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Wiezo #1 Posted 10 July 2012 - 10:56 PM

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- Rebalanced some medium tanks and TD USSR:
- T-28: Removed a tool of F-30, held a general readjustment of the tank.
- T-34-85: Removed 100mm D10T gun, 85mm cannon improved D5T-85BM, added to the engine B-54K.
- T-43: Removed 100mm D10T gun, 85mm cannon improved D5T-85BM, added to the engine B-54K.
- HF-13: held a general readjustment of the tank.
- SU-85: Removed 107mm gun ZIS-6C, added gun 85mm D-5S-85BM, held a general readjustment of the machine.

CrazyCactusK #2 Posted 10 July 2012 - 11:07 PM

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Your point?

Popovic123 #3 Posted 10 July 2012 - 11:09 PM

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His point is that there is no such thing as Russian bias in this game, and that the devs are nerfing the crap out of Russian tanks recently.

Mko #4 Posted 10 July 2012 - 11:19 PM

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the fact that they are nerfing ussr tanks now means they have been OP all the time, or not? :)

Killatomate #5 Posted 10 July 2012 - 11:22 PM

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they are not nerfing the tanks, they are simply removing high pen guns in order to make tier 8 battles even more frustrating in a tier 4 / tier 5 tank. buy gold ammo or suffer! great concept

Killatomate #6 Posted 10 July 2012 - 11:24 PM

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want rediculous 400mm pen? buy a tier 10 tank (and premium account, premium tank and gold ammo)

you didnt really think you could have fun without having to pay, did you?

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View PostKillatomate, on 10 July 2012 - 11:22 PM, said:

they are not nerfing the tanks, they are simply removing high pen guns in order to make tier 8 battles even more frustrating in a tier 4 / tier 5 tank. buy gold ammo or suffer! great concept
yes yes all ways some thing to whine about is it.

Krajina_Express #8 Posted 10 July 2012 - 11:28 PM

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You forgot the KV-1, since the split I have been seeing KV-1s just bounce every single one of my shells which would normally penetrated. Although might simply be because the KV line just seems to love eating shells.

Edited by QuakeRiley, 10 July 2012 - 11:29 PM.


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View PostKillatomate, on 10 July 2012 - 11:22 PM, said:

they are not nerfing the tanks, they are simply removing high pen guns in order to make tier 8 battles even more frustrating in a tier 4 / tier 5 tank. buy gold ammo or suffer! great concept


Matchmaking spreads are being reduced in 7.5

This is, overall, GOOD for the SU-85. With tier 8 matches gone the 107mm blunderbuss becomes needlessly excessive in tier 7 and horribly inefficient in tier 5 compared to the M10 and StuG.

Edited by Tupinambis, 10 July 2012 - 11:30 PM.


Kazomir #10 Posted 10 July 2012 - 11:35 PM

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The "general readjustment" will be BUFFS.
Also, the B-54K to T-34-85 and T-43 is also BUFF.
I would love to have even more mobile T-34-85 with a 85mm BM gun, that would OWN!


And, to be honest, the T28's 57mm is the best gun for that tank.

Edited by Kazomir, 10 July 2012 - 11:35 PM.


Basardius #11 Posted 10 July 2012 - 11:36 PM

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Wow seems russian meds are geting more screwed over then any line has ever seen in this game. Theirs no need to remove the 100mm from the T-34-85 and gob smakced its being taken away from the T-43

Edited by J_Pershing, 11 July 2012 - 12:44 AM.


Killatomate #12 Posted 11 July 2012 - 12:02 AM

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View PostJ_Pershing, on 10 July 2012 - 11:36 PM, said:

Wow seems russian meds are geting more screwed over then any nation has ever seen in this game.
so they are getting more screwed than the DB (tier 7 with 132 pen) ? i dont think so

Kazomir #13 Posted 11 July 2012 - 12:09 AM

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gotta love neg reppers who dont explain themselves...

Basardius #14 Posted 11 July 2012 - 12:28 AM

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View PostKillatomate, on 11 July 2012 - 12:02 AM, said:

so they are getting more screwed than the DB (tier 7 with 132 pen) ? i dont think so

Seems you've never played the Russian medium line then.
A-20 is a fast foward only death can.
T-34 is the renowned weakest Tier 5 med.
T-34-85 has real paper armour and its only saving grace is the 100mm.
T-43 is a crew death, module breaking, fuel burning, ammo racking cluster fuck. T-43 was the worst tank and nastiest thing Iv played on this game.
KV-13 currently is slightly bouncey med with a pea shoter (Just like your DB in terms of power)
T-44 is alright in terms of power. still has its ammo rack issues.
lastly the T-54 lacks any key traits over any of the other nations while having more expensive ammo then the IS7! This tank is a joke currently.

