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war4peace #41 Posted 14 July 2012 - 08:17 AM

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View PostKillatomate, on 10 July 2012 - 11:22 PM, said:

they are not nerfing the tanks, they are simply removing high pen guns in order to make tier 8 battles even more frustrating in a tier 4 / tier 5 tank. buy gold ammo or suffer! great concept
Yeah well if you only cared to read the 0.7.5 patch notes, you would have realized that Tier 5 tanks will no longer meet Tier 8 enemies in battle. The nerf is an expected adjustment and makes sense in that light.

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View Postgeorge_smiley, on 14 July 2012 - 07:55 AM, said:

Like this: Oh IS-3 up front, hit it at the tracks: "Richochet!". Hit it at the glacis plate: "Ricochet!". Hit the Driver: "Ricochet!" before you get a clean shot, you're dead. Up front where the only vulnerable part is the glacis plate and tracks and where it's at the bottom part you're gonna have to expose yourself to penetrate and aim well coz the vulnerable section is too small for a moving tank. While your tank is a big square box that doesn't ricochet shells, and lots of vulnerable points. How bad can that be for other players with non-russian tanks?

What are you shooting at it with? Most tier 7 and 8 tanks can blast straight through the IS-3's front hull without aiming anywhere.

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View PostTupinambis, on 14 July 2012 - 02:58 AM, said:

You're also leaving out the Maus. It got twice the buff that the IS-4 got. While the RoF nerf sucks, the accuracy buff is critical. Currently the E-100's 150mm gun is essentially the only legitimately inaccurate cannon in the German tree.


You do know that the German Tier X guns lack on penetration values? German armor is effective only against German guns, not against other nations. Now I know Maus is a bit different but the E100 is the worst of them all.

edit: You can cope with the lack of accuracy, but not the lack of penetration.

Edited by Jagemoni, 14 July 2012 - 08:49 AM.


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View Postgeorge_smiley, on 14 July 2012 - 07:55 AM, said:

Like this: Oh IS-3 up front, hit it at the tracks: "Richochet!". Hit it at the glacis plate: "Ricochet!". Hit the Driver: "Ricochet!" before you get a clean shot, you're dead. Up front where the only vulnerable part is the glacis plate and tracks and where it's at the bottom part you're gonna have to expose yourself to penetrate and aim well coz the vulnerable section is too small for a moving tank. While your tank is a big square box that doesn't ricochet shells, and lots of vulnerable points. How bad can that be for other players with non-russian tanks?

My winrates for tier 8 heavies:
IS-3: 52,4%
T34: 55,4%
Tiger II: 56%
KV-5: 55,2%

Yep, the non russians sure suck in my hands. Oh yessir... Every fight I get into with the IS-3 I can only count on my turret to bounce stuff. The hull gets penned by anything armed with more than a toothpick.

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View PostTupinambis, on 14 July 2012 - 08:48 AM, said:

What are you shooting at it with? Most tier 7 and 8 tanks can blast straight through the IS-3's front hull without aiming anywhere.

My T95 bounced off IS-3, IS-4, IS-6 and IS-8 from angles where it shouldn't have bounced. From up close, it't not the case, but from a distance, you have a high chance of nicking spaced armor or funny angles.

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These types of complaints have been going on since last year if you see in these forums. There's not just one guy complaining about this, but a lot. There's some truth to this, and the DEV better pay attention to the feedback otherwise the players WILL FIND A BETTER GAME. Some keep saying Russian tanks not OP, but for sure in this forum you will NEVER see anyone say "OMG GERMAN TANKS ARE OP" or "AMERICAN TANKS ARE OP". That alone is proof and if you don't listen, go watch your revenue fall because this game is soon to be called "World of Russian Tanks everyone else is cannon fodder"

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View Postgeorge_smiley, on 14 July 2012 - 10:16 AM, said:

These types of complaints have been going on since last year if you see in these forums. There's not just one guy complaining about this, but a lot. There's some truth to this, and the DEV better pay attention to the feedback otherwise the players WILL FIND A BETTER GAME. Some keep saying Russian tanks not OP, but for sure in this forum you will NEVER see anyone say "OMG GERMAN TANKS ARE OP" or "AMERICAN TANKS ARE OP". That alone is proof and if you don't listen, go watch your revenue fall because this game is soon to be called "World of Russian Tanks everyone else is cannon fodder"

Guess the standard for what is proof is rather low where you come from. Here that would be called opinnion.

