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I do like to roam the battlefield in my T-44 looking for wounded heavies, or picking off other meds, and maybe the odd light or 2, mainly down to its speed and agility to get out of tight situations...fast!

Also, the gun, how is that compared to the 44s LB1?

How does the Panther II compare? Can I use it like a T-44, or is it mainly a support tank for the heavies?

Regards.......

I own both and although the PII is my favourite, it's the worst "frontline" tank of all T VIII meds. Reason are it's bad agility (turning rate of both turret and chassis). But it can take more punishment than it's medium counterparts due to a larger HP pool.

In the first half of a battle, you're better off sniping or supporting heavies. After the most serious threats are dealt with, you can roam free and pick off any enemies that are not supported.

But if you're top dog in the roster you can be a matchwinner in it.
Edited by filefool, 08 July 2012 - 07:43 PM.

I have had both, still got the T44 elited in garage, that should tell you something.

P2 is not a tank you want to get mixed in close battles with. Go to flanks or cutoff points and snipe your heart out, if you do get in close, ram stuff, track it and get away. Im afraid its agility is lacking and in close you probably will come of worse, plus your a fairly large target, which means everyone on the battlefield will start shooting at you.

The T44 prior to getting the top gun was a royal pain. The LB1 reduces that pain a lot but it isnt fantastic, still long aim time and crap accuracy combined with meh damage. I never got into the derp gun thing with the T44. I preffered to close with my target, using the fastish reload to track and damage. The smaller profile and decentish armour for its tier helps with that.

End of story, I dumped the P2 a few patches ago as I felt that it was just like the other german tanks, suffering too much from newer tanks. Got the E50 still but despite eliting the T44 ages ago, I have not bothered with getting the T54, which tells you a different story on how I feel about tier 9 meds (if I did not pationatly hate all things french, I would have a batchat).

I do own the Panther II and started with the german "medium" line. The PII is much better than the Panther I, i liked to play it (quite good gun for a med), but since i got my other "goal", the IS - 3 i do not play it anymore, IS- 3 is much better armored, has much better camo, better cannon (-accuracy, but it is good enough) and agility is nearly the same (wish i could get my PII crew with one skill allready, but aside from that, IS - 3 is simply better)
Why the look at a heavy? Because the PII is more like the IS-3 for agility than a real med (like most german "meds")

I like the Panther2 more than T-44 and IS-3. It's the fact, that the long 88 is such a nice gun, where shooting from all ranges and angles is fun. Russian guns tend to miss even safe shots, that I count on and that is not fun. (IS-8 without last gun is such a horrible tank... Misses too often, long reload, meh damage, not enough penetration. Awful.)

So... I have both T-44 and Panther 2 still in my garage (T-54 and E-50 researched), both elite, but I drive only Panther2 for some fun games sometimes. T-44 stands still, as it is more situational, because forced to do brawling. With my Panther2 I can do all, including brawling with some thinking ahead. Not just driving circles around a prey but do some unexpected moves. All in all, I can do something on all maps with all matchmaker thingies.

Well, with panther 2 u will be able to get out of tight situations since it's a medium and it's not that slow. Panther 2 has better survivability due to larger HP pool and a much better frontal armor. Unlike the t-44, P2 is a all well rounded medium. U can do anything.

88mm L/71 is an awesome gun, IMO better than LB-1 due to that high accuracy.

P.S. T-44 is the worst tier 8 medium tank, so anything is better

 gruntcruncher, on 08 July 2012 - 08:56 PM, said:

I don't see you here.
This gun IS fantastic.

Long aiming time?!
2.3 is best what you can take among 8. meds. M26 Pershing has 2.3 too. The other two meds has much longer aiming time.
Crap Accuracy?!
3.5 is very good accuracy, even among german guns it looks good. Only P2 has better accuracy(3.4), but worse aiming time. Other 8. tier meds has worse.
Meh damage?!
It is pretty average. Pershing has better dmg maybe. But worse armor. P2 has only better alpha (+10 wow!). And french AMX is just glass cannon.

Moreover, you can finally mount vertical stabilizer on this tier.

