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SuperBidi #81 Posted 14 June 2012 - 10:58 AM

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View Postikiralight, on 13 June 2012 - 11:46 PM, said:

Damage: 400/400/515 HP
Penetration: 269/381/60 mm
Rate of Fire: 6.45 r/m
Accuracy: 0.35 m
Aim Time: 2 s
Elevation:  -8°/+15°

You forgot :
Traverse speed : 30
Turret traverse speed : 32
Max speed : 37
Hp/tons : around 16

So, I see many domains in which T-62A will gladly beat T110.
Or, we can continue comparison :
Damage: 750/750/950 HP
Penetration: 287/329/90 mm
Rate of Fire: 3.5 r/m
Accuracy: 0.39 m
Aim Time: 2.9 s
So, anything better than the Object ? Nothing beats BL-10, but many tanks beats Object.
If you want a big gun, play TD.
If you want a all round tank, with good armor, play heavy.
If you want a nimble tank, play med.
They don't have the same use on the battle field, and I'll be happy if heavies still remains the main battle tank in WoT, as it's their purpose. Meds should be efficient in wolf packs, maybe 3 or 4 per CW roster, not much or the game will change drastically in some arcade game I don't want to play.

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Well, speculations aside. We know that:

T10 patton will have more armor than T-62A
T-62a will be longer and wider than T-54
It will share 54s weakspots(maybe not the machinegun slits) including frontally-accesible ammo behind 100mm of paper. (while E50 gets transmission moved to the back...)
Gun will be crappy and share the lack of gun depression with T-54
It will go 50 tops

Honestly i can see no way to balance it...

theta0123 #83 Posted 14 June 2012 - 04:10 PM

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View Postmarcusanton, on 14 June 2012 - 10:19 AM, said:

Just for fun and some info on how 'good' the IRL T-62 was.

http://www.youtube.c...4Q&feature=plcp
This guy his video's are a load of crap and i see many facts wich are wrong

RussianBias #84 Posted 14 June 2012 - 04:22 PM

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View Postmarcusanton, on 14 June 2012 - 10:19 AM, said:

Just for fun and some info on how 'good' the IRL T-62 was.

http://www.youtube.c...4Q&feature=plcp
- m103 http://www.youtube.c...&feature=relmfu:Smile_veryhappy: So?
REAL american military about t62 http://www.youtube.c...h?v=6NffRGPIQ7s:Smile_smile:

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View PostLord_WC, on 14 June 2012 - 10:25 AM, said:

Pretend? Really, try to do some more battles in meds. You don't know everything about tanks and especially you don't play perfectly to pass judgement on subjective matters. Even more so if the tendency you have with t-54 is the same for all your meds - dealing low damage per battles. A lot of people play more agressively and are able to damage stuff with low pen guns.

There's a huge difference between 'doing damage' and absolutely crippling/killing the tank.
The t-54 has horrible front armor, and any t8 who bothered to learn about aiming will shoot it through. This is not the case with e50, he has awesome armor against trash and no weakspots frontally.
The dpm of t-54 is the lowest of the bunch, so you receive much more damage than you  are supposed to - while patton/batchat will just outdpm anything it encounters.

According to my encounters in t8 meds against t9 meds the skill gap needed to kill the t9 is much-much less in case of t54 than any other. T-54 is a true t9 med. The rest are t9,5. Now when they nerf it even more when introducing the t10 meds and top it off with minor upgrades, the tank will be so much behind its competitors it's not even funny.

But play a few hundred more rounds in the tank and remember those moments when you actually meet people of comparable (or higher) skill level. While you should have the quality advantage you will just take too much damage or yellow modules.
Uhm, looking at your stats, I'd say you're the one that needs to learn how to play mediums. Your T-44 stats are horrible with 1135 damage and 740 xp per match. Your T-54 stats aren't impressive either with 1604 damage and 842 xp per match. Dealing low damage isn't a problem related to the tank, it's a problem related to the driver. My T-44 stats are at 1490 and 890, respectively. T-54 stats at 1623 and 856. That's better stats than you and my T-54 isn't even elite yet.

If you want, you can take whatever tier 8 medium, pick a map and fight my non-elite T-54. I'd like to see you "cripple" it.

View PostSuperBidi, on 14 June 2012 - 10:58 AM, said:

You forgot :
Traverse speed : 30
Turret traverse speed : 32
Max speed : 37
Hp/tons : around 16

They don't have the same use on the battle field, and I'll be happy if heavies still remains the main battle tank in WoT, as it's their purpose. Meds should be efficient in wolf packs, maybe 3 or 4 per CW roster, not much or the game will change drastically in some arcade game I don't want to play.
Exactly my point. Comparing it to the stats of an object is idiotic, they serve different roles. The T110 fulfils quite a few of the roles that mediums generally take. It has good DPM, accuracy and aiming time; making it great for support. It can brawl pretty well because it's turning speed is by no means slow and the front armor is great. It can relocate quite fast because it's by no means slow.