Yes I do believe russian meds are the weakest by a long shot.

Edited by J_Pershing, 11 July 2012 - 12:30 AM.


Psycho_Baby_ #15 Posted 11 July 2012 - 12:31 AM

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- T-28: Removed a tool of F-30, held a general readjustment of the tank.

57 mm is fine. But what happens with the XP?

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- T-34-85: Removed 100mm D10T gun, 85mm cannon improved D5T-85BM, added to the engine B-54K.

The second 85mm is better for medium purposes, nothing to see, move along.

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- T-43: Removed 100mm D10T gun, 85mm cannon improved D5T-85BM, added to the engine B-54K.

Now I don't get that, but we will see.


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- HF-13: held a general readjustment of the tank.

It's needed IMO


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- SU-85: Removed 107mm gun ZIS-6C, added gun 85mm D-5S-85BM, held a general readjustment of the machine.

Justified

Edited by Sinenfutorepatolvaj, 11 July 2012 - 12:31 AM.


Basardius #16 Posted 11 July 2012 - 12:34 AM

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View PostKazomir, on 11 July 2012 - 12:09 AM, said:

gotta love neg reppers who dont explain themselves...

Agree m8

Trilandian #17 Posted 11 July 2012 - 12:42 AM

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I think this change is very positive. I've played the T-28 with the 85 mm and it takes forever to aim the damn thing.

Also, I'm currently playing the SU-85 with the 107 mm gun, and it's flat-out ridiculous for a tier 5 TD. Not only does it hit like an arty, it also costs as much. I feel like an accountant when playing it, considering whether each shot is worth the 260 credits. The inaccuracy is also a minus. An 85 mm with 0.35 accuracy and good ROF would be fantastic. Unfortunately, I'll probably be at least mostly done with it by the time the patch arrives.

m14kill #18 Posted 11 July 2012 - 12:58 AM

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FFs we all know that these tanks aren`t mostly using that guns (anyone using 85mm or 100mm on t-34-85 is just a MF masochist). And for SU-85? Good, it is buff so low tier players may finally survive meeting with e8 or wolvie (107 is crap anyway IMO). Besides, If some russian tanks would be a bit worse than it piers, game would get more fun. Finally.

P.S. About patch itself: I still hate that t110 X tier non turreted TD craptank. So patch is still kinda retarded. (srsly, most accurate and the worst armored german TD`s now get their bunker (similar to t95, right? and us get agile low armor crapgun TD, if i would want that i would go for MF JT) Swaping toptanks from one tree to another is extremely stupid. GET T95 ON X tier!

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View PostQuakeRiley, on 10 July 2012 - 11:28 PM, said:

You forgot the KV-1, since the split I have been seeing KV-1s just bounce every single one of my shells which would normally penetrated. Although might simply be because the KV line just seems to love eating shells.
Get the 122mm U-11 gun, i penetrate the side of a KV-1S pretty often with that, dealing full HE damage. I love to see them burning after that.

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View PostJ_Pershing, on 11 July 2012 - 12:28 AM, said:

Seems you've never played the Russian medium line then.
A-20 is a fast foward only death can.
T-34 is the renowned weakest Tier 5 med.
T-34-85 has real paper armour and its only saving grace is the 100mm.
T-43 is a crew death, module breaking, fuel burning, ammo racking cluster fuck. T-43 was the worst tank and nastiest thing Iv played on this game.
KV-13 currently is slightly bouncey med with a pea shoter (Just like your DB in terms of power)
T-44 is alright in terms of power. still has its ammo rack issues.
lastly the T-54 lacks any key traits over any of the other nations while having more expensive ammo then the IS7! This tank is a joke currently.

Yes I do believe russian meds are the weakest by a long shot.
i have elited all russian tanks.

A-20: in my first battle (stock, 50% crew) i got 7 kills in it, assaulting the enemy base all on my own, killing 5 arties and 2 defenders. i got that rare "arty pwnage" medal for it)
T-34: dont remember anything bad about it. hammering enemies with accurate shells, only to see them panic and die
T-34-85: its not OP, but i could damage any tank head on without any trouble, also great tank for hit n run. high pen guns earn you more exp.
T-43: it wasnt bad it all, it was AVERAGE (buhu). after playing german tanks with 132 pen gun (DB) it was really easy with that russian 175 pen gun.
KV-13: better than DB in armor, speed and penetration (oh buhu)
T-44: i had 61% winratio in it, before it got 12 attributes buffed. nuff said
T-54: after it got nerfed it is AVERAGE, no need to complain (except for ammo cost). it still got best camo and is hard to hit





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