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Hello,

Made this topic cause im curious about players opinion about amount of gold prizes in organised by WG tournaments. For example in Super 6 cup there was almost 200 participants only top 3 get gold and it varies from 5k for a player for 1st place through 3k for 2nd and 1.5k for 3rd, is it really enough ? I mean lets look at this way for being best from 200 teams you can get enough gold to buy less then HALF of tier 8 premium tank. I am happy with winning any amount of gold but I still think that prizes should be at least doubled and im pretty sure much bigger gold prizes would lure more people to play in tournaments, people making new better team squads, training for it etc. overall it would make it more interesting.

Additionally I made a poll to get maybe opinions from people too lazy to post

ps. I wanted to post a pic of a nice naked lady as recompensation for reading but I forgot this forum is rated PG3 so sorry

A nice poll Footballfan, will be interesting to see the results.

Might be better to slightly reword the 2nd question is it is quite weighted to get a yes answer, I would recommend that you change "better" to "Higher"

Bump, on 02 July 2012 - 10:20 AM, said:

Changed it, to be honest I`m a little dissapointed, was hoping for some kind of discussion in here or at least more votes. Still maybe I made a mistake to post this in here, general gameplay is the place where everyone sits

I voted for higher prizes since with many participants the amount of battles is pretty high. Gold ammo has to be used if success is actually the goal - so prizes go down considerably when taking this into account.

Top 8 would be nice as well, because it is pretty hard to get into the prize area and it might lure out more dedicated teams for the cost wouldn´t be that nuch of a hinderance anymore.

FootballFan, on 02 July 2012 - 05:40 PM, said:

You must be patient with these things I'm afraid, we would never change anything on a whim anyway. Lets see what sort of info comes up in a week or so

FootballFan, on 02 July 2012 - 05:40 PM, said:

FootballFan I write about too small prizes almost since the beginning of this tournamets. Thank you for preparing that nice poll,I hope the results will be clear and WG will change the prizes.

OstapBender, on 04 July 2012 - 11:46 AM, said:

Oh I`m quite sure the result will be clear but I`m worried about how many people will actually vote, cause dont think WG will even consider anything based on poll with 30-40 votes

FootballFan, on 04 July 2012 - 06:31 PM, said:

The topic must be in the HEAD news, then people will vote.

Scharthak, on 03 July 2012 - 05:21 AM, said:

So you have to pay real money to play serious in this league..... maybe this is one of the reason why there is little interest in this.
For a new team its quite frustrating to pay for premimum stuff that they can play on the same level against the established teams out there and of course there is no way that you can compete against them in terms of teamplay,tactics and map knowledge. Most of them know the game from public and we all know that public-skill is nothing in a teambased league, maybe some have experience in WoT-Clanwars but this is still a different playstyle.
So its paying for practice for the (little?) chance to get sometimes into the moneyranks - sounds like a quite bad deal
I have played  some games competitive the last 15 years (damn - i am getting old.....) starting with Quakeworld in the damn good ol' days and ending up with TeamFortress2 before starting with WoT.
Now guess in how many you have to pay for your shoots

Suggestion (members of established moneyrank-teams stop reading here ) :
Reduce the prize money the same amount you earn with the premstuff in the league and forbid them in the league (like it was in the beginning of go4wot)


Bump - what is the official point of view on this?
Like i mentioned before it was limited first and got allowed after some teams bypassed this rule with faked screenshots. Nowadays WoT got the replay-feature, so its quite easy to set a policiy on it again and control it.
What will we see in the future?

