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Pichu_Trainer's Photo Pichu_Trainer 27 Jun 2012

 WriterX, on 27 June 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

I would like to add a few cents to the discussion here.

Today I played a Standard Battle, with the majority of each side having Tier 5s, a handful of Tier 6s and 7s, and a single TIer 8 on each side. This was the first time I had to face the Tier 8 "Mini JagdTiger" and I was confident I could fight it in a 1 vs 1 skirmish.

The reason for my confidence was lack of knowledge of its incredible Rate of Fire when compared to my Tiger I H. When I did eventually meet the beast I was surprised that it fired twice as fast as myself.

Holding in mind, of course, that it is a Tier VIII Premium TD, with an improved Tiger gun I reached the conclusion... that I want that gun for my Tiger.

You beat me this time JagdTiger, but next time I shall be victorious!
don't get too cocky or it'll land your butt, the JagdTiger 8.8cm isn't a tank you want to take on head to head with anything less than a tier 8
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custardSPARTA's Photo custardSPARTA 27 Jun 2012

 foxdie_01, on 24 June 2012 - 03:05 PM, said:

at tier 8 AND with preferential matchmaking (doesn't meet tier 10) the L88 is a superb weapon and ROF of 4.5secs is a real monster!

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_Knight_Commander_Pask_'s Photo _Knight_Commander_Pask_ 27 Jun 2012

I think I might get one when I have a wad of spare cash lying around. I'm fairly competent with the long 88 on my King Tiger, and having a practically belt-fed version strapped to a Tier IX chassis at Tier VIII with preferential MM sounds like a blast.
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S_Calhoun's Photo S_Calhoun 28 Jun 2012

It IS a blast. Some people just sit there and take the pounding, evidently thinking "Oh, it's not doing that much damage to me per shot. I can just return fire." And then they die. My current record is 20 penetrating hits in a row with it, but I've also only played it for 5 games (80% win ratio!).

Also, you can detrack people faster than they can repair. You're the ultimate crippler. You track, get in two shots, and by then your arty and the rest of the team has reduced them to a smoldering ruin.
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nepumax's Photo nepumax 28 Jun 2012

I use my T34 for leveling my T110E5 crew.

Can I use the JT8.8 for leveling my E-100 crew, or is that just possible with a Löwe, because of it's class (Tank Destroyer ≠ Heavy Tank)?

I like the JT8.8 more than the Löwe... :dry:
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Axeman_UK's Photo Axeman_UK 28 Jun 2012

Just a handful of battles in it so far but i like it, with a rammer and good crew you have a rof of 12.12. Turn rate is 22 but feels like 16, don't know if it's my noob crew (80%) or if they really need to increase engine hp, also hoping that clutch braking might help a bit? I have a kv-5 and i see little competition between them, in terms of guns the JT8.8 has 203 pen and 11.11 rof compared to kv-5's 167 pen and 7 rof.  Going hull down and keeping range will be important i am guessing, but it's nice to have armament that can take care of other tier 8. As for MM it's worse than kv-5 or IS-3 which are so often at the top, but i can still damage tier 9, i even smashed a Maus through the turret which was a bit of a surprise to me! An aquired taste i think and you will inevitably get tracked/flanked/killed by rubbish tanks now and then but that's just the way it is with any turretless TD. Perhaps above all i feel i can actually support teams and make very decent creds (had a battle which was fairly average, no medals or anything just 3 kills and some damage to a few others, made 109,000 creds)

Edit: What equipment would you guys recommend? I was thinking toolkit for getting detracked (1 repair kit ain't enough!) not sure about rammer because it already has a good rof, using camo net for what it's worth until i can get crew camo trained. Torsion bars says it makes tracks more durable, does that mean they are less likely to become damaged or does it make it harder for enemies to detrack you? I'm guessing it's not the latter lol. Other than that i was thinking Binocs.
Edited by Axeman_UK, 28 June 2012 - 07:23 PM.
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Axeman_UK's Photo Axeman_UK 01 Jul 2012

An honest update: 63 battles
  52 kills
  56% Win rate
  65,591 damage

I feel like i'm failing really hard in this TD, I was hoping the mobility would improve quite a bit with crew training which was initially 75%, now on 94% and have not noticed any improvement, it's just too damn slow on traverse, top speed of 27kmh i can live with.

