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Mig15 #1 Posted 28 June 2012 - 12:46 PM

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Many people says that the T-62A (Ob'yekt 165) will be the weakest T-10 tank. . . it will have weaker hull armor than T-54 and it will be slow or something like that.

Well my dear players i must open some of secrets of the T-62A ( Facts )
The T-62A was not created to be more useless than there predecessors. It was created to be more massive at all and also to be little bit more resistant in nuclear bomb that could droped near i mean some of Km further but nevermind this are the real characteristics of this tank.

1) Weight: 38-40 tonnes the difference of the weight its by the gun type and the ammo rack.
2) Horsepower: 580-700hp.
3) Operational rage: 470km with out fuel tanks -> with Fuel tanks (2) at top back, 650km.
4) Standar Speed 42km and also up to 51km.
5) Suspension: Torsion bar it was created with lightweight aluminium that was easy to contorl this steel horse.
6) Armor of turrent: 242/153/97mm
7) Hull armor: 102mm now here we think that its low. No quite the opposite the front hull armo is at 60° if its so we doing this //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/math/2/9/5/295e5ef5a64da81dbd69d6ee646dc014.png  TL=?, TN=102mm, Cos(60°) and we get the answer that TL is 204mm in front armor because its sloped. In other words the armor double when its at 60°. Better, cause of big sloped armor in front than the T-54.
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7) So, hull armor 102(204)/75/75mm.
8) Main gun is 100mm D-54TS at first and not the 115mm, this was after but not in T-62A. The developers thought to not put better gun because its out of limits of the game. But the accurance and RoF of the gun is better that the D10T but i don't know if the developers would give to this tank good damage and penetration because its a game.
9) Radio maybe R112 or R130.
10) Crew 4.
11) Produced in 1961 in USSR and was in service at this time.
12) Num build: more than 20.000.

Conclusion are: The T-62A is a very good tank at it class and if anyone in future could ude it correctly it might be the best T10 tank. Real killer tank with good mobility armor and gun. Its a big upgrade of T-54/55 and we could feel it in the game.

Thanks for the attention.
With respect MiG15

WoTDaFoCh #2 Posted 28 June 2012 - 12:51 PM

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What it is & what we will get is 2 different things...no doubt :Smile_trollface-3:
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Edited by 3nglish, 28 June 2012 - 12:51 PM.


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American Vehicles? :Smile_smile:

Charcharo #4 Posted 28 June 2012 - 01:01 PM

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T-54 is 120mm at 60 degrees too... therefore 240. Good thing we have normalization so 120mm at 60 is around 198mm. In other words, T-62 does have less armour than T-54.
Also, that 242 mm of armour are only on the gun mantlet. Turret wasnt tougher than T-54.

Edited by Charcharo, 28 June 2012 - 01:09 PM.


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View PostCharcharo, on 28 June 2012 - 01:01 PM, said:

T-54 is 120mm at 60 degrees... therefor 240. Good thing we have normalization so 120mm at 60 is around 198mm.

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View PostMig15, on 28 June 2012 - 12:46 PM, said:

7) So, hull armor 102(204)/75/75mm.

No, it won't be 200mm effective in WoT (IRL, against AP projectiles it's more like 300mm effective, so 200mm is not entirely true there either). To get the effective protection for WoT you need to subtract 6-8 degrees from the angle due to game's normalization system.

It has about the same or exactly same effective protection as Type 59's glacis, 160mm-170mm effective.

(Edit) Also if the penetration of a gun is more than twice the thickness of the armor, the normalization is doubled. So if King Tiger shoots you with top gun the armor is just 150mm effective.

Edited by Gigaton, 28 June 2012 - 01:25 PM.


BigBadVuk #7 Posted 28 June 2012 - 01:32 PM

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Moved to correct section - this is not USA tank
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Mig15 #8 Posted 28 June 2012 - 02:33 PM

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Those are real facts and nevermid if the game have 200 or 300 effective. The turrent of T-62A is 242 even if its only on the gun mantlet its remains 242mm the top turrent. But because of the game systems we can't compare the reality with game.

Edited by Mig15, 28 June 2012 - 02:54 PM.


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View PostGigaton, on 28 June 2012 - 01:07 PM, said:

(Edit) Also if the penetration of a gun is more than twice the thickness of the armor, the normalization is doubled. So if King Tiger shoots you with top gun the armor is just 150mm effective.
  • Caliber not penetration
  • 3 times not twice
  • Additional normalization depends on how many times shell's caliber is bigger then stricken armor


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View PostABC_Przyrody, on 28 June 2012 - 02:42 PM, said:

  • Caliber not penetration
  • 3 times not twice
  • Additional normalization depends on how many times shell's caliber is bigger then stricken armor

http://forum.worldof...ta-0615-update/

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- Increased normalization effect when shell penetration value is twice as much as armor thickness value or more.

Under "damage models and game mechanics". Though now that I think of it, I'm again not sure where I got that thing about the increase being 2x from. But the practical effect is that while 100 @ 60 degree plate is still decent protection against 160mm-180mm penetration guns, it becomes exponentially weaker when shot at with tier 9 guns to the point of becoming paper.

What you describe is additional mechanic, but it's not really relevant one with 100mm plates.