I'm guessing the earth is flat, the matchmaker rigged, the dice fixed and whatever has been floating around in the forum since a year ago.

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View Postshaermon, on 14 July 2012 - 10:40 AM, said:

Guess the standard for what is proof is rather low where you come from. Here that would be called opinnion.

I'm guessing the earth is flat, the matchmaker rigged, the dice fixed and whatever has been floating around in the forum since a year ago.

You're entitled to your opinion too. But someone please show me anyone who says "GERMAN TANKS OP". Like some IS-3 driver that says "Me outmatched by Tiger II huhuhu can't hit, always Ricochet." coz as far as you scrounge this forum, you can always find someone  complaining about German tanks and barely about Russian tanks. Never seen a thread that says "German Tanks OP". You might wana start a thread like that, just for the record so at least - it happened once in a while and then you can prove me wrong and the rest of the people here too, who have been telling the same story ever since, and who's opinions landed on deaf ears.

Edited by george_smiley, 14 July 2012 - 12:29 PM.


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View Postgeorge_smiley, on 14 July 2012 - 12:28 PM, said:

You're entitled to your opinion too. But someone please show me anyone who says "GERMAN TANKS OP". Like some IS-3 driver that says "Me outmatched by Tiger II huhuhu can't hit, always Ricochet." coz as far as you scrounge this forum, you can always find someone  complaining about German tanks and barely about Russian tanks. Never seen a thread that says "German Tanks OP". You might wana start a thread like that, just for the record so at least - it happened once in a while and then you can prove me wrong and the rest of the people here too, who have been telling the same story ever since, and who's opinions landed on deaf ears.

Oh there were. But few in between; and mostly created by people who i presume have some serious trouble remembering to breathe. The last wave came with the announcement of the removal of the 100 D10T gun from the T34/85; which for me is a completely OP funcannon on a pretty powerful medium tank. Loads of fun; but OP, hands down. Taking it away is actually something resembling balance, especially with the new MM; and leaves the tank with the very decent 85mm D5T - 85BM. But of course; there the whining was done by tactical masterminds; every single one capable of becoming one with his machine; not like all those german "n00bz0rs" falling for dumb propaganda. The german tree suffers from some serious problems, especially the top tiers; and although the line between whining and voicing well-founded complaints is; as always, blurry, the german tech tree is simply partially obsolete in its current state.

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View PostMko, on 10 July 2012 - 11:19 PM, said:

the fact that they are nerfing ussr tanks now means they have been OP all the time, or not? :)
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View PostTupinambis, on 10 July 2012 - 11:29 PM, said:

Matchmaking spreads are being reduced in 7.5

This is, overall, GOOD for the SU-85. With tier 8 matches gone the 107mm blunderbuss becomes needlessly excessive in tier 7 and horribly inefficient in tier 5 compared to the M10 and StuG.

Did you just say that the 107mm on Su-85 was "horribly inefficient"? That's complete bullshit.

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View PostJ_Pershing, on 11 July 2012 - 12:28 AM, said:

Seems you've never played the Russian medium line then.
A-20 is a fast foward only death can.
T-34 is the renowned weakest Tier 5 med.
T-34-85 has real paper armour and its only saving grace is the 100mm.
T-43 is a crew death, module breaking, fuel burning, ammo racking cluster fuck. T-43 was the worst tank and nastiest thing Iv played on this game.
KV-13 currently is slightly bouncey med with a pea shoter (Just like your DB in terms of power)
T-44 is alright in terms of power. still has its ammo rack issues.
lastly the T-54 lacks any key traits over any of the other nations while having more expensive ammo then the IS7! This tank is a joke currently.

Yes I do believe russian meds are the weakest by a long shot.

Hahahaha you amuze me.

A-20.. That's a scout, yes, but when you are in your own tier you can easily own everything, the A-20 doesn't lose much speed either when it turns.
PzIII Is also fast forward death, but I suppose that doesn't matter..
Lee... well... yeah..

T-34 is definitely not weak, it's beastly! I love it, it's super mobile, it has a fast gun, all you need to do is to learn to play with it correctly and you'll be killing people in no time.

T-34-85 in it self is not OP, but with 100mm gun in tier 6 it's pretty damn OP. Not to mention it's a MEDIUM tank with a supposedly weaker gun than the heavies.

T-43 however is not that great, it could certainly use a better engine.

KV-13 I haven't played this one so I can't say much about it. The fact that it has better armor, speed, penetration and damage is just astounding, that shouldn't even be possible.

