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maybe they are nerfing the rus med tree, so it will be harder to get the best med tier 10.

naaa, its a rus tank, they will give them a new cannon with more pen, more rof, but less damage.

The QQ is strong with this one.

 Jukelo, on 10 July 2012 - 10:24 PM, said:

I've never seen so many Russian tank whiners in one place on this forum =)

Looking forward to the MM changes... also maybe the adjustments will get me back to playing my hated T-34-85.

Overall patch looks great.

 Grabarz19_PL, on 10 July 2012 - 10:44 PM, said:

I agree.  I hope it just isn't ridculously big as I'm running out of room on my hard drive.

 Strv, on 10 July 2012 - 04:10 PM, said:

OH MY GOD YES!

Finally! The SU-85 is in line with the other tier 5 TDs but why the **** remove the D10T from the T-43?

 Tomyslav, on 10 July 2012 - 07:46 PM, said:

I'd point out there's a T110 sitting in my garage at the moment, and its been there since the tank came out. Second, just for your information, I have some premium tanks, that doesn't mean that I have a premium account. The fact I got made redundant over a year ago sort of precludes the idea of buying Premium status.

Finally Yes I have premium tanks, what's your point? I also have about 20 non-premiums, which I play far more often, and guess what, I make money with most of those tanks...

 bondmd, on 10 July 2012 - 07:54 PM, said:

I see what your saying, however I'm not so sure its a factor. You're saying its annoying to have to play more games of a game you enjoy ;)
I guess part of it is the fact that I've gotten to a point where I can just sit on my garage and play what I want, when I want for fun. I do have goals for grinding, but those are long term ones that I don't feel the need to worry about.
It might seem different when you're trying to power through the tech trees.

Over all though I don't see there's been a nerf to credit makers. The long term stated goal is that the mid tiers are the most populated, and that's why they're the best credit makers. Remember the M18 Nerf from last patch, that the other individual is getting so shouty about? It was something like one or two degree's off track turning rate. If that's broken the tank for you, one must have a very unique and rather special playing style. Be honest, did anyone actually notice it?

Not that an effect on the track is an issue. The gun earns the money.
Edited by Listy, 10 July 2012 - 11:00 PM.

Some people seriously need some aid in putting 1 and 1 together. If tier spread is reduced ofc a 107mm gun would be OP at tier 5. FYI the 85mm is an excellent weapon! I would rejoice if I was playing mainly mid tier soviet tanks since a buffed 85mm will do lots of good to the balance. Also you'll get new engines can it be better? More mobile and more reliable? =)

In general I can see where this is going: less penetration and damage across the board for all nations, more shelling, more dinging. This means prolonged shootouts, more arcade gameplay and as an added commercial bonus, less credits. The commercial argument is understandable and probably minor anyway in such an indirect manner. The change of direction to further "aracadisation" is purely a matter of taste. Personally I'm not to happy about it, but this might change if it results in less camping and more daring/risky gameplay in random matches.

I am not happy at all though with the revision of the already revised German tech tree:

• I have to rebuy the Tiger(P) to get it fully researched again and unlock the Ferdi.
  
• I can flush the 30k exp. I grinded on the Stug for lateral tech tree progression down the toilet as the line to the 2nd branch's tier 5 is now gone.
  
• 
  I will have to go all the way back to the PnzJgrI to get to the new German TD's as there is in fact no lateral progression whatsoever.
  
• I will not be able to reach ze epic Ferdi from the new German TD's and skip the dreadfull JgdPnzIV.

Am I missing something or are we !@#$%^&*???

 HetzingHetzer, on 10 July 2012 - 02:55 PM, said:

Yup, can agree with that. Been using it with the 85mm anyway.

 HetzingHetzer, on 10 July 2012 - 02:55 PM, said:

Seriously, why?

Any reason from a gameplay perspective to do this?

If i have the ferdinand in my garrage, do i get the Jagdpanther 2 aswell?
And if i have ferdinand researched do i get Jagdpanther 2 researched aswell?

 Kazomir, on 10 July 2012 - 11:31 PM, said:

Unfortunately
1.No
2.No
Source : Storm Q&A on Russian forum
http://translate.goo...wlgA3_59hGIcEzQ

 Brazilski, on 10 July 2012 - 11:30 PM, said:

You can get there from the Marder II (which is a consistently awesome vehicle).

If my brother have a ferdinant, will he get a free jagdpanther II?

 _projoystick_, on 10 July 2012 - 11:54 PM, said:

2 posts above...

And, sorry for a pretty stupid question, but if I have Jagdtiger, will I get JagdPz E-100 for free? I mean I got KV-1 and KV-2 from KV with 7.3 patch.

P.S.: why did I sell Ferdi today, I would need to research only the last engine, so no exp for me on JT, darn it...

Well, actually I don't get this XP move from Ferdi to Jagdtiger, as the Ferdi moves just a step to the right, with the Jagdtiger still as follow up. Can someone give me the reason for that?

 benja8151, on 11 July 2012 - 12:08 AM, said:

Why should you? It's not a replacement. Only in such cases you get the new and the old. They only add a tank after Jagdtiger.

I can understand why they take the D10T away from T-34-85 and SU-85, but really not T-43, its horrible bad as it is now, i think :/

 benja8151, on 11 July 2012 - 12:08 AM, said:

The answer is no, The JT will remain tier 9 and the Jpz. E-100 is a completely new vehicle and the first to be tier 10,
so no free tank. The KV-1 was split and the KV-2 version was moved up to tier 6, that's why you got this one
for free.

 Kaltstein, on 11 July 2012 - 12:23 AM, said:

If you already have the Ferdi on elite status and only then, your XP will be moved to the JT.
Many people collected XP on their Ferdi, to get the tier 9 Stug E-100, but this was converted to
the tier 10 Jpz. E-100 (same model). So, by moving the XP to the JT, you can use the XP for
the new Jpz E-100.

 Nekomancer, on 11 July 2012 - 12:26 AM, said:

Hm, ok, but will JT(and others) maybe be nerfed and put into easier battles to make a place for tier 10 TD as a replacement for now top tier 9?

Still mad on myself because I sold Ferdi...

 Kaltstein, on 11 July 2012 - 12:23 AM, said:

It's because WG promised (think that's a good word) that Ferdi would go to the second TD line so people were grinding XP on it... this is done so that they don't get all mad and whiney and can still use their XP for something

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Why would they? They will go into tier 10 battles just like they do now, just with harder opponents... also most of tier 9 mediums and TDs will probably be nerfed as currently they are more of tier 9,5 tanks so they have to get downgraded to 9 (which I think is pretty retarded for TDs as tiers 10 will mostly vary alot in gameplay than 9, they could keep the tank stats...)
Edited by Grabarz19_PL, 11 July 2012 - 12:40 AM.