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Should the M5 get weapons from the M8A1

  1. no. (118 votes [43.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 43.38%

  2. Yes, the 57mm. (75 votes [27.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.57%

  3. yes, the lower 75mm. (30 votes [11.03%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.03%

  4. yes, both. (49 votes [18.01%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.01%

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Jukelo #21 Posted 19 July 2012 - 05:46 PM

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View PostTheExtremist, on 19 July 2012 - 05:43 PM, said:

Well, the M5 looks a lot less impressive than tier 5 tanks of other nations.

Good thing it's a tier 4 then :D

Tenkaido #22 Posted 20 July 2012 - 04:54 PM

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View PostJukelo, on 19 July 2012 - 05:46 PM, said:

Good thing it's a tier 4 then :D

Sorry, my mistake. It is indeed a tier 4 tank. :Smile_ohmy:

Slyspy #23 Posted 27 July 2012 - 08:01 PM

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I find that the M5 is largely unable to kill anything, even arty, in the tiers in which it usually competes. Neither the 37mm or the howitzer is effective. Also the acceleration is slow IMO, the agility poor and the speed bleeds off really easily.

Kyrie__Eleison #24 Posted 29 July 2012 - 07:49 PM

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I find that the M5 is very effective tank, and played properly have great influence on the battle outcome. Never felt it underpowered. 62 WR ratio, playing alone, only randoms, this is one of my best results of all tanks.
I was sad to sell it because its really nice and fun tank to play.
But Chaffee is even better than that so I dont regret any more.

But if someone really struggle with this tank and don't like it at all, then I doubt if there is any sense to grind through to Chaffee as it might be the same disappointment.

My first scout tank line was Leo and VK2801. But I was stupid noob at that time, didn't played it properly, and I remember how disguised I was when I finally got the VK. I wrote some bitter words about it.
At that time someone should have replied to me "L2P noob, then comment" and he would be right.

Now I put VK2801 and Chaffee as the best tanks in the game. I also think all the scout tanks are great, including M5. And if someone criticize them then it remind me myself few months ago and I'm thinking "L2P noob" ;)

Edited by VirginMary, 29 July 2012 - 07:51 PM.


Bundin #25 Posted 13 August 2012 - 08:08 PM

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View PostEctar, on 15 June 2012 - 10:16 AM, said:

M5 is a good scout teaching you how to avoid trouble before you move into the Chaffee. It's fine the way it is as it's a training tank basically.  Getting the Chaffee without understanding how to avoid trouble would make the it difficult to handle and you'd see to many players trying to use it as a sniper or something just as bad.
I would completely agree with you, except for the fact that this thing cannot reliably kill a tier4 arty when the opportunity arises. I enjoy passive scouting while keeping an eye out for a clear lane to enemy arty when everyone else is too busy fighting each other (or there's nothing to scout at my spot). But when I actually reach the arty, I'm generally toast. Today, I've lobbed about 6 75mm HE shells into a tier 4 French arty and I was unable to kill it. The average damage per shot was below 40. And that was on the sides mostly. It all took long enough for 2 others to come to the arty's defense and kill me. Arty survived with 9 hp.

Different battle: side of an M3 Stuart. Hit the thing 3x, did about 30 damage per shot.

This tank definitely does NOT need a massive gun. The 57mm would be overkill. Ideally, you only shoot very soft targets. But it SHOULD be able to reliably engage any arty it meets on the battlefield, at least from the side (from the front as well tbh, arty is supposed to be squishy)  and currently it simply cannot do that. The HE shells from the 75mm end up being pretty much useless after several rounds of changes/patches.

So either it needs a different gun, or one of the current guns needs a buff. It cannot fulfill all of its roles on the battlefield without a buff of some sort.

Edit: Played a few more battles and no matter what I meet, if it's tier 4, I'm dead. If it's tier 3, I'm dead in at least 30% of the cases. The 75mm is a sad joke.

Edited by Bundin, 13 August 2012 - 10:11 PM.


taishidaioh #26 Posted 15 August 2012 - 11:53 AM

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I voted no.

To be honest, I'm really not good as a scout. I do my best to become a decent scout, but it requires really good knowledge of all the maps and I still only have something around 500+ battles, so quite inexperienced.
Nevertheless, I don't feel like the M5 needs an upgrade in form of a gun. I killed a Tiger II with the gun I have, so I am completely content with it.
I do wish it would be a bit more agile, though. It's really hard to evade shots from the big tanks, when you hardly can drive around a corner without falling to half speed.

Or maybe that's just my lack of skill https://forum.worldo...Smile_smile.gif

Skulduggery11 #27 Posted 26 August 2012 - 08:23 PM

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I say yes to 57mm, but perhaps make the range less, as M5 is scout, not sniper. also, it's an alternative for the derp 75mm. Which is, in my opinion, superior all the way.

Narwhal #28 Posted 03 September 2012 - 03:16 PM

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The M5 is one of my favorite tanks with the T-28 (another underrated tank). With the howitzer, it is uncommon but not rare that I have 5, 6 or 7 kills in one match if I am top tier. I often have a kill if I am middle tier.

War_of_Genius #29 Posted 06 September 2012 - 03:10 AM

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View PostIllustriousBMG, on 15 June 2012 - 08:37 AM, said:

So it'd basically be a copy of the M8A1? How about no.

The M5 isn't supposed to fight other tanks like the M8A1. It's restricted to the role of scouting, and killing arty when the opportunity arises. So I don't think that buff is going to happen.