T-44 Has great front armour for being a medium tank and there's nothing wrong with the gun.

T-54 is far from average, it's still a great tank, I haven't played one myself but I have seen lots of player just rolling around with it.

Edited by DaReaperZ, 14 July 2012 - 04:14 PM.


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View PostDaReaperZ, on 14 July 2012 - 03:51 PM, said:

Did you just say that the 107mm on Su-85 was "horribly inefficient"? That's complete bullshit.
It is inefficient in tier5 battles, because it reloads too slowly and aims too slowly to be any good against the faster paced low tier battles. You need 2 shots too take out a pz3, and a stug need 3 shots, and guess what? The stug fires those 3 shots faster, and doesn't massively overkill his target with the last round.

he's not saying it's a bad gun, just that in tier5 battles, it's not the most efficient gun on the SU85

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View PostTrilandian, on 11 July 2012 - 12:42 AM, said:

I think this change is very positive. I've played the T-28 with the 85 mm and it takes forever to aim the damn thing.

Also, I'm currently playing the SU-85 with the 107 mm gun, and it's flat-out ridiculous for a tier 5 TD. Not only does it hit like an arty, it also costs as much. I feel like an accountant when playing it, considering whether each shot is worth the 260 credits. The inaccuracy is also a minus. An 85 mm with 0.35 accuracy and good ROF would be fantastic. Unfortunately, I'll probably be at least mostly done with it by the time the patch arrives.

Oh my dear boy.. you need to learn how to play the SU-85 correctly, and with 100% crew. It's not that inaccurate and the 107mm is flat out the best TD gun in tier 5.

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View PostExocet6951, on 14 July 2012 - 04:06 PM, said:

You need 2 shots too take out a pz3, and a stug need 3 shots, and guess what? The stug fires those 3 shots faster
su-85
2 shots 8.7 seconds (167 pen, 600 dmg)

Stug III
3 shots 8.8 seconds (138 pen, 405 dmg)

Liar!  newbish russ fanboys ran out of cheap arguments!

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View Postgeorge_smiley, on 14 July 2012 - 10:16 AM, said:

These types of complaints have been going on since last year if you see in these forums. There's not just one guy complaining about this, but a lot. There's some truth to this, and the DEV better pay attention to the feedback otherwise the players WILL FIND A BETTER GAME. Some keep saying Russian tanks not OP, but for sure in this forum you will NEVER see anyone say "OMG GERMAN TANKS ARE OP" or "AMERICAN TANKS ARE OP". That alone is proof and if you don't listen, go watch your revenue fall because this game is soon to be called "World of Russian Tanks everyone else is cannon fodder"

That doesn't have anything to do with developers being Russian? IMO the whole crying of USSR tanks being OP mainly comes from players' mindset: WG = Russian, so WG must make USSR stuff superior.

By statistics the USSR vehicles (in Europe region) have the second lowest win ratio of all nations. That either means that USSR tanks are actually inferior, or that that average USSR player is less skilled. Either way, the outcome is same.

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View PostDaReaperZ, on 14 July 2012 - 04:06 PM, said:

A-20.. That's a scout, yes, but when you are in your own tier you can easily own everything, the A-20 doesn't lose much speed either when it turns.
PzIII Is also fast forward death, but I suppose that doesn't matter..

T-34-85 in it self is not OP, but with 100mm gun in tier 6 it's pretty damn OP.

T-43 however is not that great, it could certainly use a better engine.

KV-13 I haven't played this one so I can't say much about it. The fact that it has better armor, speed, penetration and damage is just astounding, that shouldn't even be possible.

T-44 Has great front armour for being a medium tank and there's nothing wrong with the gun.
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View PostMko, on 10 July 2012 - 11:19 PM, said:

the fact that they are nerfing ussr tanks now means they have been OP all the time, or not? :)
no thay r nerfing them so you whining kids be happy and pay more money thats why!

Edited by RD11, 14 July 2012 - 05:33 PM.


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View PostKillatomate, on 14 July 2012 - 04:13 PM, said:

su-85
2 shots 8.7 seconds (167 pen, 600 dmg)

Stug III
3 shots 8.8 seconds (138 pen, 405 dmg)

Liar!  newbish russ fanboys ran out of cheap arguments!
Yeh, because you aim just as fast with the 107mm than with the 75mm :Smile_sceptic:

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Stug III will need 4 shots because it bounces more than Su-85. that's 13.2 seconds.





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