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Gangerr #1 Posted 17 June 2012 - 09:43 PM

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I like to keep ahead on the news from around the globe and one thing that seems to stands out is the murder rate in the united states especially police murders.  I fail to understand as to why hundreds of police officers are killed in america every year.  So far this year in the united states they have been 46 police officers who died while on duty, 25 of them killed by other people with the rest dieding due to illness, accidents or heart attacks and its not even july yet.  Back in 2011, 173 police officers died on duty with 67 of them shot dead.

I live in the UK and only a handful of police officers have been killed in the last 10 years, so reading news of police officers being killed almost every other day in america is quite shocking.  Whats going on, why so many killing of police over there ?

The only reason I can put it down too is the long sentences handed down to people for minor offences over there, but I really don't know.

tigerstreak #2 Posted 17 June 2012 - 09:49 PM

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the american cops can go to hideous places.
they can also pull over a car on a minor voilation, only to find they have stopped someone high on drugs with a gun...

beermonster1972 #3 Posted 17 June 2012 - 09:50 PM

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every one has a gun?

Ziddix #4 Posted 17 June 2012 - 10:11 PM

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View Postbeermonster1972, on 17 June 2012 - 09:50 PM, said:

every one has a gun?

I was gonna suggest that but I have no idea.. Never actually been there but that's what everyone keeps saying =p

Jukelo #5 Posted 17 June 2012 - 10:14 PM

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Why limit yourself to small crimes when you know you'll get the death row anyway ;)

Ecotech #6 Posted 17 June 2012 - 10:14 PM

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Because they live and work in a country where criminals are using guns as good or better as the police does.

Greedi #7 Posted 17 June 2012 - 10:26 PM

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Why bother? It's fair enough because many people killed by cops too. (About 10 Times more)

DougHole #8 Posted 18 June 2012 - 09:50 AM

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Everyone is so fat in America police officers are frequently rolled to death

DingIsHere #9 Posted 18 June 2012 - 10:20 AM

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They still have the "Right to Defend", which roughly translates into the right to bear arms, enshrined in their Constitution.

In most, but not all States, all you need is a driving licence to get a gun permit, and a few hundred dollars to buy a legal gun at a dealers.

There are a few States that now add a few more requirements, along the lines of "not being convicted for armed robbery", but forgot to mention "any other firearms/drugs/rape/knife related crime",

so.... as long as you dont rob a shop with your gun, they won't take it off you... they can't...


A mate of mine, years ago, was applying to Sandhurst, so went on a sort of "fortnights introduction" course...
still a civilian, not yet in the Army, they went to Northern Ireland (when the IRA were still serious),
everyone of the civvys was armed with a standard issue pistol for personal safety,
after this he went on holiday in California...
he came back and said he wished he went to Northern Ireland unarmed and took the pistol to the States instead...


Personally I beleive its more to do with Drive-Thru-MacDonalds morphing into Drive-By-Shootings, well.. thats what eating a Big-Mac makes me feel like doing....

The_Chieftain #10 Posted 22 June 2012 - 01:56 PM

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Could be worse. Could be just South of the border where the smaller population country of Mexico (with no right to bear arms) had over 700 police killed last year. Violence in the US has a number of root causes, but the right to legally own a firearm is pretty low on the list. The real reasons are more cultural.

View PostDingIsHere, on 18 June 2012 - 10:20 AM, said:

They still have the "Right to Defend", which roughly translates into the right to bear arms, enshrined in their Constitution.

In most, but not all States, all you need is a driving licence to get a gun permit, and a few hundred dollars to buy a legal gun at a dealers.

There are a few States that now add a few more requirements, along the lines of "not being convicted for armed robbery", but forgot to mention "any other firearms/drugs/rape/knife related crime",

so.... as long as you dont rob a shop with your gun, they won't take it off you... they can't...


There is a fair level of 'wrong' in this post.. For starters, convicted felons can't own a firearm, period. Doesn't matter what you were convicted of, and it's not State specific. See 18 US.Code § 922. There are other restrictions, both Federal and State.

