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[RR_Phobos]

Hello fellow tankers,

I don't want this thread to lead to a discussion of any kind. The pros and cons regarding a rated matchmaker (MMR) that picks only players of equal skill level into the same battle, have been discussed in a lot of other threads already, so there is no need to repeat all this stuff here.

I just want EVERYBODY to answer the poll without (!) thinking about it being possible or not.

Would you LIKE to see an additional (this is important!) rated matchmaker (MMR) or not? The normal matchmaker generating random battles shall still exist and not be changed. This would of course mean that the MMR would have a largely extended waiting time (up to a few minutes, I guess), so please take this into account when answering the poll.

I repeat: I don't want to see any discussion in this thread. The one and only use of this thread is to give WG an impression of the community's voice. So please use this chance, don't rage, don't whine, don't post at all. Just answer the poll and the voice of the community shall be heard.

Thank you very much.

[theghostcat]

You should probably see if you can get this thread locked if you don't want people to actually 'discuss' the topic :P

Edited by theghostcat, 09 July 2012 - 04:36 PM.

[Sturmtiger_304]

Yes please, beginning to get worn out by the daily lemming trains, driving around in circles for no reason, shooting friendly tanks & being very un-observative.

[RR_Phobos]

theghostcat, on 09 July 2012 - 04:36 PM, said:

You should probably see if you can get this thread locked if you don't want people to actually 'discuss' the topic :P

Good idea, matey.

So, if a WG community manager or similar reads this: Could you please lock the thread, so only the poll can still be answered?!
Thank you very much in advance.

[PengBumm]

Introduce this and I might continue playing... As it is I cant really be bothered anymore even though I think it is a good game.

[dysje]

You simply don't understand what's going on. Many people will vote yes for a rated matchmaking system. The fact that people want that is NOT the problem.

The problem lies in the fact that there is no possible way to get a good, useful rating out of the current system. Every version of rating has SERIOUS flaws and almost all of them can even be farmed. And then remember that rating can be very very tank specific aswel. Remember the arty ruining everyones hit %? W/R that can differ by almost 30% on a per tank basis? The average damage difference between tiers? (lower tier drivers automatically get lower ER, not because they are worse, but because their average damage is lower... due to the lower damage guns.)

You can only get this "MMR" if you introduce a seperate 'league' system like clanwars, where you can compete in ways that actually says something. Like fighting eachother on sort of even ground. That's why other games have similar seperate competitive and normal games.

So stop wasting your time on idiot polls like this. They are useless and everyone can guess the outcome. Waste your time on figuring out how this can actually be implemented. Because That is where the problem lies. Or don't concern yourself with matters like this to begin with, because if you think this (voting for yes/no) is the stage we are in, you obviously have a lot to learn about.. just about everything.

And then just to think about the difference between how one player can perform in clanwars and random games, a world apart. Some suck at normals and are great at clan/company. Some suck at company yet have awkward w/r in random.

[KptStrzyga]

If MM woluld set games only with players with same WR guess what would happen to your stats after while? Everybody would have WR 48%... and mess begins from start!

[war4peace]

RR_Phobos, on 09 July 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:

Good idea, matey.

So, if a WG community manager or similar reads this: Could you please lock the thread, so only the poll can still be answered?!
Thank you very much in advance.

This is a forum. A forum is made for discussions. You don't like discussions, don't create a thread.

[seaeagle]

I go backwards and forwards on this. The thing is, as the MM is now we all will get on good teams and teams that need improvement.

It is easy blaming others for failures, but it is not as though the MM singles out certain players. Or does it???

Of course a tiered MM gives people of lower skill something to strive for. I expect there would be many people on the fence bouncing from skill level to skill level.

Can you imagine the rage of people who very close to raising or dropping their skill rating? Would be extreme I think.

I clicked "I don't care" as I keep changing my mind. My mind is random like the MM.

Edited by seaeagle, 09 July 2012 - 05:02 PM.

[Slyspy]

Not had a thread on this subject since yesterday.

Starting a thread and then asking people not to post is like a red rag to a bull!

[CarroStimpak]

we have ELO in other games,and here nothing.And is fine for me,i have no more energy to discuss after playing that junk metal of amx 40.

[NatteFrost]

RR_Phobos, on 09 July 2012 - 04:34 PM, said:

Hello fellow tankers,

I don't want this thread to lead to a discussion of any kind. The pros and cons regarding a rated matchmaker (MMR) that picks only players of equal skill level into the same battle, have been discussed in a lot of other threads already, so there is no need to repeat all this stuff here.

I just want EVERYBODY to answer the poll without (!) thinking about it being possible or not.

Would you LIKE to see an additional (this is important!) rated matchmaker (MMR) or not? The normal matchmaker generating random battles shall still exist and not be changed. This would of course mean that the MMR would have a largely extended waiting time (up to a few minutes, I guess), so please take this into account when answering the poll.

I repeat: I don't want to see any discussion in this thread. The one and only use of this thread is to give WG an impression of the community's voice. So please use this chance, don't rage, don't whine, don't post at all. Just answer the poll and the voice of the community shall be heard.

Thank you very much.

You have reached your quota of positive votes for the day

[loituma]

Voted "I don't care" because it won't happen anyway. WG's bread and butter is noobs buying premium tanks so they can finance their E-100 to (t)roll around in randoms. They're not gonna spend precious dev time on a feature that would only be welcomed by a small portion of the player base while the rest wouldn't care either way. The consensus is, if you want higher quality play, go CW or TC.

