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spartan231 #21 Posted 07 June 2012 - 12:35 PM

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Been to Bovington twice so far. The Jagdtiger is a sight to behold. You play a game like this, and read the dimensions on the wiki, but you never appreciate just how massive these machines are.

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View Postspartan231, on 07 June 2012 - 12:35 PM, said:

Been to Bovington twice so far. The Jagdtiger is a sight to behold. You play a game like this, and read the dimensions on the wiki, but you never appreciate just how massive these machines are.

Agreed :Smile_Default: To see them close up is an amazing sight :Smile_Default:

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The_Challenger #23 Posted 07 June 2012 - 02:08 PM

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View Posttheta0123, on 05 June 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:

Dear Challenger

Do you perhaps know what the frontal turret armour was of the centurion tank series? And did the caernarvon tank used the exact same centurion turret then the tank it origenated from?

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Hi,

The armour on the Cent was about 150mm at its thickest, the history of the Cent is fascinating, so well respected amongst tank design and was around for a long time. Entered production in 1945 and of course the chassis was used in a host of designs since.

The FV201 hull was combined with the 17pounder armed Cent turret to give the FV221 the Caernarvon Mark 1

Hope this helps :Smile_Default:

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View Postspartan231, on 07 June 2012 - 12:35 PM, said:

Been to Bovington twice so far. The Jagdtiger is a sight to behold. You play a game like this, and read the dimensions on the wiki, but you never appreciate just how massive these machines are.

Funny I think everyone at the London meet thought that about the Jagdpanther!


View PostThe_Challenger, on 07 June 2012 - 01:26 PM, said:

Agreed :Smile_Default: To see them close up is an amazing sight :Smile_Default:

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That it is indeed, I look forward to seeing them in motion at Tank fest.

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View PostListy, on 05 June 2012 - 04:51 PM, said:

One other thing to consider. The Germans were running out of manpower. So Lots of smaller tanks isn't always a good thing if you can only crew a small portion of them.

Also Allied air power didn't kill as much in the way of German armour as is commonly thought. What it did do was beat the snot out of the German logistics system behind the front lines.

View Postfdsdh1, on 05 June 2012 - 04:32 PM, said:

I have a question, why in a time when Allied air power reign supreme 1943-45 did the Germans build ever larger and slower tanks, surely they would be bigger targets and a waste of valuable resources which could otherwise have been used to produce Pz IV's and light tank destroyers?

This is slightly related to my A level history course!

View PostAdwaenyth, on 05 June 2012 - 04:57 PM, said:

That and a lot of gigantism that fascinated the political elite of Germany, Hitler in particular, at that time. The german doctrine was as the political agenda was at that time. It favoured the German "superiority" which refleced in their tank designs and an approach of qualitiy above quantity.

Anyways,
although I'm late, welcome to world of tanks The_Challenger and best wishes form the (now dissolved :Smile_confused: ) 304th Tank Battalion (Leopard 2A4) of the German Army.

Hi,

A massive subject, good essay question :Smile_Default:  Like has been implied you would have to understand the politics and much of the "mindset" of those in power and the decision makers at the time. Shall we say some plans and ideas were "slightly off the wall".

Bigger is better was a common design approach and we are all aware at the end it was logistical supply and "over stretch" that ultimately was the problem.

Anyway we could discuss for ever and I am sure"Listy" and "Adwaenyth" would be more than happy to help with your A level History Cse :Smile_Default:  lol

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skillshin #26 Posted 07 June 2012 - 07:27 PM

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View PostThe_Challenger, on 05 June 2012 - 12:15 PM, said:

Has been asked before but no problem :Smile_Default:

Been really lucky : Was trained on Chieftain.Challenger 1 & 2, But have also driven Scorpion,FV 432, Saladin, Warrior and a Centurion. Non British- Leopard 2, M1A2, and a T72.

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May I ask, I see the leopard 2A6 as the over-all best tank in the world, is it nice to drive?

The_Challenger #27 Posted 08 June 2012 - 08:42 AM

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View Postskillshin, on 07 June 2012 - 07:27 PM, said:

May I ask, I see the leopard 2A6 as the over-all best tank in the world, is it nice to drive?

Hi,

Fantastic to drive, very easy and great cab layout.

Lot of fun :Smile_Default:

biker6991 #28 Posted 10 June 2012 - 12:34 AM

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has handlebar steering like the M1 but yes more roomie...have you considered the Chllenger 2E (the E stands for Export)...THAT is the tank the British should have brought...but was £2 million more per tank and shown to the Qtarys, i was in Lulworth and drove it on the ranges during the "sales Pitch" to them it is more roomy and the vehicle was/is FANTASTIC, compact version of the leopard 2 engine, handlebar steering, which has phnumatic adjuster to change from closed down to opened up position for the driver, 6 forward 6 reveres tiptronic style gear lever, you just changed the tranmission direction via a toggle switch.full air con in the pack bay, 6 hull battires in the engine bay and leclerc style databuses in the gun system and computers too, 3 drivers sights and FLIR both forward and rear looking to save the commander turning around and commander also had full independant sight WITH thermal.

