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AMX 13 90 in 7.5 are they mad or still op?


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burdy #21 Posted 15 July 2012 - 03:30 AM

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View PostHomer_J, on 14 July 2012 - 01:59 AM, said:

the 13-90 is already considered as a tier 8 by the matchmaker.

If you don't like it then don't play them.  Sell it back for what you paid after the weekend.  Or sell it after the patch and make a tidy profit.
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View Postjhonny82, on 14 July 2012 - 04:41 PM, said:

financial income... that's the change! AMX 13 90 was one of my moneymaker (my favourite), a promotion in tier VIII just kill the profit...
Just made a quick match on the test server. Repair cost is still 11k credits, ammo still 250 credits. Same as before.

You'll no longer meet T6 tanks and as compensation you get 100 HP. Sounds like a good trade-off. The 1390 will be as epic as before.

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View PostZenith, on 14 July 2012 - 01:44 AM, said:

A result of all the whine against these tanks when they first released. Funny how fast WG bent over backwards to nerf these particular tanks, yet those with real issues are never seriously addressed. :Smile_sceptic:

I was strong supporter of french nerf few mounts ago. But nerf turn in very wrong way. They nerfed strong side of tanks where had to be nerfed some other characteristic. I wanted nerfing hitpoint, not firepower. And experience prove me right, currently I drive as moneymaker tank with very close characteristic to one that I expected from french light after nerf. Fragile fast firing mobile tank, that I wanted from french tanks. But developers nerfed almost all characteristic, not one or two with remaining walue of others. And gradually french lost their color. Now developers just went too much, not only in wrong direction but entirely ruining this thanks.

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View Postburdy, on 15 July 2012 - 03:30 AM, said:

Just made a quick match on the test server. Repair cost is still 11k credits, ammo still 250 credits. Same as before.

You'll no longer meet T6 tanks and as compensation you get 100 HP. Sounds like a good trade-off. The 1390 will be as epic as before.

Repair and ammo cost are the same but I don't think the income won't change: if you damage a tier VIII you'll not earn the same money as before cause it'll be your same tier...

The 1390 will be played as always but with new difficulties:
- high tier match won't be the same anymore: we'll meet more tier X with the new TD and meds, it means fight more enemy with larger HP poll, stronger armor and crazy firepower (the new TD can oneshot us..)
- as you said we'll no longer meet tier 6, having some match in the upper part of the MM wasn't so bad... once in while....

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View Postjhonny82, on 15 July 2012 - 09:58 AM, said:

Repair and ammo cost are the same but I don't think the income won't change: if you damage a tier VIII you'll not earn the same money as before cause it'll be your same tier...

The 1390 will be played as always but with new difficulties:
- high tier match won't be the same anymore: we'll meet more tier X with the new TD and meds, it means fight more enemy with larger HP poll, stronger armor and crazy firepower (the new TD can oneshot us..)
- as you said we'll no longer meet tier 6, having some match in the upper part of the MM wasn't so bad... once in while....
Credit gain is purely depending on inflicted damage, not tier difference. You'll lose a slight amount of xp, because you'll no longer get a bonus for damaging Tier 8 tanks, but that's about it. And if you want to look at it that way, when the average HP of the tank rises you can potentially inflict more damage, thus gain more credits and xp.

The new T10 tanks don't have in general better armor than the old T9 ones. Mostly they have the same armor. If you engange them from the front you'll die horribly, no matter if the tank is T9 or T10. But if you flank them it's the same deal. And an Object, T30, E100 or T95 could already oneshot you with a good roll and now with more HP and  a good roll you can still survive a shot from the new E100 TD.

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We'll see when 7.5 comes out but I'm not so optimistic about the "great" 100HP buff... till now in a tier X battle nobody exept arty can oneshot me (only the new tier X TD can deal over 1000hp damage) and tier X match aren't so fun to play... we'll see...

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In my opinion, if you are doing fine now you'll still do fine after the patch. If you are struggling now you'll struggle more after the patch. But if you are already struggling now, then maybe the French light tanks are not your style of tank.

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I'm doing fine now, french tanks suite my style better then any other, they're fun and tactical to play (also moneymaker), but this video scared me a bit http://www.youtube.c...h?v=lb0-Jou561I
I really hope you are right!

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View Postjhonny82, on 15 July 2012 - 04:35 PM, said:

but this video scared me a bit http://www.youtube.c...h?v=lb0-Jou561I
You could pretty much replace his comments about Tier 8 with Tier 7 to argue, why the 1390 can't compete at Tier 7. But obviously it can compete. Why should 40s reload suddenly become a problem? With 6 penetrating shots you couldn't kill a T9 or T10 tank at full health before, why should this become a problem now? (And with the new TDs tanks are more likely to have lower health, it may even become easier to find easy prey that only waits to be released from its suffering :) )

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View Postjhonny82, on 15 July 2012 - 09:58 AM, said:

Repair and ammo cost are the same but I don't think the income won't change: if you damage a tier VIII you'll not earn the same money as before cause it'll be your same tier...