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T54 could survive nuclear blast from 300m but crew will die coz of radiation. Thats why thay created T55: same hull and new turret wit NBC (nuclear-biological-chemical) protection so that crew can survive nuclear blast. T62 doesn't have that NBC protection. Only reason they createt T62 was bigger gun (which we will not get). Real T54/55 have 98mm @ 60 degree and T62 102mm @ 60 degree. T62 is little longer, widther and lower than T55. They have same mobility.

___________WoT T54_____vs____ RL T62A
armor ______120 @ 60__________102 @ 60
speed _______55km\h ___________50km/h
h.p./t _________19.6 _____________14.5
gun _______100mm d-54 _______100mm d-54ts

Edited by Zoky, 28 June 2012 - 08:05 PM.


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View PostZoky, on 28 June 2012 - 08:01 PM, said:

Real T54/55 have 98mm @ 60 degree and T62 102mm @ 60 degree.

They are all technically 100mm @ 60 degs, but few millimeter variances are within tolerances. That's why you see 99mm and 102mm and such mentioned.

The 120mm glacis of ingame T-54 comes from the early versions of the tank.

Zoky #13 Posted 28 June 2012 - 08:59 PM

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Dont get me wrong. Im not bitching at all. Im driver of T54 and i love it. Im just comparing WoT version of T54 with RL T62A. I was very happy when they anounced T10 mediums, but after seeing what will be soviet t10 im little woried. On paper it will have less armor, less top speed, less acceleration. Only thing that it will MAYBE have better is gun. If d54ts dont have better pen and damage then d54 i dont see why will anyone drive T62A.

Edited by Zoky, 28 June 2012 - 09:00 PM.


Mig15 #14 Posted 29 June 2012 - 06:35 AM

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Yes all is correnct but the T-62A it was too resistant in nuclear bomb cause its just a upgrade of T-54/55 so they hold this characteristic and not even only this there are also resistant in water the only thing that there need is some equipments for fresh air to the crew. Yes i agree that the first T-54/55 was 98mm in front of hull armor but the developers put to this the 120mm. One good thing in T-62A is that we will get more HP than in T-54. :Smile_sceptic:

sutyomatic #15 Posted 29 June 2012 - 07:11 AM

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We should have gotten a proper T62 with the proper 115mm 2A20. But they are like no smooth bores...
Make it fire regular AP rounds in-game then.

This ain't too hard now is it?

2A20:
ROF - 7,4
PEN - 235/315/54
DMG - 370/370/480
ACC - 0,35
AT - 2,5s

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I think that pen should be 250+ because its t10 and its not like it will have best pen anyways. In the era of 280+ pen guns anything lower then 250 is bb gun

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View PostZoky, on 29 June 2012 - 08:49 AM, said:

I think that pen should be 250+ because its t10 and its not like it will have best pen anyways. In the era of 280+ pen guns anything lower then 250 is bb gun

Firing ordinary AP shells from smooth bore 115mm would be a "BB gun". Normally the gun would fire APFSDS rounds, firing AP rounds the guns accuracy would be bad really BAD and penetration not even close to the penetration APFSDS rounds. Also 250mm would be far too much for a medium tank. Just look at E-100 and Maus with sub 240 and 250 penetration guns. Pretty sure penetration of tier 10 mediums won't exceed 235mm.

We have the post-war 105 mm in the game already with 220 penetration on E-50 like devs stated a year ago.

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View PostGigaton, on 28 June 2012 - 03:57 PM, said:

http://forum.worldof...ta-0615-update/



Under "damage models and game mechanics". Though now that I think of it, I'm again not sure where I got that thing about the increase being 2x from. But the practical effect is that while 100 @ 60 degree plate is still decent protection against 160mm-180mm penetration guns, it becomes exponentially weaker when shot at with tier 9 guns to the point of becoming paper.

What you describe is additional mechanic, but it's not really relevant one with 100mm plates.

2 years old mechanic? O.o IMO, it's safe bet to say that it wasn't used anywhere outside closed beta.

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View PostZoky, on 28 June 2012 - 08:01 PM, said:

T54 could survive nuclear blast from 300m but crew will die coz of radiation. Thats why thay created T55: same hull and new turret wit NBC (nuclear-biological-chemical) protection so that crew can survive nuclear blast. T62 doesn't have that NBC protection. Only reason they createt T62 was bigger gun (which we will not get). Real T54/55 have 98mm @ 60 degree and T62 102mm @ 60 degree. T62 is little longer, widther and lower than T55. They have same mobility.

___________WoT T54_____vs____ RL T62A
armor ______120 @ 60__________102 @ 60
speed _______55km\h ___________50km/h
h.p./t _________19.6 _____________14.5
gun _______100mm d-54 _______100mm d-54ts
- ahem... speed will definitely be same as t-54, same with engine.

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They might also give it a fantasy super awesome engine as well, like an 800 hp engine or something. There are a lot of tanks in game with unrealistic engines, the KV-3 comes to mind and it's not like they haven't superbuffed other tanks from what they were historically to balance them. Hell the rate of fire on the Russian 122's and the M103's 120 are almost double what they were in real life and not to mention down right impossible for the two piece ammunition those guns used.

So, we might see a really insane engine for the T-62A to give it an awesome power to weight ratio and insane mobility, which would be awesome.




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