OnStage, on 05 July 2012 - 10:06 AM, said:

Mate,you dont understand what are you writing here.
At first, there are some simply methods of cheating with gold shells, like a change of the ammunition icons, which some teams did in the beginning of ESL. Its pretty simple, you just change the icons,so that your sceen shows,that you are shooting normal shells,but in fact you are shooting gold.
And about  "estabilished money rank teams" - My first team - Russian Pirates who did it to the 4th place in our FIRST tournament ever (go4wot cup), with no training before,with players  came to the Team Speak just 5 minutes before the tournament started . It just proives,that you dont need to be a pro,but you need to have a good brain to be able to create tactics during the matches and you need skilled players in your team thats all. And dont forget, you cant buy skill with gold . So its normal, that the most of teams consisting of not high skilled players and thats normal that teams with more skilled palyers win the tournaments. in other words - if you cant play good in randoms - you will never win in tournamets

OstapBender, on 05 July 2012 - 11:52 AM, said:

Mate maybe you should read what i wrote…
I said that u have to pay for playing on the same level with the established team, but there is no guarantee that u can then compete with them in terms of teamplay and so on – lets call it skill

If you take 2 equally skilled teams using same tactics one with premstuff and one without, the premium-team will win.
Or even easier - when you play against you the one of you with premstuff will win
As Schartak mentioned if u want success u need it.Period.
And that’s what I am complaining about….

And congrats that your team was so highskilled and pro that they got 4th place in their first attempt…. Try this in a game with a esport-scene older than few months…
WoT is new in this and you see in replays and the match reviews that the competitive play is evolving, so it will get  more and more difficult to achieve your 4th place in the first attempt.
So please please stop these “Lol u know nuffing – Gold is not skill – if you are not leet you will not win anyway”- comments…
I just want to change the formula in Wot-competitive from win=Skill+premium to  win=skill  (luck is not considered in this formula )

And about cheating – does this work in the replays too? If so – Wargaming your turn….

The prize poll should be higher thats no doubt. I remember when super 6 started me and 2 friends of mine played ESL 3v3 cup and we ended on 2nd place. So in that 90 minutes before super six we won more gold than super 6 1st place. For some good teams its not worth it to play WG turnaments becouse they take a lot of time to train maps on certain tiers than ESL.

OnStage, on 05 July 2012 - 12:57 PM, said:

I got your point of view. What can I say... If you want to go in details , then skill+premium is less random,then just skill vs skill, because sometimes some crazy ricochet,that shouldn´t be there decides the game..
And on replays it shows you exactly the same,as on screens ( it shows normal shells,but in reality you shoot with gold,as I said,just a simple icon switch).
SO the prizes should be so high, that its worth for all teams to use premium shells/ammu from the first round. Just like in some big tournamets on US/RU server with an incredible prize pool of over 1 mio gold per team.

OstapBender, on 05 July 2012 - 11:52 AM, said:

That can't be done in the ESL training room system, but with the special battle system it should be pretty easy to restrict gold ammo/consumables, after all the server knows what is your load out, so it should just perform a check when you hit ready and if you are using gold just give you a message you are using disallowed items, I do not believe it is any harder to implement then the system in company battles that prevents you from entering a medium tank company battle in a tier 10 tank, it is just a question of whether WG is willing to do that (in my opinion what they should consider is having two levels of tournaments, a more relaxed one with smaller prizes where gold consumables are not allowed and a more serious one with very attractive prizes where anything goes).
Edited by Fedajkin1989, 05 July 2012 - 04:40 PM.

Fedajkin1989, on 05 July 2012 - 03:48 PM, said:

Dude, even in ESL company cups and weekly go4wot cups there is a "training room" system. And it is there since years. And even on russian Starladder with best  pro teams and high prizes ( up to 15 k $ in ifnals) the still have that fucking "training room" system. So I dont think WG gonna change something there in next 6-12 monthes.

OstapBender, on 05 July 2012 - 04:25 PM, said:

My bad I made a mistake in the first sentence, it should read "That can't be done in the ESL training room system," but the WG cups that we are talking about here do not use training rooms, they use the special battle popus

WG is just greedy.

The WG tourney prizes are very low (even after the slight buff). I mostly participate for the fun of it and not the gold, as even if my team wins every tourney (and we do) the prizes are not very high (compared to ESL and time invested).

Maybe if the tourneys would run faster but you have to spend like 3 evenings being online for this. Also the draws rule leads to much frustration (the enemy can have T1 Cunningham alive vs 5 t8 tanks and still both teams lose). And the # of substitutes allowed is too low.

And it should allow custom gold splits like ESL. Otherwise those who played all battles get as much gold as those who couldn't be online at the time (for one reason or the other).