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dachlatte #1 Posted 26 May 2012 - 11:17 AM

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Does every crew member need the Brothers in Arms perk for it to take effect??

I have tanks where not all crew members have the bia perk and the symbole is greyed out and it deos not show up in the mouse-over tool tip.
(ventilation is installed)
http://85.214.88.119/t32_bia.png

on the e75 every crew member has the perk + ventilation and it shows up as an extra 5%http://85.214.88.119/e75_boi.png

i dont know if im mistaken here but from what i can tell every member needs the perk for it to work. i think the description of the perk should be a little more clear on that because i just wasted alot of exp on a couple of my crews

Lord_Zulu #2 Posted 26 May 2012 - 11:20 AM

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No as i understand it only one member of the crew needs it but it wont come into effect till it reaches 100%

Edited by fork11, 26 May 2012 - 11:21 AM.


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All crew members need it, otherwise it won't work.
More clear? It even says it it the description that the whole crew needs to have it 100% to work.

Edited by Xzi, 26 May 2012 - 11:23 AM.


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Every crewmember needs it at 100% for it to work... you should be able to figure that out by yourself btw.

As the description says:

Brothers in Arms:
The Perk improves major qualification and all skills and perks for the entire crew.
The perk comes into effect after it reaches 100% for the entire crew.
The perk is more effective when combined with Improved Ventilations, Extra Combat Rations, Chocolate, Case of Cola, and Strong Coffee.

Seriously, why do people not look into the description that is given from the game...
And if they want more accurate information they might as well go to the world of tanks wiki....

Lord_Zulu #5 Posted 26 May 2012 - 11:23 AM

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View PostXzi, on 26 May 2012 - 11:22 AM, said:

All crew members need it, otherwise it won't work.

Ah i was wrong well learn something new everyday


EDIT......S**T need to retrain crew now in the words of Homer Simpson D'oh

Edited by fork11, 26 May 2012 - 11:27 AM.


Gold97 #6 Posted 26 May 2012 - 11:26 AM

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From wiki:

Posted ImageBrothers in Arms :
This perk increases the training level of each crew member's Role/Major Qualification by 5%. It also improves the Repair, Firefighting, and Camouflage skills by 5%. It does not affect role-specific skills, nor any perks (in-game description is incorrect). There is no benefit whatsoever unless all of the crew have this trained to 100%. The perk stays in effect if a crew member is knocked out during battle. The perk is cumulative with Improved Ventilation and skill boosting consumables.

EickhardtSr #7 Posted 26 May 2012 - 11:31 AM

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View Postfork11, on 26 May 2012 - 11:23 AM, said:

Ah i was wrong well learn something new everyday


EDIT......S**T need to retrain crew now in the words of Homer Simpson D'oh
Your lucky day then... It's half price for retraining your crew...

SimpleMinds64 #8 Posted 26 May 2012 - 11:32 AM

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i think and hope i am not wrong :Smile_Default:

all perks which can be explored by all crew members work only 100% (if not 100 than the average percentage of all crew members on this perk)

for special perks like "sniper" this average effect does not work...

so "Brothers in arms" works only if all members have this perk on 100% and you get an additional 5% if you have mounted the "Ventilation"... (without Ventilation these 5% will not appear)

so i´d like to advice to reconsider the perks you have shown on your french tank... as it looks like a wild mixture and will not really effect the skill of this crew...

Edited by SimpleMinds64, 26 May 2012 - 11:33 AM.


dachlatte #9 Posted 26 May 2012 - 11:45 AM

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View PostBanzaiBonsai, on 26 May 2012 - 11:22 AM, said:

Every crewmember needs it at 100% for it to work... you should be able to figure that out by yourself btw.

As the description says:

Brothers in Arms:
The Perk improves major qualification and all skills and perks for the entire crew.
The perk comes into effect after it reaches 100% for the entire crew.
The perk is more effective when combined with Improved Ventilations, Extra Combat Rations, Chocolate, Case of Cola, and Strong Coffee.

Seriously, why do people not look into the description that is given from the game...
And if they want more accurate information they might as well go to the world of tanks wiki....

oh ok. i understood it like
"The perk comes into effect for the entire crew after it reaches 100% ."

guess my english isnt as good as i thought

elseba #10 Posted 26 May 2012 - 12:22 PM

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View PostSimpleMinds64, on 26 May 2012 - 11:32 AM, said:

i think and hope i am not wrong :Smile_Default:

all perks which can be explored by all crew members work only 100% (if not 100 than the average percentage of all crew members on this perk)

for special perks like "sniper" this average effect does not work...

so "Brothers in arms" works only if all members have this perk on 100% and you get an additional 5% if you have mounted the "Ventilation"... (without Ventilation these 5% will not appear)

so i´d like to advice to reconsider the perks you have shown on your french tank... as it looks like a wild mixture and will not really effect the skill of this crew...

So, you say that every single perk not just brothers in arms work the same way?
Meaning, if you choose sniper you should choose sniper to all crew members otherwise it will not take affect?!?

elseba #11 Posted 26 May 2012 - 12:54 PM

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View PostEickhardtSr, on 26 May 2012 - 11:31 AM, said:

Your lucky day then... It's half price for retraining your crew...