Beating the armor stats is borderline impossible for a medium, beating the gun's stats is hard due to the good DPM and accuracy/aiming time. That leaves you with mobility. gg, batchat wins, all other tier 10 mediums are inferior.

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View PostBarkmann, on 14 June 2012 - 10:46 AM, said:

Soo devs will make great tank for wot from crap tank... nice... Tier 10...

Please post some evidence (photos, videos... anything) of E-50 ausf M epic performance?

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View PostRussianBias, on 14 June 2012 - 04:22 PM, said:

The guy has some good points, but there are so many factual errors it's not even funny.

View PostRussianBias, on 14 June 2012 - 04:22 PM, said:

REAL american military about t62 http://www.youtube.c...h?v=6NffRGPIQ7s :Smile_smile:
Now THAT was interesting. Though to be fair, I think Soviet army would find just as many disadvantages on the M60, thanks to different conceptions.

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T-62 cant be that bad since it was still used in 2008 Ossetia conflict. Although i dislike the fact that they always put some prototypes of real tanks into the game, could there be production model T-62 coming later, tier 11? :tongue:

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View PostHopeinen, on 14 June 2012 - 07:34 PM, said:

T-62 cant be that bad since it was still used in 2008 Ossetia conflict. Although i dislike the fact that they always put some prototypes of real tanks into the game, could there be production model T-62 coming later, tier 11? :tongue:



it's no T-62A sir

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View Postikiralight, on 14 June 2012 - 04:43 PM, said:

If you want, you can take whatever tier 8 medium, pick a map and fight my non-elite T-54. I'd like to see you "cripple" it.


The T110 fulfils quite a few of the roles that mediums generally take. It has good DPM, accuracy and aiming time; making it great for support. It can brawl pretty well because it's turning speed is by no means slow and the front armor is great. It can relocate quite fast because it's by no means slow.
Beating the armor stats is borderline impossible for a medium, beating the gun's stats is hard due to the good DPM and accuracy/aiming time. That leaves you with mobility. gg, batchat wins, all other tier 10 mediums are inferior.

Tbh good P2 could go and cripple you by hitting your ammo once or twice...you will win, but you will leave pretty beaten up. Also, be carefull about that. T8 medium is lorraine, and im pretty sure non-elite T-54 would get its ass handed to it. (ram-dakka-dakka ramming lets you even bounce once! :) )

Well, mobility or gun agility and fast aim so you can nible at it in difficult terrain. But T110 never should have entered WoT. Its basically T11 medium.

Edited by mamlas, 14 June 2012 - 10:33 PM.


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Some people here are trying to tell me that T62 was good tank soo I will tell you something... Read more about this tank... I will tell you why this tank was crapy.

1. Engine had not enought power
2. Worse mobility than T54
3. Reload speed was maximum 4 shoots per minute when tank dosnt move. When he move it was only 2 shoots...
4. To reload turrent must be blocked and reload is possible only when gun is in position 3 degrees
5. Russian knew that this  tank isnt good and they ended production earlier than production of T55.

Proof: War Egipt against Israel showed that this tank is worse than older west tanks like Centurion or M48.
In wot we get T62A with 100 mm gun soo there will be no problem with reload now... but what will be with mobility? top speed? It will be slower T54 with better gun and more hp yes? or there are some facts that i dont know? I know that because of balance devs can make that tank same good like E50 or even batchat but what is the sense to give us tank that wasnt too good in real and make it very good in game?
There was that great prototype OBJ430 that is best canditate for tier 10 med for russ tree. It dont even need any buffs and something like that. Real stats were enought. If T62A get buff for speed or acceleration it will be unfair against american meds that always get historical top speed and I will not accept it.

Someone here was showing that some armies use T62 even now. They dont use it because its good construction. They use it because they dont have money for better tanks. I can say that new versions of T62 are good with more armour engines and antitank missles... but first versions were crapy.

Edit: Forgot to say that what is sense to add tank without his gun which was 115 gun? Construction of T62 was based on 115mm gun and it was build for that gun... Soo what sense is to add that tank wit 100mm gun? Its like giving T54 gun from T34/85...

Edited by Barkmann, 14 June 2012 - 11:31 PM.


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View PostBarkmann, on 14 June 2012 - 11:01 PM, said:


Proof: War Egipt against Israel showed that this tank is worse than older west tanks like Centurion or M48.


Someone here was showing that some armies use T62 even now. They dont use it because its good construction. They use it because they dont have money for better tanks. I can say that new versions of T62 are good with more armour engines and antitank missles... but first versions were crapy.

Israelis had better training and motivation then the Arab armies they fought, and T-55 or t-62 were not made for long range battles, thats why T-72B, T-80 and T-90 have ATGMs which can be fired from the main guns.

Russia has nearly 10,000 T-72s and over 2000 T-80s, but T-62 still sees use as a support tank along with those, reasons i dont know. But the fact is that many countries still have the T-55 in storage for supporting roles in case they would need to go to war.

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it's no T-62A sir
Nope, but since WoT likes to have prototypes its close enough, and i did post that i have hope for someday getting the ready T-62 model(s) in to the game.

