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Anthoniusii #1 Posted 13 July 2012 - 08:25 PM

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My question is based on the 0.7.5 patch anouncement.

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T-54:
  • Increased durability with first turret T-54 mod. 1946
  • Slightly lowered balance weight
  • Increased turning speed of first suspension
  • Increased accuracy whilst on the move with first suspension
  • Corrected aiming speeds for both turrets
  • Corrected RoF for 100 mm D-10Т mod. 1945 gun
  • Decreased RoF for 100 mm LB-1 gun on stock turret
  • Increased characteristics of all guns, except the 100 mm D-54
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except the 100 mm D-54

WG says to us all...
You complain about T-54 is a costly tank that uses the worsy gun of its tier and it has the most expensive ammo of its tier too.
What we do ?
WE MAKE FUN OF YOU ALL.
That is the conclusion of that text above.
You -players- will still pay a whole fortune for a totaly unworthy product only for the hope that our new product will be proven better!
So...you will still need an entire forthune to maintain your tank until you will find the exp and the money to buy T-62!
But unless your credit card IS NOT loaded to bribe us for that YOU WILL never reach the exp or the credits needed for T-62 because out T-54 is the best money trap
we made for you FOOLS!
Am I right WG?
So you improve LB-1 gun knowing that it will be useless what ever the improvement just to through some "ash" to our eyes simply because your team refuses to admit that you hate everything ex-soviet and that you made a great mistake when you developed D-54s stats!
So for these reasons players will never have the chance to reach the exp needed for T-62 simply because the wont live for long as they do NOT now!
WG ..you have made a very good game. Tha's a fact but it wont be great enough unless you learn that you must admit your mistakes and that admiting a mistake
is not wrong or make you less respectfull.
So...tell me will D-54 will still have the most expensive ammo in its tier?
Will D-54 will be the MOST inaccurate in its tier?
Will D-54 on T-62 will be any better?
Will Chat Bat be the best med in its tier in the entire game?
Can you tell me if i can have my 50 euros i spent for this crap that named T-54 back?
Will still users of T-54 will simply be the exercise targets for the tier9/10 heavies and meds?


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Maj_Solo #2 Posted 13 July 2012 - 08:35 PM

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View PostAnthoniusii, on 13 July 2012 - 08:25 PM, said:

You complain about T-54 is a costly tank that uses the worsy gun of its tier and it has the most expensive ammo of its tier too.

u nailed it.

also they just blow up when arty hit them.

T54 is a fantastic med from the early game days that WG messed with.

also WG introduced more threats to the T54 over 12 months period.

Only old tank that is still alive and kicking is the Patton ..... and the Pershing too, Go go go USA medium. ( waving flag )

Also I dont think they fix the T54. They just give u a new tank that u want. mmmuuuuuahahahahaahahah

as I said last summer .... only way to protect yourself is to have them all

Knobster #3 Posted 13 July 2012 - 08:40 PM

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All tier 9 mediums get nerfed because tier 10 mediums are introduced, except for t54 that gets almost only buffs, yeah WG really hates the t54...

Anthoniusii #4 Posted 13 July 2012 - 08:43 PM

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I hope someday a Developer will make us the honor to answer our questions.
I am a modder in another game -no need to say which-and in the creator's site you can have personal answers for any developer.
And these guys belong to one of the oldest game companies.
If WG would like to stay long in this game world its devs must respect their customers and give the needed answers,

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All tier 9 mediums get nerfed because tier 10 mediums are introduced, except for t54 that gets almost only buffs, yeah WG really hates the t54...
I know it my friend...but someone of th edev team must tell us why!
They should have warnings when a customer buys a new tank.
"Caution this tank is a crap but after it you get a decsent one"...

Edited by Anthoniusii, 13 July 2012 - 08:45 PM.


Homer_J #5 Posted 13 July 2012 - 08:44 PM

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It's getting buffs stock/part upgraded and better matchmaking.  Troll post?

I actually expected the top gun to be removed from it.  And maybe the frontal armour to be dropped to the 100mm of the actual production version.

Edited by Homer_J, 13 July 2012 - 08:47 PM.


