LFP will be nerfed making the name it not a heavy tank worthy anymore. Might continue the grind on the T32.

Iron_Funeral #39 Posted 28 May 2012 - 12:48 PM

    Second Lieutenant

  • Beta Tester
  • 33938 battles
  • 1,017
  • Member since:
    12-26-2010

View PostRemmke, on 28 May 2012 - 12:40 PM, said:

LFP will be nerfed.

What? Goddamnit why can't we transfer tank crews cross-nations.

Loofah #40 Posted 28 May 2012 - 01:17 PM

    General

  • Clan Diplomat
  • 22733 battles
  • 8,726
  • Member since:
    08-06-2011

View PostIron_Funeral, on 28 May 2012 - 12:48 PM, said:

What? Goddamnit why can't we transfer tank crews cross-nations.

Not really LFP itself. Just "engine" will be moved to the front. So our tank will burn from frontal shots, just like any other German tank.
E50 is going to get nerfed the same way too, which is funny because both E75 and E50 are actually underperforming recently.




3 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 3 guests, 0 anonymous users