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Poll: World of Battleships Tech Tree Speculation KM, IJN, USN, RN (118 members have cast votes)

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What are you looking forward to in WOB?

  1. Battleships (49 votes [12.37%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.37%

  2. Ultra Heavy Battleships (47 votes [11.87%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.87%

  3. Carriers (24 votes [6.06%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.06%

  4. Destroyers (34 votes [8.59%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.59%

  5. Cruisers (39 votes [9.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.85%

  6. Subs... lol (32 votes [8.08%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.08%

  7. Japanese Navy (33 votes [8.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.33%

  8. American Navy (26 votes [6.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.57%

  9. German Navy (47 votes [11.87%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.87%

  10. British Navy (51 votes [12.88%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.88%

  11. Russian Navy (14 votes [3.54%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.54%

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JagdTigerPanzer #1 Posted 21 June 2012 - 07:17 AM

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I made this topic on the American forums for WOT, and I thought that it would be a good idea to share it with the EU community. These trees are all made by me (AfrikaKorpsSoldat[US]/JagdtigerPanzer[EU])




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This thread is for speculation on the World of Battleships tech trees for all the different nations. Make, discuss, and share your own fan made tech trees for the upcoming game. I myself have designed what I think should be the United States Navy tech tree, along with an Imperial Japanese Navy tech tree. I've only included BBs and CVs for now.

EDIT: Added in German and British BB-CV trees.

Here they are:

USN tech tree
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IJN tech tree
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Imperial German Navy - KriegsMarine
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Royal Navy

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Any suggestions/comments? I spent quite a while coming up with these, and I would love some feedback from the community.

Coming soon: Soviet Navy.

Xindox #2 Posted 21 June 2012 - 11:15 AM

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Pfff, everybody is so excited with Bismarck :/ boooooring. The real fights were in the Pacific! And the game would be poor with carriers and planes, that little flying bastards spoil all the fun of shooting car-sized bullets within 20km range. Anyway, there is going to be a separate game for aviation!

theta0123 #3 Posted 21 June 2012 - 11:38 AM

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View PostXindox, on 21 June 2012 - 11:15 AM, said:

Pfff, everybody is so excited with Bismarck :/ boooooring. The real fights were in the Pacific! And the game would be poor with carriers and planes, that little flying bastards spoil all the fun of shooting car-sized bullets within 20km range. Anyway, there is going to be a separate game for aviation!
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with the factions included, IJN, USN and Royal navy are my biggest intrest

If other factions one day get added, IJN, USN, Royal navy, Regia marina and La royale(French navy)

And the biggest known battleships are both axis, wich all in the end proved to be bad designs because there failure to have decent AA weaponary

Bismarck had good AA guns but far to few
Yamato had tonnes of AA guns but they where far to short ranged and inaccurate

JagdTigerPanzer #4 Posted 21 June 2012 - 12:48 PM

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View Posttheta0123, on 21 June 2012 - 11:38 AM, said:

Word

with the factions included, IJN, USN and Royal navy are my biggest intrest

If other factions one day get added, IJN, USN, Royal navy, Regia marina and La royale(French navy)

And the biggest known battleships are both axis, wich all in the end proved to be bad designs because there failure to have decent AA weaponary

Bismarck had good AA guns but far to few
Yamato had tonnes of AA guns but they where far to short ranged and inaccurate
The Iowa was the second biggest built, not the Bismark.

It is however, true that the Axis came up with the biggest designs for battleships that would have displaced far more than their rivals. (Senkan Yokozuna, H44)

As far as AA is concerned, these drawbacks of the axis ships would have been fixed with the new classes of ships. The Super Yamato and H41-44 would have packed much more effective AA on board. Senkan Yokozuna would probably be on another level of AA defense all on it's own because it was designed in the 1950s. (The Soviet Project 24 was also designed in the 1950s)

Edited by JagdTigerPanzer, 21 June 2012 - 12:50 PM.


JagdTigerPanzer #5 Posted 21 June 2012 - 12:50 PM

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accident

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Frenzier #6 Posted 25 June 2012 - 11:47 PM

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give us some photos -.- and more details, like GUNS, weight and engines.

anemicflame #7 Posted 26 June 2012 - 06:47 AM

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Super yamato here I come, I will definitively start with Japanese tree.

Xindox #8 Posted 26 June 2012 - 11:52 AM

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View Postanemicflame, on 26 June 2012 - 06:47 AM, said:

Super yamato here I come, I will definitively start with Japanese tree.
I bet there will be American, USSR and German trees in the beginning :Smile-angry:

anemicflame #9 Posted 26 June 2012 - 01:58 PM

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"Commence interview. Interviewee is "producer Aleksei Levakov", which in this particular context I take to mean "project leader".]"
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"What nations will be in World of Battleships initially, and which will be added later?"