[tango_delta]

Voted no because I don't want multiple different MMs. I want just one good one. And i think it would add positively to the game experience if the top tiers for both teams were balanced. I don't want bad players' teams getting better tanks or more better players. Imho the correct way is to try to put equal opponents as top tiers and not some other summed up points system. There are ways to make it right and wrong and I'm quite picky about doing it correctly or not at all.

[Cippalippus]

No. Bad players must not escape my wrath.

[Cuddly_Spider]

http://forum.worldof...ost__p__2270446

The reasons to do it are barely worth talking about, let alone actually devoting time to.

The reasons not to are many and varied.

If you want to play this professionally join a clan if you are good enough or join company battles. You have options to play against skilled opponents already. Making the entire game predictable for everyone else, as well as borking the matchmaker even more, to satisfy your own e-peen insecurity is not worth anyone elses time or efforts.

[Marlekin]

RR_Phobos, on 09 July 2012 - 04:34 PM, said:

I don't want to see any discussion in this thread.

This is a public forum. Where everyone is free to post.

Why no rated MM:
Even rated players have the bad and good players, something like MMR will not matter. There is always a skillgap. Things like lemming will dissapear (maybe/probably) but you will simply get the new kind of noob: The one that doesnt shoot weakspots, pings the map, or arty that doesnt presses T on his target.  Also, as Wargaming is always bend on tweaking and buffing/nerfing systems, I doubt they will get MMR right at the first try. Considering time and recources spend on such a "side project"  (Because thats what it is, really.)  I doubt a system like this will ever exist in WoT's lifespan.

As said above, if you want to play with better players only, join a clan.

[war4peace]

Cuddly_Spider, on 09 July 2012 - 06:07 PM, said:

If you want to play this professionally join a clan if you are good enough or join company battles. You have options to play against skilled opponents already. Making the entire game predictable for everyone else, as well as borking the matchmaker even more, to satisfy your own e-peen insecurity is not worth anyone elses time or efforts.

I am in a clan. I actually own a clan (well I stepped down a bit because I don't have time for it). I assume you meant Clan Wars. With my hectic schedule and the dry variation of CW no way I would be interested in that. Company battles? Pah, I met some awesomely bad players in Company Battles. So as you can see, you don't really have options to play against skilled opponents. Playing at fixed times is not something I can accommodate because my schedule (again) prohibits me from playing during prime time.
I am not sure what do you mean by "making the game predictable". Playing with and against similarly skilled players is anything BUT predictable. That's why some players are good: they're unpredictable.
The "e-peen insecurity" allusion was mean and uncalled for. All I care is to play competitive randoms where I could rage at anything BUT players. I'm talking matches where I congratulate enemies for their hard earned win instead of yelling at the knuckle dragging slobbers whom I had the misfortune of being matched with.
There's the odd match every now and then where I only see green/purple players (usually high tier matches, with mostly T10-T9 tanks) and those are the "awesomest" matches; yes, I sometimes am the least skilled of the herd, but guess what: once I die, I stay and watch all others play, because they play well and I can learn stuff.
Lastly: when customers ask for something, dismissing their requests in such a way is casting an ugly shadow.

[Cuddly_Spider]

war4peace, on 09 July 2012 - 06:53 PM, said:

I am not sure what do you mean by "making the game predictable". Playing with and against similarly skilled players is anything BUT predictable. That's why some players are good: they're unpredictable.

The result of playing against evenly matched opponents constantly would inevitably be an across the board winrate of around 50% for everyone (or at least an even winrate).

And yes, matches would be predictable. Sure you'd get a few matches where things were changed up. Good players would remember those tactics, and they would become less common in future.

war4peace, on 09 July 2012 - 06:53 PM, said:

The "e-peen insecurity" allusion was mean and uncalled for. All I care is to play competitive randoms where I could rage at anything BUT players. I'm talking matches where I congratulate enemies for their hard earned win instead of yelling at the knuckle dragging slobbers whom I had the misfortune of being matched with.

Indeed. Uncalled for. The knuckle dragging slobbers such as myself must really not speak in such terms. Us mouth breathers, intellectually inferior noobs who have the temerity to play this game and lose one match in twenty more than other people really need to.. what was it again... ohh yes.. "uninstall".

The rampant elitism and the frankly misanthropic idea that being good at the game gives that person greater rights to play it is whats really uncalled for.

war4peace, on 09 July 2012 - 06:53 PM, said:

There's the odd match every now and then where I only see green/purple players (usually high tier matches, with mostly T10-T9 tanks) and those are the "awesomest" matches; yes, I sometimes am the least skilled of the herd, but guess what: once I die, I stay and watch all others play, because they play well and I can learn stuff.

If this idea were implimented you wouldn't be able to do that anymore. Your player slot on that match would be taken by someone on their level.

war4peace, on 09 July 2012 - 06:53 PM, said:

Lastly: when customers ask for something, dismissing their requests in such a way is casting an ugly shadow.

When it's a handful of people making an impossible demand, which would result in an across the board degradation of the game even if it was implimented, then it is pointless to address it. The rebuttals and arguments against any of these ideas have been spelled out at length. There is no feasable way to do it, and the desire of the population to have it as a whole is not there (a few people here notwithstanding).

[Homer_J]

No.  I like to shoot noobs.