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Listy #21 Posted 12 July 2012 - 02:41 PM

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View PostConte_Vincero, on 12 July 2012 - 02:17 PM, said:

I heard a story of a British soldier who jumped up in front of a german tank, fired his PIAT from the shoulder, knocked out the tank and was blown flat by the recoil

I didn't say it worked...

There is a story from Normandy of a British guy charging a bunker of firing a PIAT from the hip, knocking out the Bunker. He won a VC for it. Some wags have suggested he won the VC for firing from the hip with the PIAT, not the whole Bunker thing.

Ok here's a better Idea, stick a Blacker Bombard on the back of a carrier!

Conte_Vincero #22 Posted 13 July 2012 - 09:22 PM

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View PostListy, on 12 July 2012 - 02:41 PM, said:

I didn't say it worked...

There is a story from Normandy of a British guy charging a bunker of firing a PIAT from the hip, knocking out the Bunker. He won a VC for it. Some wags have suggested he won the VC for firing from the hip with the PIAT, not the whole Bunker thing.

Ok here's a better Idea, stick a Blacker Bombard on the back of a carrier!
OOH I like that, M3 comes charging down the road, charges past a bush and BAM! a 20lb bomb hits it. Anyone capable of making a model of this beastie? Also give it a rear mounted gun, so you can get lost before someone discovers that you only have 10mm of armour.

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View PostListy, on 12 July 2012 - 02:41 PM, said:

Ok here's a better Idea, stick a Blacker Bombard on the back of a carrier!

Lol now now you know they stuck 14 PIAT's on the back of one, sort of a mini matress.

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Mattress based on the British AA rocket system
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Mind you the Canadians liked sticking rockets on everything

Staghound A/C with four 60lb rockets (Armoured cars rock) they also tried to mount Mattress on the rear of the Staghound but it damaged the wheel arches when fired.

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zmoll #24 Posted 15 July 2012 - 06:42 PM

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Hang on, if the spring was meant to only eat the recoil, why cock the spring before firing? You would only need to cock it an inch or so to have enough energy to set off the detonator cap on the propelling charge. A damper would be more appropriate than a spring for absorbing the firing recoil if that was all it was doing.
PIAT spring must have at least partly launched the projectile.

Conte_Vincero #25 Posted 15 July 2012 - 07:28 PM

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View Postzmoll, on 15 July 2012 - 06:42 PM, said:

Hang on, if the spring was meant to only eat the recoil, why cock the spring before firing? You would only need to cock it an inch or so to have enough energy to set off the detonator cap on the propelling charge. A damper would be more appropriate than a spring for absorbing the firing recoil if that was all it was doing.
PIAT spring must have at least partly launched the projectile.
Dampers don't work like springs. A damper provides resistance to velocity (equation given in equation 1). This means that a damper will always let some of the force through as the damping force will always be less than the force applied. A spring works on a different principle, where the resisting force is proportional to displacement (given in equation 2), so provided the spring is displaced enough it can completely cancel out the recoil. Secondly after the impulse from the firing of the weapon is received, a spring will re-set, allowing the PIAT to be fired again. Whereas a damper would require the PIAT to be cocked after every shot. Finally a damper weighs more than a spring so the resulting weapon would be heavier, have more recoil and need re-cocking after ever shot
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View PostListy, on 09 July 2012 - 11:09 PM, said:

Later in the war the Carriers were issued with a PIAT. This was normally fired by the pleb in the back. So a T3 premium light tank with a PIAT... I'd buy that!

I suspect that's off limits, since it's not actually mounted on the vehicle.

However:

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Those triple Panzerschrecks look quite mounted to me. I allow WG to proceed with it. :tongue:

More realistically, Bren carrier could be tier 2 TD with the 2 pdr and 37mm PaK options at least (yeah, the PaK is German naturally, but we do have the FCM Marder as French premium). Or it could be tier 3 like the Renault carrier and have 2 pdr and 6 pdr.