You don't get more income for damaging higher tier tanks.  Never did, it was a myth.

There is no mention of it's profitability being changed in the info they posted on the news so we can only assume it will stay the same.

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NOTHING IS CHANGED

Seriously, check the wiki, do some research, Amx-13-90 was always technically a tier 8. No need for additional buffs.

As for amx12t, that's a different story.

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13 75 and 13 90 are fine and with hp buff probably ok if they go up at tier, but the amx 12t is a joke.. I have a hard time seeing how it's gonna handle being tier 6 when it's unpowered for tier 5. Maybe the new MM, but i doubt it.

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View Postlt_Ro_Laren, on 15 July 2012 - 05:16 AM, said:

I was strong supporter of french nerf few mounts ago. But nerf turn in very wrong way. They nerfed strong side of tanks where had to be nerfed some other characteristic. I wanted nerfing hitpoint, not firepower. And experience prove me right, currently I drive as moneymaker tank with very close characteristic to one that I expected from french light after nerf. Fragile fast firing mobile tank, that I wanted from french tanks. But developers nerfed almost all characteristic, not one or two with remaining walue of others. And gradually french lost their color. Now developers just went too much, not only in wrong direction but entirely ruining this thanks.

Well, before so called nerf I have 12t so I miss their so called OP era. Still my experience with light and heavy AMX series tells me that it's not ruined at all.

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View Postpagandk, on 15 July 2012 - 08:55 PM, said:

13 75 and 13 90 are fine and with hp buff probably ok if they go up at tier, but the amx 12t is a joke.. I have a hard time seeing how it's gonna handle being tier 6 when it's unpowered for tier 5. Maybe the new MM, but i doubt it.

Seems like amx12t gets the amx13 75 gun, so not all that bad after all.

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why is having the 1390 at t8 silly when he can beat any t8 medium in 1 canister? a tier 7 finding a lone t8 and geting a trololol machine gun to kill him in 5 seconds flat is silly... same goes for the 1375. the 12t getting moved up a bit much imo though. would mach rather have the 12t stay t5 and get a new t6 added.

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View PostHomer_J, on 15 July 2012 - 07:25 PM, said:

You don't get more income for damaging higher tier tanks.  Never did, it was a myth.

But you earn more when shooting stuff with 12.8 than 50mm potato launcher. More damage inflicted - more earned.
And it gets harder ,not by tier spread, but enemies met - T10 meds and TDs. Also I hardly believe in that 100hp buff.

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View Postburdy, on 15 July 2012 - 05:14 PM, said:

With 6 penetrating shots you couldn't kill a T9 or T10 tank at full health before, why should this become a problem now?

Because you used to run into T6 tanks that you could kill and T7 tanks that you could at least try to finish off if they were damaged previously. Now you'll be lucky to see occassional T7 (who will get picked off by others anyway) while stumbling between T9+T10 and pure T10 matches. AMX13 90 is bad as it is with recent hate it has gotten from WG, now it will be simply unplayable so I'll be selling mine as soon as its price jumps up with its tier.

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View PostWaterContainer, on 17 July 2012 - 02:33 PM, said:

I'll be selling mine as soon as its price jumps up with its tier.
Running around between so many T10 tanks will be a lot more fun with less competition :)

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T9 and T10 Heavy, now T10 meds, the game will be less easy for AMX 13 90. There will be more faster tank on the ground so one of the advantage of the AMX will be reduced. If furthermore it does not have a bigger gun, this tank will be useless.

When nerf/buff is done, it is compared to other tank from the same tier ok? So, the performance of the AMX 13-90 should be equivalent of the lorraine in term of hp and penetration damage. Lorraine is bigger, but more manoeuverable. I do not care if it was already considered as a t8 or not, against E100, IS7 and other high resistant tank, AMX will not help very much. If people belive this tank is a scout, they are wrong!

Against big HT tanks, without the 105, then you can remove the canon and put a french EBR instead for reco, it will work the same! With 90mm, you get 170 penetration for t8, only T44 has low penetration (175) but damages are almost 400. Panther II has 200, Lorraine 232...

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I've killed countless E100/IS7/etc with no problems. And I've killed plenty of T9 meds, who are just as fast (and armored) as the new T10 will be. I'm 100 % confident, that conducting the same style of play I'll be as successful as before.

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