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Hello all 7vs7 players,

this Topic is make to show the WG what we think about introducing of new rules based main on only one tournament of RU section, where is no limitation for arty and tanks. I just want to signal that all other cups, tournaments which were played at European and also Russian server were played on Electronic Sport League Rules (ESL) where arty is limited to max: tier 5 and only 2 french tanks are allowed or StarLadder Rules (Russian Sports League) one french but same rules with arty.

In my opinion and opinion of other players this rule with no limitations will ruin the gampelay at 7vs7. Secondary rule shouldnt be implemented for most important cups at EU such as Ural Steel 2012 and World Cyber Games in which the prize is the trip to Russia/China.

I really hope for a lot of votes and that it will be listened by WG that EU server says no for no limitations rules. Especially after year of playing at our rules.

All those T32 using gold ammo will now be one shotted by arty. A good change since it makes all that T32 spam cease.

Negrep: I know you love your T32's, but please, contain yourselves.

Edited by SlicerDicer, 25 July 2012 - 10:16 PM.

SlicerDicer, on 25 July 2012 - 07:53 PM, said:

LoL have u ever played ESL before? If not T32 than what? You will use KT? Every single tier 8 heavy tanks bah ... every single tier 8 tank and below will be one shoted by tier 8 arty. I dont know whats your point.
Edited by Dz1K, 25 July 2012 - 09:50 PM.

Dz1K, on 25 July 2012 - 08:04 PM, said:

Use pershings. Faster, can get out of arty's field of view faster. Just as good hulldown, just doesn't have uber turret.

You got ONE battle done... What you know about that... (It's troll-acount i know...)... Hmmm i starting to like this new desing
Pershing got only better speed than t32... nothing else... and will be killed by arty even faster than t32... ESL isn't random where people can't shoot to moving tanks... I can bet most of arty players in top league can hit moving pershing 3/4 times... And a direct hit from t8 arty (where HE shells got penetration = 120) mean that pershing will 'blow up' as his armor isn't good... (Today t92 oneshooted my maus, so oneshooting EVERY t8 tanks ain't problem.)

Aslo with t8 arties theres second problem... all t8 need at least 2 (maybe 3) shoots to kill them. Giving them time to shoot back...

I feel like T8 arty will make this game more lucky dependent... You win if you will kill one tank with single shoot...  That means less skill, more luck is needed to win... (Or a team who takes 3artys...)

Skyspirit, on 25 July 2012 - 10:17 PM, said:

I'm Slicerdicer.
Pershing has better acceleration and turning than T32.
Persh can kill T8 arty faster.

But I agree that T8 arty=less skill.

KraKonFOUR, on 25 July 2012 - 10:28 PM, said:

Everything can kill pershing faster than t32. Plus pershing is not that fast lol :P

Anyway this isnt discusion topic about pershing its about how tier 8 arty affect 7v7ESL gameplay. In my point of view only t50-2 or amx 13 90 is lets say hard to kill for arty when spoted and without any cover. Pershing and rest of tier 8 meds, heavies etc are too slow and to weak to fight that monsters. Tier 8 arty was designed to fight with tier 10 tanks with 2000+ hp and better armor. I think that tier 5 arty is all you need on ESL.

But it is not ESL format, it's Ural Steel format.

if you want to play esl rules, go playing esl :D

ESl format is not a sacred that has to be used always and everywhere, so arguments "but in ESL there is..." are invalid.

Gorzki i dont see anyone talking about Ural Steel here... this topic is about future turnaments.

The only reason I can see as to why they would have such a rule is to make the games more entertaining, and to be honest I agree with them there; 7v7 is boring to play and even more boring to watch, with the introduction of a 261 almost 1 shotting a tier 8 tank it might make the games more unpredictable and exiting.

If by more more "unpredictable and exiting" you mean: more camping and lucky shooting

Ideally in eSports in general, players are allowed total freedom I personally am very interested to see how the T8 Arty changes the meta game, the fact that you all have varied opinions shows how interesting it could be.

Bump, on 27 July 2012 - 10:37 AM, said:

Let's play 15 vs 15 with max tier point limit. Why make artificial limitations?
More than 80% votes is against these rules (no limit for french tanks and arty) but I don't know any GO4WOT current partipiciant who like rules from Russian tournaments.
These changes are against tactical character of WoT and will change gameplay in stupid rushes where luck is more important than tactic and skill.

PS Why don't you talk with players from OM, SBP, RT, RED, EPS and the rest of teams (there is minimum 50 in each GO4WOT) and discuss with them about problems, ideas, maps etc? I think that WE (players from different teams and clans) create your players base and we have huge knowledge about this game and played may different tournaments.  
Edited by Tomasz6543, 27 July 2012 - 05:35 PM.

Bump, on 27 July 2012 - 10:37 AM, said:

My man have you ever played WoT? Cause i'm starting to think that you have no idea about game you sell. At This moment  game got too many random stuff : bounced shoots, shoots with no dmg, ammo rack blow ups and many many others. E-sport should't depend on luck and randomness cause because of that line between players that actually put many efforts and spend many hours to be as good as it possible and guys like "I have no idea what im doing" is disapearing really fast. And even so you want to put next random thing - arty tier VIII which in my belive is too powerfull even for tier X tanks. Think what you're doing for one F***in second. Why can't you agree with one 7 v 7 rules instead of create new rules for every new turnament. That's just mean.

Bump, on 27 July 2012 - 10:37 AM, said:

there is reason why T8 arty plays generally in T10 games ... it's about balance ...

Bump, on 27 July 2012 - 10:37 AM, said:

ideally yes. iv yet to come across a game that was balanced well enough to allow for that though. this game DEFFINATLY isnt... interesting also isnt the same a random chance... personaly i dont think this game will ever take off big time in esport untill all of the RNG is gone. its nether fun nor interesting to watch/play a game based on dice rolls rather than high skill levels...

Cocodog13, on 07 August 2012 - 08:14 PM, said:

My thoughts exactly +1

Cocodog13, on 07 August 2012 - 08:14 PM, said:

I think there is still the potential to make WoT a competitive game, but it is mainly in the hands of Wargaming. Problems the game currently is lacking:

• common rulebook, every 7v7 tournament has different rules
  
• no spectatormod, makes it hard for the streamers to present the game in the right way
  
• downtime between matches are too high, if you watch a game, most of the time teams are preparing theirself in a trainingbattle
  
• using trainingbattles instead of tournamentsystem. Inculde a kind of tournamentsystem for ESL to make it more easy -> better timeschedule, better for streaming
  
• advertisment for the esports - scene from wargaming, no streams are announced on public wot side
  
• inbalance of maps, game basicly is made for 15v15 (massive tankgame) according to that you are addicted to spawnpositions I / II which are not always equal for 7v7

another thing that this game lacks

http://penny-arcade....rfect-imbalance

T8 arty is a massive game-changer, the firepower is way beyond anything else available in this format. What you get is camping teams with some scouts relying on arty to deliver the punch.

If WG stretches the techtree from arty to tier 10's this rule is viable, untill then the firepower of tier8 arty is way too big.