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AceF #21 Posted 11 July 2012 - 07:44 AM

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ANyone having an idea how they will buff the 85mm gun, betetr pen or rof? ? SInce I never used the 100mm gun on those tanks ever, it is maybe time to start play the t34-85 again if I start to play the game again..

MrAllko #22 Posted 11 July 2012 - 08:11 AM

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The T-34-85 already did get nerfed some time ago when r.o.f. was decreased for the 100mm gun. Now WG are removeing the gun? Can I get my credits back for the rammer i boght? ;]
Anyway .. if WG decrease T spread for the T-34-85 than it doesnt need the 100mm if not... yet another tank I`ll have to sell.

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View PostKillatomate, on 10 July 2012 - 11:22 PM, said:

they are not nerfing the tanks, they are simply removing high pen guns in order to make tier 8 battles even more frustrating in a tier 4 / tier 5 tank. buy gold ammo or suffer! great concept

True..

shera #24 Posted 11 July 2012 - 06:18 PM

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View PostJ_Pershing, on 11 July 2012 - 12:28 AM, said:

T-43 is a crew death, module breaking, fuel burning, ammo racking cluster fuck.

Made my day ;)

Hornet331 #25 Posted 11 July 2012 - 06:39 PM

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View PostPopovic123, on 10 July 2012 - 11:09 PM, said:

His point is that there is no such thing as Russian bias in this game, and that the devs are nerfing the crap out of Russian tanks recently.

after 2 years.... and for me it seems they rather do an artificial power creep... to eliminate the last profitable mid tier tanks.

There are only a few left... VK36 will be also eliminated when it goes heavy.

Edited by Hornet331, 11 July 2012 - 06:49 PM.


Basardius #26 Posted 13 July 2012 - 04:28 AM

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View Postshera, on 11 July 2012 - 06:18 PM, said:

Made my day ;)

Glad someones happy from my misfortunes ;)

Edited by J_Pershing, 13 July 2012 - 04:29 AM.


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View PostPopovic123, on 10 July 2012 - 11:09 PM, said:

His point is that there is no such thing as Russian bias in this game, and that the devs are nerfing the crap out of Russian tanks recently.

Er...E100 nerf and IS4 buff in 7.5. Smells fishy to me. Also the Tier IX mediums apart from the T54 all get nerfs to upgraded equipment, the T54 gets only nerfs to stock equipment. Want me to go on?

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It's not the russian bias(a small one at high tiers) in the game, but the anti German BIAS that bothers me.

0.7.5 test ones again proves the anti german bias. E-50 got nerfed to oblivion where as T-54 stayed the same. E-100 and Maus got the most useless buff ever, more HP does NOT fix anything. It only makes your tank more expensive and gives others more exp for killing it.

Abot russian bias, they only nerf small russian tanks. When was the last time tier 8+ russian tank got a nerf, because I don't remember as it has been so long.

Edited by hopeasusi, 13 July 2012 - 07:47 AM.


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View Posthopeasusi, on 13 July 2012 - 07:46 AM, said:

It's not the russian bias(a small one at high tiers) in the game, but the anti German BIAS that bothers me.

0.7.5 test ones again proves the anti german bias. E-50 got nerfed to oblivion where as T-54 stayed the same. E-100 and Maus got the most useless buff ever, more HP does NOT fix anything. It only makes your tank more expensive and gives others more exp for killing it.

Abot russian bias, they only nerf small russian tanks. When was the last time tier 8+ russian tank got a nerf, because I don't remember as it has been so long.

Few things to note about this:

The T-54 didn't get nerfed because its already the worst performing tier 9 medium worldwide. The other tier 9 meds are simply being brought down to its level.

The IS-4 got exactly half the buff that the Maus got. If its a stupid, worthless buff for the Maus, its even worse of a buff for the IS-4.

The E-50 ausf M is shaping up to be notably better than the T-62A [except for DPM], simply because the E-50M actually has a role it is adapted for, while the T62A is relatively mediocre at everything [There is nothing I can think of that it can do that the M48 can't do better. The E-50M has the single most accurate cannon in the entire game]. Plus it LOST armor from the T-54.