And on a side note they also demo'd the Warrior E too, the only thing "we" the UK brought was the 3 periscope hatch :(, had a 25mm bushman autocannon and uprated suspension to cope more in the dessert.

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Well i never see enough about my best tank....The Mekava...most modded and updated tank going...

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check this LINK out for tank info

MyCom_Spitfire_ #31 Posted 10 June 2012 - 02:03 PM

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Sorry to burst your bubbles guys but the best tank is the T80UD.
Blowing everything to hell since the 70s.

from a T80UD driver.

PS-all modern tanks are overated.

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View Postcoldnexusfrontline, on 10 June 2012 - 02:03 PM, said:

Sorry to burst your bubbles guys but the best tank is the T80UD.
Blowing everything to hell since the 70s.

from a T80UD driver.

PS-all modern tanks are overated.

Can you tell me why the T-80UD is best?

Looks to me as if T-84 and T-84 Oplot-M are better in literally every way.

T-84 Oplot-M seems like a very formidable tank compared to any other tank in the world to be honest.

Edited by Helskga, 10 June 2012 - 05:19 PM.


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Also unlike common sterotypes Russian tanks are every bit as good as American,British an others tanks.

My unit is getting the Arena defense system when it comes out.
With the speed limit off we can reach speeds over 110kmh.
We have the best tank missles in the world and crews to with them,not to mention hard to penetrate frontally.Although I no longer serve,i still recieve updates from my friends in my old unit.

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View Postcoldnexusfrontline, on 10 June 2012 - 06:02 PM, said:

Also unlike common sterotypes Russian tanks are every bit as good as American,British an others tanks.

My unit is getting the Arena defense system when it comes out.
With the speed limit off we can reach speeds over 110kmh.
We have the best tank missles in the world and crews to with them,not to mention hard to penetrate frontally.Although I no longer serve,i still recieve updates from my friends in my old unit.


Guys,

There is another topic for discussing what you consider 'Best" please use that to post in.

Thanks :Smile_Default:

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But honestly,I dont like sterotypes on Russian tanks.

Back to tank talk,
wasnt the sherman near the same height as King Tiger?.

Edited by The_Challenger, 10 June 2012 - 08:34 PM.


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View Postcoldnexusfrontline, on 10 June 2012 - 07:33 PM, said:

But honestly,I dont like sterotypes on Russian tanks.

Back to tank talk,
wasnt the sherman near the same height as King Tiger?.

Hi,

Don't really know what you mean by "stereotyping" I have many posts referring to some of the amazing features and specs of Russian Tank Design, like I said before it's dissecting the vehicle not the Nation we are interested in. :Smile_Default:

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Edited by The_Challenger, 10 June 2012 - 08:48 PM.


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View PostThe_Challenger, on 10 June 2012 - 08:38 PM, said:

Hi,

Don't really know what you mean by "stereotyping" I have many posts referring to some of the amazing features and specs of Russian Tank Design, like I said before it's dissecting the vehicle not the Nation we are interested in. :Smile_Default:

Thanks
I would like the oppurtinuity to ask if the challenger 2 has good accuracy on the move and its road speed if I may.Im looking to get at job at the British army,my knowledge and first hand experince of Russian tanks might prove a factor in later anti tank tactics.

AND HOW high is the sherman compared to the Tiger2?.That question has been bugging me:)

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View Postcoldnexusfrontline, on 10 June 2012 - 09:33 PM, said:

I would like the oppurtinuity to ask if the challenger 2 has good accuracy on the move and its road speed if I may.Im looking to get at job at the British army,my knowledge and first hand experince of Russian tanks might prove a factor in later anti tank tactics.

AND HOW high is the sherman compared to the Tiger2?.That question has been bugging me:)

Hi,

CR2 is very good at firing on the move, with practice :Smile_Default:  thanks to the Gyro stabilized sight, certainly a vast improvement over CR1.

Max speed, there are various figures quoted but its about 59km/h on the road.

The Sherman M4 is 9ft or 2.74m in height and the Tiger 2 is 10 ft 2 ins or 3.09 m. So surprisingly not a great deal between them.

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Edited by The_Challenger, 11 June 2012 - 11:00 AM.


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View PostTodd, on 11 June 2012 - 12:20 PM, said:

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Brilliant, Thanks Todd :Smile_Default:

Edited by The_Challenger, 11 June 2012 - 12:41 PM.





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