"Initially there will be vessels from the navies of the U.S. and Japan; later on, we'll add Russia/USSR, Germany, Great Britain, France, Italy, and other nations."

According that interview Japanese tree is right at the beginning and I sincerely hope so.

Full interview on Russian site:http://www.gamer.ru/...-of-battleships
Translation posted on a North american forums:http://forum.worldof...ships-producer/

Edited by anemicflame, 26 June 2012 - 01:59 PM.


Xindox #10 Posted 26 June 2012 - 09:22 PM

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View Postanemicflame, on 26 June 2012 - 01:58 PM, said:

"Commence interview. Interviewee is "producer Aleksei Levakov", which in this particular context I take to mean "project leader".]"
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"What nations will be in World of Battleships initially, and which will be added later?"

"Initially there will be vessels from the navies of the U.S. and Japan; later on, we'll add Russia/USSR, Germany, Great Britain, France, Italy, and other nations."

According that interview Japanese tree is right at the beginning and I sincerely hope so.

Full interview on Russian site:http://www.gamer.ru/...-of-battleships
Translation posted on a North american forums:http://forum.worldof...ships-producer/
So cool! In the end a decent decision by WG. Anyway, will it be Battlestations 2? :Smile_trollface-3:

theta0123 #11 Posted 26 June 2012 - 09:49 PM

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OOH man! REGGIA MARINA! LA ROYALE!

BRAVISSIMO! Tres bien!

Who knows? Dutch navy with there awesome cruisers and awesome battlecruiser programs that was almost launched?
Swedish, norwegian, finnish and danish navies with awesome coastal defense ships?

South american navies? Brazl, chile, peru  all of these even had battleships

Edited by theta0123, 26 June 2012 - 09:49 PM.


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View Posttheta0123, on 26 June 2012 - 09:49 PM, said:

Who knows? Dutch navy with there awesome cruisers and awesome battlecruiser programs that was almost launched?
Hahaha bloody well said :Smile_veryhappy:
Wait... you call De Ruyter awesome? Ah, ok, there's also Java and some others... De Ruyter was intended to be a good ship, but suffered from budget cuts. 7 150s? Errr, too little. And no torpedoes! No match for the really awesome Japanese Mogamis etc.

Grand_Moff_Tano #13 Posted 27 June 2012 - 12:50 PM

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when this game comes into Alpha the devs better put the RN, USN and JPN in first, as the Russians didn't have any carriers in WWII to my knowledge and the Kriegsmarine where outclassed by the Japanese Empire when ship design came through since I would love the Yamato and Bismark to square each other off to see who won :P

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for the H series i will post the stats they would have

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Type: Battleship Displacement:
H39: 56,444 t (55,553 long tons; 62,219 short tons)
H41: 68,800 t (67,700 long tons; 75,800 short tons)
H42: 90,000 t (89,000 long tons; 99,000 short tons)
H43: 111,000 t (109,000 long tons; 122,000 short tons) H44: 131,000 t (129,000 long tons; 144,000 short tons)[Note 1] Length:
H39: 277.8 m (911 ft 5 in)
H41: 282 m (925 ft 2 in)
H42: 305 m (1,000 ft 8 in)
H43: 330 m (1,082 ft 8 in) H44: 345 m (1,131 ft 11 in) Beam:
H39: 37 m (121 ft 5 in)
H41: 39 m (127 ft 11 in)
H42: 42.8 m (140 ft 5 in)
H43: 48 m (157 ft 6 in) H44: 51.5 m (169 ft 0 in) Draft:
H39: 10 m (32 ft 10 in)
H41: 11.1 m (36 ft 5 in)
H42: 11.8 m (38 ft 9 in)
H43: 12 m (39 ft 4 in) H44: 12.7 m (41 ft 8 in)[Note 2] Propulsion: 12 × MAN 9-cylinder diesel engines Speed:
H39: 30 knots (56 km/h) maximum
H41: 28.8 knots (53.3 km/h)
H42: 32.2 knots (59.6 km/h)
H43: 31 knots (57 km/h) H44: 30.1 knots (55.7 km/h) Range:
H39:19,200 nautical miles (35,600 km) at 19 knots (35 km/h) H41–44:20,000 nautical miles (37,000 km) at 19 knots (35 km/h) Armament:
H39: 8 × 40.6 cm (16.0 in) guns
12 × 15 cm (5.9 in) guns
16 × 10.5 cm (4.1 in) guns
16 × 3.7 cm (1.5 in)
12 × 2 cm (0.79 in) guns
H41: 8 × 42 cm (17 in) guns
12 × 15 cm (5.9 in) guns
16 × 10.5 cm (4.1 in) guns
32 × 3.7 cm (1.5 in)
12 × 2 cm (0.79 in) guns
6 × 53.3 cm (21.0 in) torpedo tubes
H42: 8 × 48 cm (19 in) guns[Note 3]
12 × 15 cm (5.9 in) guns
16 × 10.5 cm (4.1 in) guns
28 × 3.7 cm (1.5 in)
40 × 2 cm (0.79 in) guns
H43: 8 × 48 cm (19 in) guns[Note 4]
12 × 15 cm (5.9 in) guns
16 × 10.5 cm (4.1 in) guns
28 × 3.7 cm (1.5 in)
40 × 2 cm (0.79 in) guns H44: 8 × 50.8 cm (20.0 in) guns
12 × 15 cm (5.9 in) guns
16 × 10.5 cm (4.1 in) guns
28 × 3.7 cm (1.5 in)
40 × 2 cm (0.79 in) guns Aircraft carried: 4–9 Arado 196 seaplanes Aviation facilities: 1 catapult