Edited by Tupinambis, 13 July 2012 - 07:51 AM.


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View Posthopeasusi, on 13 July 2012 - 07:46 AM, said:

It's not the russian bias(a small one at high tiers) in the game, but the anti German BIAS that bothers me.

0.7.5 test ones again proves the anti german bias. E-50 got nerfed to oblivion where as T-54 stayed the same. E-100 and Maus got the most useless buff ever, more HP does NOT fix anything. It only makes your tank more expensive and gives others more exp for killing it.

Abot russian bias, they only nerf small russian tanks. When was the last time tier 8+ russian tank got a nerf, because I don't remember as it has been so long.


Anti-German bias? Please, fresh up my memory, how many times US got nerfed for no reason at all? Like T30 m40/43 M12 T92 Patton Pershing T95 T28 T32? (and these are only high tiers) So wtf? Do you remember that T30 was a MF craptank for like a year and few days more until swap to t110 appeared? Or maybe you recall T34 with old 105mm gun on IX tier with no armor or gun for exping tracks+turret+gun? Please, shut it. We know that russians are better. Not only german line is nerfed all the time.

Kazomir #31 Posted 13 July 2012 - 10:39 PM

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View PostKazomir, on 11 July 2012 - 12:09 AM, said:

gotta love neg reppers who dont explain themselves...

Got negrepped, no explanation really :D

On annother note, i tried the new T-34-85 elited. And my GOD is it BETTER. It has new looking turret, 30 more hp, its twice as mobile as before, and the gun is pretty much heaven for a med tank. I soloed an IS-6 driving circles around him, i LIKE that TANK!

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View PostPopovic123, on 10 July 2012 - 11:09 PM, said:

His point is that there is no such thing as Russian bias in this game, and that the devs are nerfing the crap out of Russian tanks recently.
well whats wrong to nerf OP tanks to a balanced status?

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View Posthopeasusi, on 13 July 2012 - 07:46 AM, said:

It's not the russian bias(a small one at high tiers) in the game, but the anti German BIAS that bothers me.

0.7.5 test ones again proves the anti german bias. E-50 got nerfed to oblivion where as T-54 stayed the same. E-100 and Maus got the most useless buff ever, more HP does NOT fix anything. It only makes your tank more expensive and gives others more exp for killing it.

Abot russian bias, they only nerf small russian tanks. When was the last time tier 8+ russian tank got a nerf, because I don't remember as it has been so long.
The tier 9 IS 4 got an effective nerf when it was promoted to tier 10. This happened at the last patch.


Going by the statistics in Snib's excellent thread it's all relative. You could call it an an anti-German bias or you could call it a pro Chinese / American / French bias.

In the higher tiers there also seems to be a pro-medium bias and an anti-heavy bias.

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You do realize that they are buffing the T-34-85 right?
They added a 600HP engine, which takes the T-34-85 and T-43 to almost 20hp/ton. That is a ~20% mobility buff and having played both tanks on test, I can say it matters A LOT.
The new 85mm is great! Buffed alpha without a nerfed ROF + better aimtime = higher DPM.
Honestly the new T-34-85 feels awesome, combined with the new MM (T4-T8) the 144mm pen is more then enough for a fast flanker.

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View PostFreakDC, on 14 July 2012 - 01:21 AM, said:

You do realize that they are buffing the T-34-85 right?
They added a 600HP engine, which takes the T-34-85 and T-43 to almost 20hp/ton. That is a ~20% mobility buff and having played both tanks on test, I can say it matters A LOT.
The new 85mm is great! Buffed alpha without a nerfed ROF + better aimtime = higher DPM.
Honestly the new T-34-85 feels awesome, combined with the new MM (T4-T8) the 144mm pen is more then enough for a fast flanker.


QFT.