Secondly, the 'right to defend' is not in the Constitution. It's in both Federal and State common law and in most State legislation. The right to bear arms, which is in the Constitution, is not limited to individual defence, and is both protected at the Federal level, and in the Constiutitions of most States.

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View PostDingIsHere, on 18 June 2012 - 10:20 AM, said:

They still have the "Right to Defend", which roughly translates into the right to bear arms, enshrined in their Constitution.

Chieftan already answered you fairly well here

View PostDingIsHere, on 18 June 2012 - 10:20 AM, said:

In most, but not all States, all you need is a driving licence to get a gun permit, and a few hundred dollars to buy a legal gun at a dealers.

Chieftain touched on the requirements, but let me explain more:

First off, I dont know how many of you have been to the US, and unless youve lived there for several years, or are just into guns, know much about US weapon customs. Besides a license, a person needs to be of 21 years of age, wait 3 months (i think) and have no previous felonies. Also, any halfway decent gun in the US can cost you +$1000, or over ~800€. not only that but ammunition is also extremely expensive, some of the hunting grade stuff is ~$3.50 a shot, so your fully loaded Glock 17 is already costing you a good 800€.
*note this is legally; black market firearms are much cheaper, not that i'd know :Smile-hiding:

View PostDingIsHere, on 18 June 2012 - 10:20 AM, said:

There are a few States that now add a few more requirements, along the lines of "not being convicted for armed robbery", but forgot to mention "any other firearms/drugs/rape/knife related crime",

already answered

View PostDingIsHere, on 18 June 2012 - 10:20 AM, said:

so.... as long as you dont rob a shop with your gun, they won't take it off you... they can't...

They can, you have a right to bear arms...responsibly. I've heard of guys having game wardens, basically hunting police, take guns away for petty things, such as being able to load 4 rounds in a shotgun, instead of the legal 3. not just for having 4 rounds, but for being able to do it. He has yet to see that gun after i think 4 years now?

View PostDingIsHere, on 18 June 2012 - 10:20 AM, said:

A mate of mine, years ago, was applying to Sandhurst, so went on a sort of "fortnights introduction" course...
still a civilian, not yet in the Army, they went to Northern Ireland (when the IRA were still serious),
everyone of the civvys was armed with a standard issue pistol for personal safety,
after this he went on holiday in California...
he came back and said he wished he went to Northern Ireland unarmed and took the pistol to the States instead...
thats california, its run by a f**king action movie star that inspired Rambo. what did he expect?

View PostDingIsHere, on 18 June 2012 - 10:20 AM, said:

Personally I beleive its more to do with Drive-Thru-MacDonalds morphing into Drive-By-Shootings, well.. thats what eating a Big-Mac makes me feel like doing....
you feel like shokting MacDonalds after eating there? go to hell you fast food hater :P jk

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Steffenkbh #12 Posted 25 June 2012 - 02:23 PM

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Why are so many police officers killed in the america?

1. Cos USA are a nation build with guns ewerybody have one and are allowed to cary it around.
2. You can buy a gun (on the black market) for the price of a McD-meal.
3. Retardet unimployed criminals can just breake into some home and steal one.
4. USA are full of bad food making ppl fat and wierd.
Ontop of those and most important: There are no social security in USA.


Compare that to Denmark, Norway or Sweeden.
1. Denmark is build with bacon and beer, and you do not cary bacon around only beer.
2. Bacon are not sold on the blacn market.
3. Unemploued retards do not need to breake into ppl's home, they can steal from the supermakret.
4. Demark is full of bacon and beer, making ppl fat and lacy, not angry and agressive.
Ontop of those Scandinavia have good social security.

Sgt_Bones #13 Posted 25 June 2012 - 04:17 PM

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Well, being from California, I kind of wonder what the heck you all are talking about!!!

Nonetheless, a few simple thoughts on the subject:

1. America is BIG. It has a very large population. A very large MIXED CULTURE population. And I don't need to google to know that it has a much larger population than the UK.

2. The UK has very strict gun laws...only certain types of guns are allowed in private hands. Of course, criminals don't care about those laws, do they? But it seems the UK criminals spend more time shooting each other in fights over limited territories than the average american criminal does, the american criminal just shoots way too much police officers! (and this could be quite true!)

