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Tazilon #1 Posted 21 July 2012 - 02:26 PM

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How many times has your 2801 been the top tank on your team?

Aspecti #2 Posted 21 July 2012 - 02:31 PM

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Never.

locastan #3 Posted 21 July 2012 - 02:32 PM

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It is a scout, why should it be the top tier tank of your team?

Anonemus #4 Posted 21 July 2012 - 02:35 PM

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Why this question??

VK2801 is a scout... so the chance to be a top Tank is near Zero Percent.

Sometime i've been with the 2801 on the top five and sometimes under the top ten - but it's not very often. Most battles you found me (in VK2801) at last place in the  list

eFse7en #5 Posted 21 July 2012 - 02:36 PM

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The lowest battle tier for vk2801, chaffee and t-50-2 is with 7 tier at top, so you would need luck to be connected to that battle tier, while matchmaker wouldn't put any 7  tier to it, and no 6 tier with vehicle name before "VK2801" in the alphabet.

Good luck ;)

Edited by eFse7en, 21 July 2012 - 07:29 PM.


Tazilon #6 Posted 21 July 2012 - 02:47 PM

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I have been Top Tank in my Cougar 7 times now.  Here is one that happened last night.  Note the Top Tank of the other team.... ALSO a 2801!

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RoyalSnail #7 Posted 21 July 2012 - 02:50 PM

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Very rarely but when it happens "There be derping tonight"  :Smile_ohmy:

Edited by abbyabz, 21 July 2012 - 03:30 PM.


Tazilon #8 Posted 21 July 2012 - 02:53 PM

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View PosteFse7en, on 21 July 2012 - 02:36 PM, said:

The lowest battle tier for vk2801, chaffee and t-50-2 is with 7 tier at top, so you would need luck to be connected to that battle tier, while matchmaker wouldn't put any 7 and neither 6 tier to it, and no 5 tier with vehicle name before "VK2801" in the alphabet.

Good luck ;)

You are a bit off with this. All the Tier V Scouts are ranked ahead of the Tier VI Mediums such as a 3001 so you could have Tier VI tanks in the battle and still be Top Tank.  It doesn't order tanks by Tier then alphabetically.  It ranks solely based on their battle weight.

Edited by Tazilon, 21 July 2012 - 02:54 PM.


HariSeldon #9 Posted 21 July 2012 - 03:55 PM

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3 times that i remember, maybe some others, but right now 80% i'm the lower tier (tier 10 battles, and i like it) and 19'9% in the top ten (or the botton six). Been at top is something strange and i usually die doing stupid things as i'm not fit in that position.


Also, and on topic too, the new mm means we will be in tier 7 battles or less? It sais that the regular battle you will face are 2 tiers spread, anyone in test could confirm that also work for scouts? Or will be like now and nothing changes?

Tazilon #10 Posted 21 July 2012 - 04:14 PM

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View PostHariSeldon, on 21 July 2012 - 03:55 PM, said:

3 times that i remember, maybe some others, but right now 80% i'm the lower tier (tier 10 battles, and i like it) and 19'9% in the top ten (or the botton six). Been at top is something strange and i usually die doing stupid things as i'm not fit in that position.


Also, and on topic too, the new mm means we will be in tier 7 battles or less? It sais that the regular battle you will face are 2 tiers spread, anyone in test could confirm that also work for scouts? Or will be like now and nothing changes?

The Battle Tiers for Tier V Scouts do not change.

Lancasthor #11 Posted 21 July 2012 - 04:18 PM

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Never been in a pure tier V fight ..  Top as above tier VI 3001h ... maybe once.

eFse7en #12 Posted 21 July 2012 - 07:28 PM

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View PostTazilon, on 21 July 2012 - 02:53 PM, said:

You are a bit off with this. All the Tier V Scouts are ranked ahead of the Tier VI Mediums such as a 3001 so you could have Tier VI tanks in the battle and still be Top Tank.  It doesn't order tanks by Tier then alphabetically.  It ranks solely based on their battle weight.
Ah, yes, i forgot that's it's sorted like tier 6, cuz it's weighted like one.