Oviously this is a new lesson for me too.
Now, about EickhardtSr response, you seem to suggest a solution to the problem.

I've done the same mistake as dachlatte, I'm currently training one crew member in brothers in arms but not the rest.
I could let this continue, until all crew members get their first perk 100%, then train the rest of the crew in brothers in arms.
But as I understand it, it takes much longer time to train the second perk than the first, so this is no good alternative.
If I alternatively cancel the training of my one crew member in brothers in arms-perk, what happens then if I start traing him in another perk?
Does he start from 0%?
Is there a better alternative?

CoeZ #12 Posted 26 May 2012 - 01:07 PM

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nope not 0% not 100% either (my experience), it will be like 90% then. and if i remember well enough, thats what the retrain-info says also

EickhardtSr #13 Posted 26 May 2012 - 01:07 PM

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View Postinterbastian, on 26 May 2012 - 12:54 PM, said:

Oviously this is a new lesson for me too.
Now, about EickhardtSr response, you seem to suggest a solution to the problem.

I've done the same mistake as dachlatte, I'm currently training one crew member in brothers in arms but not the rest.
I could let this continue, until all crew members get their first perk 100%, then train the rest of the crew in brothers in arms.
But as I understand it, it takes much longer time to train the second perk than the first, so this is no good alternative.
If I alternatively cancel the training of my one crew member in brothers in arms-perk, what happens then if I start traing him in another perk?
Does he start from 0%?
Is there a better alternative?

You can reset your crew training, there were you pick the skill/perk, for either gold, silver or free...

If you choose not to use gold, then you have to reset them soone and the sooner the better, because of the penelty for not useing gold is in %. In other words, you lose much more XP by waiting...

If you press "reset skill" you can see how much you lose... Just press "cancle" if you want to wait...

Edited by EickhardtSr, 26 May 2012 - 01:08 PM.


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View PostBanzaiBonsai, on 26 May 2012 - 11:22 AM, said:

Every crewmember needs it at 100% for it to work... you should be able to figure that out by yourself btw.

As the description says:

Brothers in Arms:
The Perk improves major qualification and all skills and perks for the entire crew.
The perk comes into effect after it reaches 100% for the entire crew.
The perk is more effective when combined with Improved Ventilations, Extra Combat Rations, Chocolate, Case of Cola, and Strong Coffee.

Seriously, why do people not look into the description that is given from the game...
And if they want more accurate information they might as well go to the world of tanks wiki....

In my eyes this can be understood also as "The perk comes into effect for the entire crew after the one trained in brother-in-arms member of the crew reaches 100%", so don't blame people for maybe missunderstanding a non-clear description.
As i understand that, the ingame description only states that the perk effects all members of the crew, but NOT that all members have to be trained in the same skill!

It would be clear if it was like "perk comes into effect after all crewmembers are trained to 100% of brothers-in-arms".
There is no sentence in the in-game-description that clearly states that all members have to train the same skill for it taking effect.

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View PostRedeagle55, on 26 May 2012 - 01:10 PM, said:

In my eyes this can be understood also as "The perk comes into effect for the entire crew after the one trained in brother-in-arms member of the crew reaches 100%", so don't blame people for maybe missunderstanding a non-clear description.
As i understand that, the ingame description only states that the perk effects all members of the crew, but NOT that all members have to be trained in the same skill!

It would be clear if it was like "perk comes into effect after all crewmembers are trained to 100% of brothers-in-arms".
There is no sentence in the in-game-description that clearly states that all members have to train the same skill for it taking effect.

It's much better in WiKi http://wiki.worldoftanks.eu/Crew#Perks

And for dropping perks and skills see this http://wiki.worldoft...kills_and_Perks

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View PostRedeagle55, on 26 May 2012 - 01:10 PM, said:

In my eyes this can be understood also as "The perk comes into effect for the entire crew after the one trained in brother-in-arms member of the crew reaches 100%", so don't blame people for maybe missunderstanding a non-clear description.
As i understand that, the ingame description only states that the perk effects all members of the crew, but NOT that all members have to be trained in the same skill!

It would be clear if it was like "perk comes into effect after all crewmembers are trained to 100% of brothers-in-arms".
There is no sentence in the in-game-description that clearly states that all members have to train the same skill for it taking effect.
I mean what's so hard to understand here? It clearly states that the whole crew has to have it 100% to make it work.

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View PostRedeagle55, on 26 May 2012 - 01:10 PM, said:

In my eyes this can be understood also as "The perk comes into effect for the entire crew after the one trained in brother-in-arms member of the crew reaches 100%", so don't blame people for maybe missunderstanding a non-clear description.
As i understand that, the ingame description only states that the perk effects all members of the crew, but NOT that all members have to be trained in the same skill!


This was my original interprertation of the text.

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Thanks ErickhardtSr and CoeZ for your reply

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Kinda normal everyone needs to be at 100% as it is called Brothers in Arms, like in plural...

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View PostXzi, on 26 May 2012 - 01:28 PM, said:

I mean what's so hard to understand here? It clearly states that the whole crew has to have it 100% to make it work.

It just does not. As you see, Im not the only one who missunderstood that.
As it is an effect that effects the entire crew, ther are just some words missing to clearly state that also the entire crew must train it and that makes the statement not clear.
Mybe it'S a problem of non-native-speakers :)




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