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View PostPopovic123, on 10 July 2012 - 11:09 PM, said:

His point is that there is no such thing as Russian bias in this game, and that the devs are nerfing the crap out of Russian tanks recently.
Actually not. USSR MT line was weakest compared to others, it's USSR TD line was slightly OP. They remove 100 mm and buff 85 mm gun to balance them with new Tier X MT. Additionally MTs will have MM table <own tier> + 2 (maximum).

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View PostYamaxanadu, on 14 July 2012 - 01:54 AM, said:

Actually not. USSR MT line was weakest compared to others, it's USSR TD line was slightly OP. They remove 100 mm and buff 85 mm gun to balance them with new Tier X MT. Additionally MTs will have MM table <own tier> + 2 (maximum).
The USSR meds buff is great and I love it! I drive all the Nations but if there is any bias it's more an anti German bias. Just look at what they will do to the E-100 (worst T10 Heavy atm) they even nerfed it...
E-50 nerfed in 0.7.3 with the "hint" that it might not need to be nerfed in 0.7.5, now E-50 is the only tank that only gets nerfs and no buff (except the MM buff all T9 meds get).
That's just bullshit, Batchat and Patton far outperform both the E-50 and T-54.
IS-4 only gets buffed and it's already better then the E-100.

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View PostFreakDC, on 14 July 2012 - 02:14 AM, said:

The USSR meds buff is great and I love it! I drive all the Nations but if there is any bias it's more an anti German bias. Just look at what they will do to the E-100 (worst T10 Heavy atm) they even nerfed it...
E-50 nerfed in 0.7.3 with the "hint" that it might not need to be nerfed in 0.7.5, now E-50 is the only tank that only gets nerfs and no buff (except the MM buff all T9 meds get).
That's just bullshit, Batchat and Patton far outperform both the E-50 and T-54.
IS-4 only gets buffed and it's already better then the E-100.

You're being too selective.
The Patton got nerfed harder than the E-50 and the T-54, mostly because [at least according to stats] it is the better tank.
The E-50 itself got nerfed compared to the T-54 [which didn't get nerfed] because it still managed to perform better.
You're also leaving out the Maus. It got twice the buff that the IS-4 got. While the RoF nerf sucks, the accuracy buff is critical. Currently the E-100's 150mm gun is essentially the only legitimately inaccurate cannon in the German tree.

Speaking of accuracy, the E-50 ausf M has the single most accurate gun in the entire game. DPM is underwhelming, yeah, but it definitely has its advantages. I'd personally rate it above the T-62A.

Edited by Tupinambis, 14 July 2012 - 02:59 AM.


george_smiley #39 Posted 14 July 2012 - 07:41 AM

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If you're not playing Russian tanks might as well not play this game because it's not gonna be worth it. It sucks that Tier 7 German, French and American guns would richochet shells at the hull of even a Tier 5 Russian tank. That's ridiculous. I just wish some European or American company would invent a similar, better game, where there's no nationalism involved in the development. There's really no point introducing tanks from other nations if you're just gonna make them target practice of Russian tanks. This game was designed intentionally that the Russian tanks would be the toughest and highest damaging units and with the Germans being their snipers, The French Being their recon and Americans their flank support. Don't you just notice how the Russian tanks are designed to be at the spearhead of every game? That every other tank is just a support unit and if it's not Russian versus Russian, you better duck and find cover like the only chance of winning would be to successfully flank the rear. I hate it when it always happens, "Oh Man, Russian tanks again in this road. I'm gonna find another route and flank them." why not design the game where every tank has a fair chance of winning in an upfront battle?

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Like this: Oh IS-3 up front, hit it at the tracks: "Richochet!". Hit it at the glacis plate: "Ricochet!". Hit the Driver: "Ricochet!" before you get a clean shot, you're dead. Up front where the only vulnerable part is the glacis plate and tracks and where it's at the bottom part you're gonna have to expose yourself to penetrate and aim well coz the vulnerable section is too small for a moving tank. While your tank is a big square box that doesn't ricochet shells, and lots of vulnerable points. How bad can that be for other players with non-russian tanks?





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