Maj_Solo #6 Posted 13 July 2012 - 08:46 PM

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View PostKnobster, on 13 July 2012 - 08:40 PM, said:

All tier 9 mediums get nerfed because tier 10 mediums are introduced, except for t54 that gets almost only buffs, yeah WG really hates the t54...

it got ULTRAnerfed IMHO in several steps during the autumn. No u rather have a Patton in the garage these days or a E50 -------- until WG started nerfing that one too,

Edited by Maj_Solo, 13 July 2012 - 08:46 PM.


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What exactly do you expect the T-54 to do? By the looks of it people are always unhappy if every single tank is not "Top of the List".

The Tiger is too weak.
The T-54 is too weak.
The Maus is too weak.
The T-34 is too weak.

Why not just start a topic where we say "ALL THE TANKS NEED A BUFF", and WG will introduce a patch which makes all of the tanks invincle, even though all of their guns will have over 1,000 penetration and damage? On top of that, make it so that every single game is a victory for everybody. Nobody will ever lose, and everybody will have the best tank about!

While we are at it, why not get rid of the Matchmaker completely? Battles will be played Solo!

/Sarcasm Off

On a serious note. Every tank needs to follow some strategy in order to succeed on the battlefield. Expecting a tank to perform beyond its designation (A light Tank acting as a Heavy tank, for example) means there is something awfully fishy happening. Most Medium tanks have speed, and in the case of the T-54 low and sloped profile. That makes it a decent enough tank in my book to fight lone heaviest up close. By the looks of it, its gun is not the best about, but it is still on the level of a Tier IX gun.

Small things may be changed in a tank, for the sake of balance. But hoping for the impossible? Read what I wrote at the beginning.

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View PostHomer_J, on 13 July 2012 - 08:44 PM, said:

It's getting buffs stock/part upgraded and better matchmaking.  Troll post?
Troll?
In TWC i have almost 15000 posts and know when i must post something and when not..
Unless you are NOT a troll with your answer explain the fact that T-54 has the worst upgraded gun in entire game?
You pay 221000 credits and spent more than 90000 exp to have a gun that is THE WORST!
So who is trolling me or you?

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What people dont seem to notice is that most of these buffs are for the stock T-54 and it's not that bad stock, the problem is when you get it elite. Because 1200 per shell is pretty steep considering the damage and accuracy. It's not a bad tank, I would say it's meh.

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View Posti486DX, on 13 July 2012 - 08:48 PM, said:

What people dont seem to notice is that most of these buffs are for the stock T-54 and it's not that bad stock, the problem is when you get it elite. Because 1200 per shell is pretty steep considering the damage and accuracy. It's not a bad tank, I would say it's meh.

yes .... when u elite it ,,,,,,,, "Wooooohaaaa  ,,,, ?????   ....  what happened to my silver",

Edward_Teague #11 Posted 13 July 2012 - 08:53 PM

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Sorry homer j ur the one trolling. Buffing stock parts does not equal = end product buff.

It's like buffing the rof of d-25 120m gun on is4. Its still going to be shit .

Anthoniusii #12 Posted 13 July 2012 - 09:01 PM

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@WriterX
You have a point that everyone wants his/her favotite tank to be the best.
But lets see some facts?
You mentioned T-34.
I have 1027 battles with T-34 .
It was one of the best tier 5 meds unless T-50-2 that uses the same 57mm gun apeared.
From that momment T-34 became a "scout" and i mean that 90% of the battles a T-34 fights against tier 8-9 tanks as a scout.
But T-34 has weakest armor,is slower and has 100 less life points from T-50-2!!
You mentioned Tiger.
Before 0.7.2 patch Tiger was realy useless because long 88mm gun could not penetrate anything .Things became worst when Type apeared and Tiger (a heavy)
had no gun to defend its self neither Panther II that used the same gun!
WG realised the mistake and now long 88mm gun is what it had to be from the start.
For your info i have 1058 battles with Tiger.
Remember T-44?
Before LB-1 addition was the 3rd worthless soviet medium in the raw!
A simple addition made the tank a pleasure for itts users no matter if they lose or win.
Personaly i like fighting and dislike hide and wait others to win for me and that is why in 6758 I have an average of survibal only 23%.
I do not complain for my loses i just want when i play to have the same fun and pleasure with users that use other tanks.
I do not mind loosing i just don't want to be the succer that is the target of others pleasure.
Can you explain why Patton's ammo cost 1000 credits?
Why ChaBat ammos cost even less?
Why someone that uses another tier 9 med can make a profit while T-54 users CAN NOT?
This is not fair for some of the custaomers and their free willingness of what of their tank they want to play with.