Example of a fail battle i had, battle starts on Airfield map and i'm only just getting out of base when an AMX 13/90 comes, I am around the corner of the hangers so i prepare for him, soon as he turns the corner at full speed i blast him for full damage but it makes no difference, he gets beside me and my so- called team mates are not interested in helping, maybe because i'm in a hated prem tank lol. In these instances, although you have a high rof it is not high enough (nor high enough damage for that matter) to stop an incoming med from flanking you, also because of the terrible traverse speed you have. I still enjoy some matches in it but it's very situational, very vulnerable and often needs support. As for the 250mm armour.....even at distance tier 6 keep penning me, nearly everything goes through even when i'm hull down, i keep reading about a JT mantlet armour bug but i can't find anything official, or even if it would be applicable to this tier 8 version. As everybody knows, camo is non-existent and arty will have their wicked way with you every time. Hoping things will improve!
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ollonborre's Photo ollonborre 01 Jul 2012

Well I have not played so many battles in it and I am first of all an very average player, but I find this tank extremely fun and suprsingly strong.

The gun has a reload time of 4.5 seconds with 100 % crew, rammer and vents, and the accuracy is beyond godlike. Penetration and damage is a small downside though. But I think the armour and RoF and accuracy weighs up for it.
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DESTRONOV's Photo DESTRONOV 02 Jul 2012

I read lots of complaints about this tank, but once you accept its pros and cons, and really play from it, i think it seems at least decent.
Im definitly thinking of buying this one, but things might change quite a bit before i can play in say 3-4 months time. (Im out at sea, with a crappy internet connection.)
As usual, i think many think they are buying a monster, like with Löwe or T34. You spend alot of cash and expect that the tanks will be sure winners. Well, after playing this  game for 3 k + matches i think i start to understand then balance of it. The only real pro you get with the premiums is the cred-earning abilities.
JT 8.8 seems fun to me, because i like to snipe and appreaciate both ROF and accuracy. Since i can read i already see the weak sides of this tank and honestly, you guys buying it and complaining, didnt you read the stats before buying?
JT 8.8 seems intresting, of course its very expensive, WOT is very expensive overall if you start going down the golden path. Why does it seem interesting? Because it is a high-tier TD, first of its kind and to me i think it will be both fun and a great credit earner.
I have a question, anyone can post some exampels of the JT 8.8 credit earning abilities? Would love som printscreens of actual battle results.
Thanks!
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Nemesid's Photo Nemesid 02 Jul 2012

 DESTRONOV, on 02 July 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

I have a question, anyone can post some exampels of the JT 8.8 credit earning abilities? Would love som printscreens of actual battle results.
Thanks!

http://forum.worldof...making-ability/
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TimDogg's Photo TimDogg 02 Jul 2012

I've met loads of JT 8,8's in my KV5 and have only been killed by one once. Most of the others tend to sit way back in their own base, waiting for arty to drop on their bright-red-efficiency heads. However, the one I met that could play it was a through threat to my whole team, I think they got five kills and damaged a fair few.
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DESTRONOV's Photo DESTRONOV 02 Jul 2012

 Nemesid, on 02 July 2012 - 03:11 PM, said:

Gött Mos, thanks a bundle, that was informative, hope it will stay this way for 3-4 months when i come back from the sea...However, im sure we will be in patch 7,13 when im back, and at that time the most fun thing to drive might be the AH64 Apache :S Who knows?!?!?!
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Baske_74's Photo Baske_74 02 Jul 2012

Jtigger is a blast to use, although it has worse mobility then JT. its MM combined with its armour can save you from enemy fire while you pepper them with 88mm shells. 20-30% against Tier X is my guess, no hard data though.

i find that a lot of players just try to slug it out with you, and end up a burning wreck ;)
dont have any screen shots but its safe to say that:

on average it makes 50-60k, 25k on terrible loss and 130k on crushing win.