T-44 is definitely better tank. Smaller target, best agility, very good gun now and best armor with the smallest weakspots. Even gun depression is decent.
Panther 2 WAS better sniper, before LB-1 came to T-44. Now stats are 3.4 accuracy and 2.9 aiming time vs 3.5 accuracy and 2.3 aiming time.

ONLY thing which is better is P2's penetration value and view range. It is 393 m vs 385 m, again not a big deal.

I only own Panther II.

However, I've never really been scared by a T-44 in any of my battles. I feel the Panther II is a slightly more deadly foe, and it is very nice to play.

i like my Panther2 and i always finish off the T-44s. with its gun you can penetrate everything frontal except maus and e100

 Ganrok, on 10 July 2012 - 05:25 PM, said:

Goood luck on IS-7/4, T110, M103, E-75, Ferdi, Jagdtiger, Type59 and so on if they know what they are doing.
Before i got my own PII a lot people said that he is better than Type at range with little disadvantage close up. Since then i found the Type better close up (if he drives and not stand or peak a boo) and at advantage at range too (he is much smaller target, if he angles his front a little you can not count on penetration at his turret OR frontal armor, but he has no problems to hit you AND penetrate that 120mm turret or 100 mm front even angled because of lesser slope on PII).

Edit: angleing PII only if you got cover for your side, it is not a good armored or bouncy part of the tank, just to be sure nobody missunderstands me.
Edited by joarg, 11 July 2012 - 01:31 AM.

 joarg, on 11 July 2012 - 01:27 AM, said:

since you are a t8 and most of the tanks mentioned are t9-10, you should flank them while other takes the shoots.
sides of the is7 can be damaged by the short 88
is4 lower glacis can be pierced with 200 pen with good angle
type eats front shots if you know where to shoot(next battle with types in both sides watch carefully, they have 175 pen and they still pierce)
ferdi and jt can be pierced frontally, but flanking is the solution because they wont shoot

you should read the quote  that  i commented, it was specially about taking tanks from the front...
close up the type front is not a problem to pen, but i wrote if you engage them at range (and the type driver knoww what he is doing) and at range you can not aim at special parts not even with quite accurate guns, it is down to sheer luck if you can pen or not (the type on the other hand can count on most hits penetrating, thanks to PII turret on big parts i think, but that may be wrong)

sry guys if you cant play the P2 well, but as i said i never had problems except maus and e-100.

 Ganrok, on 11 July 2012 - 12:45 PM, said:

You have 60 games played in P2 with roughly 50% winrate. So your hardly in a position of expert especialy not one who trys to throw a condesending "I never had problems" quote out. Go be a troll elsewhere.

They're very different tanks to play.

The Panther 2 does sniper very well, it's also relatively fast in a straight line so its  a good tank to get to somewhere fast while others catch up with you to reinforce. Its not a brawler by any means but is sturdy. Its large though. I actually regret selling mine when I unlocked the E50 which I never bought anyway. Almost certain I will buy this tank back one day.

The T44 is more rounded, it can snipe, it can brawl really well and its allot easier to play.

I never played either in company battles but I imagine the T44 even a team of T44's would be deadly.

I much prefered the PII.  But they both suck compared to the mighty pershing.

 gruntcruncher, on 11 July 2012 - 02:22 PM, said:

but you are the true hero!? stop raging at me kid just because i tell you the truth. Your whole whine doesnt change the fact that you are able to pen everything with the long 88 except the 2 mentioned, frontally.
Winrate!? as you mentioned, with 60 matches played it doesnt tell you a sh*** about me, you are just another of this stat trolls. so go flame some others
Edited by Ganrok, 11 July 2012 - 03:48 PM.

You can penetrate E100 frontally with 88/71L (I did it). Of course you need to do it before your P2 caught fire after a frontal shot, which happens much more often after that 7.4 patch...
Edited by Cyttorak, 11 July 2012 - 07:22 PM.

Got rid of it quite fast and did the HUGE mistake of selling it. Still, it's the 2nd best T8 med I've used so far (Lorraine beats it by a little).
Trolling teams on Malinovka was fun (vents + optics + rammer, and that was without 7.2(?) perks/skills 8D).

 Galm1, on 11 July 2012 - 09:22 PM, said:

If you want to do that, why not get an american med with more view range AND better camo AND gun depression?