Steffenximus #13 Posted 13 July 2012 - 09:02 PM

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Take a look at the huge nerfs on E-50, then talk.

And to Anthon, ALL T9 meds lose a lot of money. E-50's gun cost 1280 per shell.

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Anthoniusii #14 Posted 13 July 2012 - 09:06 PM

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View PostSteffenximus, on 13 July 2012 - 09:02 PM, said:

Take a look at the huge nerfs on E-50, then talk.

And to Anthon, ALL T9 meds lose a lot of money. E-50's gun cost 1280 per shell.
Agree ..but upgraded gun of E-50 needs two shots to kill a T-54 while T-54 needs atleast 5!
So 2x1280=2560, 5x1230=6150...See the diference?
Plus that E-50 has one of th emost accurate gun in its tier!!!!

Edited by Anthoniusii, 13 July 2012 - 09:07 PM.


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View PostAnthoniusii, on 13 July 2012 - 09:06 PM, said:

Agree ..but upgraded gun of E-50 needs two shots to kill a T-54 while T-54 needs atleast 5!
So 2x1280=2560, 5x1230=6150...See the diference?
Plus that E-50 has one of th emost accurate gun in its tier!!!!

E-50 killing a T-54 in two shots? it really can't, it needs at least four. The T54 could do with cheaper ammo but otherwise there's nothing wrong with it and the buffs to the stock config makes grinding it easier and it isn;t getting nerfed like the other two.

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View PostAnthoniusii, on 13 July 2012 - 09:06 PM, said:

Agree ..but upgraded gun of E-50 needs two shots to kill a T-54 while T-54 needs atleast 5!


What?

E50 best gun has 390 average damage.  T-54 has 1650 health.

If you are complaining about T-54 ammo costs then you need to stop shooting birds, and what do you need accuracy for an a tank which excels at 0m range fighting?

Edited by Homer_J, 13 July 2012 - 09:14 PM.


Hoffmannov #17 Posted 13 July 2012 - 09:13 PM

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complaining about weak russians tanks is not allowed in this community.
learn the rulez:

"WG hates and nerfs only the german tanks"
"WG makes all ussr tanks OP"

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View Postshanmalinto, on 13 July 2012 - 09:10 PM, said:

E-50 killing a t54 in two shots? it really can't, it needs at least four. The T54 could do with cheaper ammo but otherwise there's nothing wrong with it and the buffs to the stock config makes grinding it easier and it isn;t getting nerfed like the other two.
I agree,,,cheaper ammo...From what LB-1 that can not penetrate E-50's rear armor unless it has less than 10% life points?
So are we talking that we are going to have a tank that players will wait other to play and just pop up and finish the opponets?
I thought that the game if  about Tank fighting and not cowards contest!

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E50 best gun has 390 average damage. T-54 has 1650 health.
Yes but T-54 exlpodes like firecracker and the 105mm gun needs fewer ammos to do the job!
Plus E-50 can aim and hit a T-54 at maximum ranger while T-54 must reach at few meters and staaaayyy ,aiiimmmm and then shot E-50 after a century!

Edited by Anthoniusii, 13 July 2012 - 09:17 PM.


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Simple fact is thread starter all tier 9 got "rebalanced". Ie nerfed to make way for tier x meds.

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View PostEdward_Teague, on 13 July 2012 - 09:14 PM, said:

Simple fact is thread starter all tier 9 got "rebalanced". Ie nerfed to make way for tier x meds.
I agree ...but the point of this thread is that T-54 is out of that list in practical way!
When you have a tier 9 tank that must be the bridge to th enext level you have to:
Allow players play with it.
What is the point that each T-54 user must calculate ammo cost each time he/she aims a target?
What is the point that an asault tank like T-54 will have the most inaccurate tank in its tier?
What is the point of having an ellite T-54 with other name (T-62) when the original is a crap?
Who can quarantee me that if i will charge my credit card i wont buy AGAIN another crap?
Who will return my money if i do not have plaesure with that product? (objective of a game is offering fun and pleasure).




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