It is a decent scout, but it fails to kill arty. :o

See it this way: new players will buy this tank. They do not have the experience, the trained crew, the skill, nor the equipment to go scouting (except suicide scouting, but that's bs). So why should anybody have to go scouting? Luchs/Leopard/VK2801, t-50/T-50-2 r dead ends, anybody going there knows what he is doing. But why do people have to go scouting if they jsut want to advance in the tech tree? That's just bad gamedesign.

//what Bundin wrote!

Edited by General_Jack_D_Ripper, 06 September 2012 - 03:13 AM.


Unkel_Dolan #30 Posted 06 September 2012 - 08:16 AM

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I'm having fun with mine. When there's a lot of people online I even get a fair amount of T4 battles. Otherwise the howitzer is a bit weak but it has its moments. I flanked and killed an AMX 50 100 last week end, gotta love the French armor :)

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Voted yes to both, as that would make this tank even more awesomesauce :D

Edit: I have played it only solo with no gold consumables or ammo.

Edited by Fimbulvinter, 13 September 2012 - 03:42 PM.


manpleb #32 Posted 13 September 2012 - 06:57 PM

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It's fine as it is. I can say that now I finally got my Chaffee after 150 M5 battles. Maybe when I was still grinding I might have voted differently, and during the last 10 games or so when it seemed to be high-tier battles all the time.

Now I just have to start all over again with the Chaffee. Stock?  Not good.

Belieber_PL #33 Posted 13 September 2012 - 09:55 PM

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View Postmanpleb, on 13 September 2012 - 06:57 PM, said:

It's fine as it is. I can say that now I finally got my Chaffee after 150 M5 battles. Maybe when I was still grinding I might have voted differently, and during the last 10 games or so when it seemed to be high-tier battles all the time.

Now I just have to start all over again with the Chaffee. Stock?  Not good.
Chaffee is in my opinion the best tank in the game when elite.
It can hurt pretty much any tank except Maus and E-100, and it's got great camo, great DPM, great view range and an insane turn radius.
You have something to look forward to.

Wenceslas #34 Posted 16 September 2012 - 06:11 PM

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Personally I dislike the M5 light, after the M3 light it just seems like a downgrade. However I reached the point of not caring a while back.

Perhaps though they can reduce the ridiculous amount of experience needed to reach the M24 Chaffee. Almost 56,000 is a bit stupid I think. Yeah I know its a good tank, but seriously does it really need to be so high? :S About all that seems to do is make the tank a bit rare. (Well I've certainly not come across half as many as other tanks)

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View PostWenceslas, on 16 September 2012 - 06:11 PM, said:

Personally I dislike the M5 light, after the M3 light it just seems like a downgrade. However I reached the point of not caring a while back.

Perhaps though they can reduce the ridiculous amount of experience needed to reach the M24 Chaffee. Almost 56,000 is a bit stupid I think. Yeah I know its a good tank, but seriously does it really need to be so high? :S About all that seems to do is make the tank a bit rare. (Well I've certainly not come across half as many as other tanks)
Yes, it actually needs to be that high.
Now most people that don't know how to drive lights, will just give up on the M5, so we get less baddies in Chaffees, which is good, as we don't need any more suicidal scouts in high tier matches.

Wenceslas #36 Posted 18 September 2012 - 05:12 PM

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View PostFimbulvinter, on 17 September 2012 - 01:11 PM, said:

Yes, it actually needs to be that high.
Now most people that don't know how to drive lights, will just give up on the M5, so we get less baddies in Chaffees, which is good, as we don't need any more suicidal scouts in high tier matches.

I can understand the logic behind that, theres nothing more annoying than people who think scouting means basically just run straight into the enemy and explode. But its damned frustrating. I would have thought 30,000 would have been more appropriate.

Mind you I'm just over 20,000 experience in, I am not giving up now! :D

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View PostWenceslas, on 18 September 2012 - 05:12 PM, said:

I can understand the logic behind that, theres nothing more annoying than people who think scouting means basically just run straight into the enemy and explode. But its damned frustrating. I would have thought 30,000 would have been more appropriate.

Mind you I'm just over 20,000 experience in, I am not giving up now! :D

Well, the research costs are nor that high, because people shouldn't play a tank they can't play. They are so high, because it's an end line tank and in reality it's a T6,5 tank or something like that and it should cost as much xp as grinding from t4 to t6/t7.

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View PostFimbulvinter, on 13 September 2012 - 03:40 PM, said:

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Voted yes to both, as that would make this tank even more awesomesauce :D

Edit: I have played it only solo with no gold consumables or ammo.
I would like to see your results after you have finished the grind to M24 Chaffee.
I'm asking because 5 battles are too few samples in order to judge on a players or vehicles abilities.

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View PostAlexeiy, on 19 September 2012 - 07:54 AM, said:

Well, the research costs are nor that high, because people shouldn't play a tank they can't play. They are so high, because it's an end line tank and in reality it's a T6,5 tank or something like that and it should cost as much xp as grinding from t4 to t6/t7.

I suppose I can understand that. I hope its worth the grind.

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View Postazakow, on 19 September 2012 - 10:32 AM, said:

I would like to see your results after you have finished the grind to M24 Chaffee.
I'm asking because 5 battles are too few samples in order to judge on a players or vehicles abilities.

He is the next Chaffee star ^^

..waiting for breaking 3k Chaffee battles. Azakow will be there sooner tho'.





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