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not really but it will be funny until it gets nerfed (1-2months of hilarity, i think so)

 UMM, on 03 June 2012 - 11:37 PM, said:

The 6 pounder (57mm) could be similar in stats to the 57mm on the T-34. It also had a 76mm howitzer available. Not good at this tier, but still a weapon.
The armour of the Mk3 Crusader is 51mm at a pretty good slope. Better than the M1 Sherman.

In fact, the majority of the tank is better than the M1 Sherman.

Same hull armour, but angled better. Similar top speed, give or take a couple of km/h. Better acceleration. 6 pounder had more penetration than the 75mm used on the Sherman, but less than the 76mm M1A1.
However, the gun may not be powerful enough for tier 5, unless WG plan on giving the Crusader its great accuracy on the move.

So if it has great accuracy on the move, decent penetraton on the 6 pounder, fair top speed and acceleration, it could be one of the best tier 5 tanks.

 saml6131, on 24 June 2012 - 06:10 PM, said:

and the Matilda also had a 2 pounder like the Crusader, except the Crusader had a lot less armour. The matilda had also a Cromwell turret experimentaly mounted fitting that same 6 pdr gun. And the Matilda is still one tier lower.
The M3 Lee can mount the M4 Sherman's 75mm and is tier 4. Why should the Crusader be a tier 5 with a "gun not powerful enough will have to be accurate" when it can be a hell of tank in tier 4? The 6 pounder is closer to the M3 Lee's elite 75mm gun anyway.
What's the point of having a tank in tier 5 that either underperforms or must have stats buffed beyond historical accuracy to be competitive?
Edited by UMM, 24 June 2012 - 08:36 PM.

 UMM, on 24 June 2012 - 08:27 PM, said:

What stat's need buffing?

The Crusader MkIII had the 6 pounder, which ingame has
Damage - 75,
Penetration - 110mm
Rof - 26.25
Accuracy - 0.43

These are the stats of the one on the premium Churchill. Keep the Rof but chance accuracy to about 0.35 then it'll do fine once I explain the rest.

The hull armour is 51mm sloped well. This will allow it to bounce shells from tiers 3-5 dependant on the angle of impact and may even bounce higher tiers shells, although rarely. It's also got quite a low profile so is harder to hit and can hide in bushes easier. This gives it better armour values and a lower profile than the Sherman and even the T-34 in some places.

Top speed of 48km/h makes it as fast as a Panzer IV or a Sherman, but it has 18hp/t compared to the Shermans 15hp/t and just above the T-34's 17.5hp/t.

And the main thing?

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So expect it to be able to fire accurately on the move, with a rapid fire gun. If anything it is extremely similar statistically to the M7, a tier 5 medium.

At least give it a chance at tier 5. If it sucks then WG will change it come the test servers. Everything can still be changed.

and the british made munitions should be more potent then the soviet varieties meaning better pen stats potentially.

 saml6131, on 24 June 2012 - 09:11 PM, said:

Even Churchill drivers seem to think that the 6pdr is hardly competitive because of it's penetration, it's RoF barely compensating for it. All this might mean it might not be tier 5's elite gun, since, well, it was mounted on a tier 4 tank, the Matilda... If it is to be Crusader's elite gun, then, yeah, it will need buffing.
I just hope it's like you say, that "everything can still be changed", based on the test servers results...

 UMM, on 24 June 2012 - 10:05 PM, said:

I've had 300 battles with my Churchill (Ok, 295) and I think that the 6 pounder is a great gun......... at tier 5. The high Rof allows you to tear open most tanks you'll run into, but it'll be useless against Tigers from the front. Which is quite bad considering that the 76mm M1A1 can get through it at closer ranges. It will need a small penetration buff, around to 125mm, but after that it'll be fine, so long as the Crusader can flank the tanks with great accuracy and rof. That's the main reason why it isn't as effective on the Churchill. You can't flank the enemy with it, leaving you limited to firing at the front armour.

 saml6131, on 24 June 2012 - 10:13 PM, said:

Have you tried http://www.wwiiequipment.com/pencalc/ - not perfect as the author says. But makes for interesting comparisons

 UMM, on 24 June 2012 - 10:05 PM, said:

i am a churchill driver and i find that the 6pdr is a good gun for ripping lower tiers apart
and everyone else on its tier too

 saml6131, on 24 June 2012 - 09:11 PM, said:

Top speed buff over historical plausible here, I'd say. As they gave to Panzer III.

 UMM, on 24 June 2012 - 10:05 PM, said:

Church is a heavy though. M7 Medium and Ram II would be better comparisons. Granted, I think M7 Med could use small buff too (more accuracy for the 6 pounder is needed, especially).

 saml6131, on 24 June 2012 - 10:13 PM, said:

I can also tell you that I like the Char B1 despite general opinion being otherwise.
I merely think that the Churchill should at least get something other than just a 6pdr as an elite gun.  Reality of tier 5 MM is just that, you do have to encounter Tigers from the front daily. 6 pdr on tier 5 would just cause as much ressentment as the short 88 does on a jagpanzer IV if you happen to read german TD forum.
Jesus Christ it's just a 57mm gun. Of course it will need something other than that on tier 5 when the benchmark for tier 5 caliber is 75mm.


You said

 saml6131, on 24 June 2012 - 09:11 PM, said:

and then suggested to buff it's penetration and accuracy.

 mr3awsome, on 25 June 2012 - 07:14 AM, said:

ANY gun tears lower tiers apart if you get to them first.

Finally, a glorious moment when a T-28 domination in junior companies might end!!!

 wojtekimbier, on 09 July 2012 - 11:15 PM, said:

No, it is still goddamn powerful.