3. I know of only 3 personal friends who have seen or been in a shoot out in america, and 2 of them are Cops. One just happened to be in the wrong place at the right time. And I come from a suburb of Los Angeles. Of course, America being the size it is means you have a lot more places where a shoot out can occur on any given day, so it makes sense that a lot can happen.

4. What about other countries in the world that perhaps don't publish information concerning such crimes? Mexico, woah, now there is a can of worms...several friends of mine have been threatened by Mexican police WITH GUNS just because they were driving a nice car, after paying the "Officer" a small "Tax" they were allowed to drive off...wonder how many never got to drive away?

Long story short: It's all relative to how you look at facts and interpret data....just like stats in WoT!!!!  :Smile_veryhappy:

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View PostGreedi, on 17 June 2012 - 10:26 PM, said:

Why bother? It's fair enough because many people killed by cops too. (About 10 Times more)
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=PetqKh7lr8g

Let me guess, All cops are bastards?


bah!

Szah #15 Posted 25 June 2012 - 07:24 PM

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USA is more or less equal to Europe. The WHOLE OF IT. So it's naive not to sum up all of our countries together when comparing.

Plus crime, at least violent crime, is heavily influenced by social discrepancies and divisions. Generally equal people, on some level of social well-being don't shoot (harm extensively) each other. That's why Mexico or Colombia are dangerous and Germany or Poland isn't.

Anyway I'd say most US territory is a safe heaven compared to parts of Birmingham or London :-P

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well if i ever go to america i'm gunna bring not just my handgun but also my tank division from WOT, since i heard some even got RPGs (obviously these weapons are illegal but some just don't obey the laws or agreements)

and i've seen clips where they duke it out with field guns ranging from 37mm babies to whoopin' 21cm bastards.

some got gatlings others got the go' ol' trusty Ma Deuce, i mean if you want a new civil war, it ain't really hard to start since you are suffocating in firepower.

don't blame me if you see me drive with my heavy tank on the streets.

JayJay4466 #17 Posted 29 June 2012 - 11:34 AM

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If you haven't seen it, i'd strongly recommend giving the film "Bowling For Columbine" a watch.

Its a Michael Moore film that looks at the gun culture in the US in the wake of the Columbine Massacre. He tries to answer the question as to why there are so many shootings in the US.

Its a very interesting watch.

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It is also highly biased and misleading. There are various debunking websites you can visit.

About the only thing he gets right is the fact that Canada also has lots of guns, but less crime, thus indicating that there are more issues at play than just guns.

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View PostJayJay4466, on 29 June 2012 - 11:34 AM, said:

If you haven't seen it, i'd strongly recommend giving the film "Bowling For Columbine" a watch.

Its a Michael Moore film that looks at the gun culture in the US in the wake of the Columbine Massacre. He tries to answer the question as to why there are so many shootings in the US.

Its a very interesting watch.

he also tweaks alot of footage for his point of view..he`s the film version of a forum troll

Edited by beermonster1972, 29 June 2012 - 11:38 PM.


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View PostThe_Chieftain, on 29 June 2012 - 11:29 PM, said:

It is also highly biased and misleading. There are various debunking websites you can visit.

About the only thing he gets right is the fact that Canada also has lots of guns, but less crime, thus indicating that there are more issues at play than just guns.

View Postbeermonster1972, on 29 June 2012 - 11:36 PM, said:

he also tweaks alot of footage for his point of view..he`s the film version of a forum troll

Michael Moore is consistently targeted by the neo-conservatives and christian right in the US who have made pretty stringent and sustained efforts to discredit him because of the themes of his films.

Its pretty rich that one of his main critics is Fox News, who are consistently criticised themselves because of the conservative slant present in their news broadcasting.

The main conclusion of this film centres around the "politics of fear" which has been widely discussed for many years- it has its roots in the propaganda of the Cold War. It is certainly not an invention of Michael Moore.

A particularly good examination of the phenomenom can be found in "The Power Of Nightmares" by respected British film-maker Adam Curtis.

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