Anyway i'm not wrong about the order of tanks. First tanks are ordered by their weight, then by their name.
And weight of the tank is strongly connected with it's tier. Exceptions are:

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  • Weight by Vehicle Type is applied as follows:
    • All heavy tanks receive 45% extra weight.
    • All SPGs receive 20% extra weight.
  • Individual Weights:
    • Tier 9 medium tanks receive 45% extra weight.
    • Tier 8 and 9 tank destroyers receive 45% extra weight.
    • The AMX 13 90 is weighted at 38 points, i.e. slightly less than a tier 8 tank.
    • T-50-2, VK2801 and Chaffee are weighted like tier 6 tanks.
    • The PzKpfw 38H735 (f) "Hotchkiss" is a tier 2 tank with 233% extra weight, with 7 points it is weighted close to a tier 4 tank, but it is in the same battle tier as other tier 2 light tanks

So basically you first have it sorted by tier, then by rule:
1. Heavy/9 tier med/9,8 tier td
2. spg
3. rest,
while scouts in top tree are treated like 6 tier meds, and amx 13 90 is almost like a tier 8 medium tank.


source: http://wiki.worldoft...#Vehicle_Weight

azakow #13 Posted 22 July 2012 - 10:05 AM

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1-2 times @ 580 battles, an extremely rare case.

Temptis #14 Posted 23 July 2012 - 12:09 PM

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View PostHariSeldon, on 21 July 2012 - 03:55 PM, said:

Been at top is something strange and i usually die doing stupid things as i'm not fit in that position.

same here :P

Tazilon #15 Posted 23 July 2012 - 02:18 PM

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View PostTemptis, on 23 July 2012 - 12:09 PM, said:

same here :P

i totally understand this.  When I'm near the top I have to tell myself not go crazy and die early.  While you can beat any tank in the battle fairly easily 1 on 1, getting overly aggressive and driving into the thick of the enemy, gun blazing does nothing but get you ganged, an early death, and a wasted opportunity.

Kavakcz #16 Posted 30 July 2012 - 06:59 PM

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I remember being once a top tank, right when I bought the VK, my first battle, fully stock. I was slow and I dealt no damage to enemy. I was bouncing even the Pz38nA. That was horrible. (I have very few battles now in VK, so my opinon doesn't count that much´)
Btw. Tazilon, your guide is awesome!

Tazilon #17 Posted 31 July 2012 - 02:06 AM

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View PostKavakcz, on 30 July 2012 - 06:59 PM, said:

I remember being once a top tank, right when I bought the VK, my first battle, fully stock. I was slow and I dealt no damage to enemy. I was bouncing even the Pz38nA. That was horrible. (I have very few battles now in VK, so my opinon doesn't count that much´)
Btw. Tazilon, your guide is awesome!

thank you!

madmatone #18 Posted 31 July 2012 - 07:48 AM

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Depends heavily on the time I play.
From 7-10 a.m. it happens 1 out of 10 times.
From 7-10 p.m. never.

lewisunderwood #19 Posted 31 July 2012 - 07:58 AM

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I was never TopTier with that Tank, many times (6 out of 10) LowTier ... however i was multiple times TopGun .... :Smile_veryhappy:

nubacc #20 Posted 31 July 2012 - 09:39 PM

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No matter of matchups with VK2801 it does very well if driven properly.
Tazilion - ur guide is awsome and actually ur guide made me decide to do VK2801 ;] 1st 40 games were rly tough coz of stock vk and me not being able to rate what i am able to do and what i am not. However now is better and better. The only problem with VK and every other t5 LT is that their cradit factors are somehow worse than leopard's and they cost much more to repair for no reason. Let s face the truth - noone is playing T5 LT at CW.




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