its mobility is it main flaw, while on paper its turn rate is higher then JT by a whopping 1 d/s it feels far slower. so you have to pick your fights very carefully. flanking is a real problem as you can not face your opponent fast enough.
stay at range, and let the 88L71 do its thing and since ammo is cheap you can afford to miss a shot.

in one of my latest games i was attacked by a Type 59 who appeared within 200m from behind cover. i thought i was a gone, because he would flank me for sure. so i used the tactic as discribed above. using its awesome RoF i began to alternate between blowing holes in his hull and tracking him with the other shot. to my surprise this tactic was very effective and he never got past me.

i had the hull down position so his gun was almost useless on the casemate armor. also the Jtigger large HP pool allow it to slug it out.
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Falafel's Photo Falafel 03 Jul 2012

Im so getting rammer and EGLD to this tank, most of the enemies think that you have low rof and come around the corner to take a shot :D
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SgtLeatherface's Photo SgtLeatherface 03 Jul 2012

Bought this baby yesterday.

Read negative posts about it going on about the weak gun.

Its nonsense.

The gun is great...rapid firing gatling gun so you damage plenty.

I penetrated a T10 US tank yesterday head on...i have trouble with my object 704.

Best money making premium going if you like to sit and snipe.

I had a 150k match today.

If you love TD which i do then youll love this.

More fun than my object 704......damn........

Thank god i didnt buy a lowe.

ROF is whats its all about. That makes you credits constantly banging things.

MM has been ok....about 50/50 near top or near bottom matches.

Armourwise its very good. It can take a battering from flanking mediums.

I saw the you tube video which didnt paint a brilliant picture but thank god i didnt listen to the nerds on there.

This is the new money maker on the block.

PS You might h8 it if you never played a top TD line...might not be to your gamestyle. This object 704 driver loves it!
Edited by SgtLeatherface, 03 July 2012 - 06:49 PM.
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ollonborre's Photo ollonborre 03 Jul 2012

 Baske_74, on 02 July 2012 - 04:14 PM, said:

Jtigger is a blast to use, although it has worse mobility then JT. its MM combined with its armour can save you from enemy fire while you pepper them with 88mm shells. 20-30% against Tier X is my guess, no hard data though.

i find that a lot of players just try to slug it out with you, and end up a burning wreck ;)
dont have any screen shots but its safe to say that:

on average it makes 50-60k, 25k on terrible loss and 130k on crushing win.

its mobility is it main flaw, while on paper its turn rate is higher then JT by a whopping 1 d/s it feels far slower. so you have to pick your fights very carefully. flanking is a real problem as you can not face your opponent fast enough.
stay at range, and let the 88L71 do its thing and since ammo is cheap you can afford to miss a shot.

in one of my latest games i was attacked by a Type 59 who appeared within 200m from behind cover. i thought i was a gone, because he would flank me for sure. so i used the tactic as discribed above. using its awesome RoF i began to alternate between blowing holes in his hull and tracking him with the other shot. to my surprise this tactic was very effective and he never got past me.

i had the hull down position so his gun was almost useless on the casemate armor. also the Jtigger large HP pool allow it to slug it out.

The reason why the traverse is poor despite being good on paper, is because the Jagdtiger 88 only have a 700 HP engine. I still don't mind though because it still has a very good acceleration and can actually go equally as fast up hill as my Type 59.
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ColonelTrautman's Photo ColonelTrautman 03 Jul 2012

Bought mine yesterday. Prefer it to my 704 for the rate of fire. And it can make me 150k in some battles. great tank.
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SgtLeatherface's Photo SgtLeatherface 03 Jul 2012

i forgot to mention the gun depression is also fantastic..plays like a US heavy
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beermonster1972's Photo beermonster1972 03 Jul 2012

am glad the people who have this mean machine are enjoying it.. take no notice of the rage school kiddys who have to beg daddy to buy things
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XxXSpottedYouXxX's Photo XxXSpottedYouXxX 04 Jul 2012

 beermonster1972, on 03 July 2012 - 11:46 PM, said:

am glad the people who have this mean machine are enjoying it.. take no notice of the rage school kiddys who have to beg daddy to buy things

Its enjoyable but its terrible the worst tier 8 by far IMO.
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