I wouldn't place the ATR one above tier 1.

Listy #27 Posted 15 July 2012 - 11:04 PM

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Trouble is, how were those Panzershrecks used? Were they fired from the vehicle? (Something I have trouble believing) or were they dismounted. The presence of multiple Panzerfausts and racks for many more seem to indicate it might have been the case.

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View PostGigaton, on 15 July 2012 - 08:05 PM, said:

I suspect that's off limits, since it's not actually mounted on the vehicle.

However:

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Those triple Panzerschrecks look quite mounted to me. I allow WG to proceed with it. :tongue:


It was just a motorised version of this as the Panzerjäger Bren 731(e) had no elevation or depression.

Infantry Cart For Panzershreck

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http://beute.narod.r...zGrenDiv-05.jpg

This was the mounted Panzerschreck, 6 launchers on a Borgward B4 built as a last ditch tank destroyer (this one has been captured by the Soviet Army).

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Edited by Tigger3, 16 July 2012 - 12:09 AM.


Listy #29 Posted 16 July 2012 - 08:27 AM

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Those aren't Panzershrecks. :Smile_blinky:

Its been delayed but I was going to write up an article on the oddities used at the end of the war by the Germans. The Borgward Wanze was in there.

Edited by Listy, 16 July 2012 - 08:28 AM.


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Not wanting to spoil an otherwise damn fine discussion, but why would you want this instead of the (on my part at least!) much loved Tetrarch?

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View PostListy, on 16 July 2012 - 08:27 AM, said:

Those aren't Panzershrecks. :Smile_blinky:

Its been delayed but I was going to write up an article on the oddities used at the end of the war by the Germans. The Borgward Wanze was in there.

I thought they used Raketenpanzerbüchse 54 or 54/1 which were the later version of the Raketenpanzerbüchse 43 (no blast shield), both were commonly called the Panzerschreck.

Hence the name - Borgward B IV Ausführung mit Raketenpanzerbüchse 54

Not seen any photos of the Kubelwagen version though, that would be interesting as well.

Edited by Tigger3, 16 July 2012 - 08:54 AM.


Listy #32 Posted 16 July 2012 - 08:58 AM

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Ahh yeah, got ya.

Brain wasn't engaged.

Tigger3 #33 Posted 16 July 2012 - 09:47 AM

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View PostListy, on 16 July 2012 - 08:58 AM, said:

Ahh yeah, got ya.

Brain wasn't engaged.

Everyone has brain farts at sometime, oldtimers is getting to me as well.

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Here is the australian variant of the carrier with a 2 pounders AT gun

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It would be similar to the french UE 57

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another pic

http://www.oldcmp.ne...l/2pdr_back.jpg

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View Postspihurry, on 12 October 2012 - 08:10 AM, said:


It has the benefit over the earlier "Carrier, Armoured, 2 pdr" in that it has a fully-rotating gun mount, though less splinter protection.

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So many German Variants..

With the French 25 mm SA 34 Hotchkiss
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37mm pak36

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2 cm Flak 30/38

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28mm Schwere Panzerbuchse 41

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Canon de 75 modèle 1897

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47mm Böhler AT Gun..

http://beute.narod.r...ersal-at-03.jpg

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View PostGigaton, on 15 July 2012 - 08:05 PM, said:


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I love the rather nervous expression of the soldier on the right, sitting in a motorized mess tin full of explosives.

ElNinjaPurpura #39 Posted 25 October 2012 - 09:45 PM

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View PostJarate, on 09 July 2012 - 07:44 PM, said:



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Someone realized of the BORED expression of the man of the middle? :Smile_veryhappy:

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View PostSarraceno, on 25 October 2012 - 09:45 PM, said:

Someone realized of the BORED expression of the man of the middle? :Smile_veryhappy:
First thing I noticed.
"Jesus Christ, worst.war.ever."




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