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Name: Design A-150 Type: Battleship Displacement: Approximately 70,000 long tons (78,000 ST; 71,000 t)[1] Length: 263.0 m (863 ft) (est.) Beam: 38.9 m (128 ft) (est.) Propulsion: Unknown Armament: 6 × 510 mm (20.1 in)/45 caliber guns (2×3)[2]
"Many" 100 mm (3.9 in)/65 caliber guns[3] Armor: Possibly a 460 mm (18 in) side belt; nothing more is given in sources[4][5]


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I think you put together 4 very decent trees and I can only hope WG will put together something similar (maybe on the US tree I'd change the two South Dakota calss' order). We definitely need some designed but never built ships to fill up the trees (I love these designed but not built ones!). What I'd love to see is at least 3 capital ship lines for the major navies, like you laid out (one BB, one BC or fast BB and one CV). The CVs converted from BB or BC hulls should be reachable exactly as you drew from thoier gunship cousin.

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But what are CVs going to do? be escorted or what? If the planes are automatic, the game goes stupid, as it's under no control by player, also WG will have a great opportunity to invisibly buff Russian fleet. And what would carrier players do? sit back and watch their planes win the game?! That's even worse than arty in WoT.

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View PostXindox, on 28 June 2012 - 04:11 PM, said:

But what are CVs going to do? be escorted or what? If the planes are automatic, the game goes stupid, as it's under no control by player, also WG will have a great opportunity to invisibly buff Russian fleet. And what would carrier players do? sit back and watch their planes win the game?! That's even worse than arty in WoT.
in Naval wars in the modern age the carrier is the back bone of the fleet, and in wwii and even today they are still more powerful than Destroyers when fire power is concerned and hull strength

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Ah, you mean this... Ok, we have kinda 10 DP 120mm guns, right. But compared to their masses, the armament is nonexistent. And we're talking about the modern age.
Well, submarines were also quite important in the war, but introducing them would complicate the gameplay a lot.

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View PostXindox, on 28 June 2012 - 09:13 PM, said:

Ah, you mean this... Ok, we have kinda 10 DP 120mm guns, right. But compared to their masses, the armament is nonexistent. And we're talking about the modern age.
Well, submarines were also quite important in the war, but introducing them would complicate the gameplay a lot.
in the Modern Age, Carriers have 80-95 Fixed wing aircraft and also carry both Anti Air and Anti Ship missiles "Thats the Nimitz i'm using for example" so where's the firepower in that, in world war II the Yorktowns of that period carrier 90 planes and where armed with 8 Multi-Purpose 5inc/38s, 4 1.1inch and later 40mm guns and 24 50 caliber and later 20mm Oerlikon Cannons, so for both ages thats tons of firepower

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I'm mostly waiting for USN and IJN cruisers, though I'm also interested in some of the older battleship classes (Fuso, especially).

Under no circumstances should ships like H44 ever make it into game. Crack pot design study like that has as much reason to be in WoBS as Ratte has reason to be in WoT. Pushing down the techtree compared to OP would also give us room to fiddle with the interesting pre-dreadnoughts and other pre-WW1 ships at low tiers. Dreadnoughts should start at tier 3-4 at earliest, and Super-Dreadnoughts (Orion was the first) should start at tier 4-5.

I think these should be the primary tier 8-10 BBs for USN, IJN, and the KM:

USN: NC/SD (the treaty ones, can easily be made same tier as, say, Bismarck due to excellent guns for the caliber), Iowa, Montana.
IJN:  Tosa and/or Kii, Yamato, Super Yamato.
KM: Bismarck, H39, H41.

It's interesting to see what kind of ship they decide to use for the tier 1 lolship. A WW1 style destroyer or light cruiser (I feel destroyer would be too niche)? A pre-WW1 protected cruiser (or even armoured cruiser)? I'm personally guessing we will see protected cruiser as the tier 1, especially as Aurora is such a famous vessel in Russia.

Aurora, my vote for Russian tier 1:

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Probable american tier 1?

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The glorious German tier 1?

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Note how the German ship is clearly underpowered as it has the least funnels...





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