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T-62 never was a "solo" tank, it was created to support T-54/55 VS new west tanks like M60... T-62 was more a TD than a tank because was created with antitank role to support older 100mm tanks, you only need see that T-62 needs elevate gun to reload and has lower ROF... true advantage in T-62 was gun, nothing more.

In game... i expect see it more in the actual E50 role but better, you know, E50 as support med in 2nd line of a med swarm is the best use for it and see T-62A.... good gun (sure better than actual E50 105mm) good frontal armor (turret looks impenetrable) and small, enough to be a good "TD" with turret... as medium tank maybe is not as T-54 because is a little longer and i dont expect see it with a better engine (maybe a 750hp to compensate weight increase??? 4-5 tons more) but sure better than E50M.

Lets see what devs do with T-62A.

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T62A as a tier 10 medium need to be something more than secound line tank. It is 10 tier! it needs to be able to fight against tier 10 HT 1 vs 1.

Noone will exp 200k exp and 6 milions credits for secound line tank... Medium tank tier 10 should be something like AMX50B. Fast, good mobility, accurate gun, fast reload, and better spotting than HT. nothing more. Armour is not so important. T62A with 100mm front armour on tier 10 isnt too much. In my opinion E50M will be better Med than T62A. It will be faster and will have better mobility. Probably it will have same gun like now but with more pennetration. It could have faster reload. Same will be probably with otther meds soo i dont think the gun of T62A will be soo good.

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Squadman has given a good overview of the production T-62. The main problem with it was that (surprisingly for the Soviets) they didn't get the production costs down. It was a marginal improvement on the T54/55 (aside from the gun) and yet it cost more than 2x as much! For that sort of money, they could just order 3/4 of a T-64. Now a T-64 in WoT... That would be something. Even the prototype would rape everything all day long.

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Why are people judging these new mediums before they have even implemented in the game? Nobody knows their stats yet (except armor), im 100% sure they will be in good balance against other tier 10 vehicles, just as the tier 9 mediums are against other tier 9 vehicles. Please stop whining.

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View Postmamlas, on 12 June 2012 - 09:08 AM, said:

Hmm, not really impressed by the armor specs. Sides/rear will still let HE through...now even front might let arty HE in(100 under no angle from arty shell...yay!). Front of turret will still get penned, even more so now.(tumor) Not like any T9/10 which will you encounter all the time has less than 250 pen nowadays :/ And same model means same stupid ammo rack hits from the front:/

Hope it improves in mobility/gun department. Else its just not worth it to go one mm tier up.

EDIT: ist it the other way around, shouldnt this be T9 nad T-54 T10? because that tank is just paper
hohoho all german tier 9/10 are well below 250mm pen except JT

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View PostEeti, on 15 June 2012 - 02:13 PM, said:

Why are people judging these new mediums before they have even implemented in the game? Nobody knows their stats yet (except armor), im 100% sure they will be in good balance against other tier 10 vehicles, just as the tier 9 mediums are against other tier 9 vehicles. Please stop whining.

I will tell you why im whinnig... there are many fans of T62 soo i hope i will not harm anyone my words...
What is the sens addind T62 without his 115mm gun? T62a was a prototype with 100mm gun but T62 was made for 115 gun... Its size, its mobility and everything is because of 115mm gun. I will tell you example. Its like addind IS-7 with Bl-9. in the future we will get T-72 with 100mm gun... ok its a joke but who knows.

Wonder how will they balance that tank. It will be a bit stupid for me when 100mm front armour will bounce much more because of balance... it will get forcefield or what? I dont like fact that now in game sometime i ding or hit french tanks for 0 from my IS4 or T110.
Same i dont like idea to add speed because of balance like it was with T54... Why patton has historical speed and T54 no?
Stats that need to be balanced only should be reload speed accurancy and pentration nothing more.

Edited by Barkmann, 15 June 2012 - 04:37 PM.


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for PITY SAKE PEOPLE

THE T62a

and T62
ARE completly diffrent VEHICLES

The obyect 140 and 165 where designed to modernize the T-55 with stronger turret armour, smoother suspension and a new 100mm gun. This is the T62a

The T-62 is a completly diffrent vehicle like its turret for example, and the 115mm gun

STOP calling the T62a the prototype of the T62.

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View Posttheta0123, on 15 June 2012 - 03:35 PM, said:

for PITY SAKE PEOPLE

THE T62a

and T62
ARE completly diffrent VEHICLES

The obyect 140 and 165 where designed to modernize the T-55 with stronger turret armour, smoother suspension and a new 100mm gun. This is the T62a

The T-62 is a completly diffrent vehicle like its turret for example, and the 115mm gun

STOP calling the T62a the prototype of the T62.

Difrences beetwen T62a and T62 and T54 arent soo big only gun and in T62a nad t62 is bit better armour on turrent. that 240mm is only mantlet.

edit: I know that this is more advanced construction than t54 but in WoT most important things are armour, accurancy, penetration and speed for meds. In that case T62A dont give you more than T54 but maybe its enought with better gun we will see.

Edited by Barkmann, 15 June 2012 - 10:14 PM.