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T54- How godly could it get?


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buckweed #1 Posted 14 October 2010 - 08:21 PM

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So seeing how it is in full release tree I thought be interesting to make a wish list of things wanted for this tank or perhaps a discussion on what its statistics should be. I honestly hope for 3 things:

1) 200mm+ Penetration (225+ Prefered)
2) 45 Speed limit (50 Prefered)
3) Same acceleration as t44

Like they could balance by making armor paper, armor aint to important in a fast tank anyways.

Shagohad #2 Posted 14 October 2010 - 08:38 PM

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The T-54 is a post-WW2 tank. Not to mention that Soviet equipment is pretty good already. The question is: Do we need this? What will counter it on the German side? What other tanks are going to be added to rival it?

Should I start making suggestions for the Ratte?

Valeriadrina #3 Posted 14 October 2010 - 09:26 PM

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Looking at wikipedia (by no means definitive source of course) page: "The 100 mm gun fired BR-412 series full-calibre APHE ammunition which had inferior penetration capability compared to similar ammunition fired by 88 mm KwK 43 on the Tiger II, but superior to those fired by the shorter-barrel 88 mm KwK 36 of the Tiger I  and only slightly inferior in penetration to the KwK 36's PzGr.40/43 high-velocity tungsten-core round. The 100mm OF-412 HE fragmentation was 60% heavier in both total weight and bursting charge than the equivalent 8.8 cm Sprgr.43."

I don`t think it will be superduper-awesome tank in tier 9 when compared to IS4 and such.

Sykotic #4 Posted 15 October 2010 - 05:14 AM

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The Panther II is the German equivalent. No stats on it yet. My guess (GUESS) is that the T-54 will start with the 85mm D5T-85BM gun or the 100mm D10T. The top gun for it will probably be the 122mm BL-9 with a 5 rpm or less firing rate.

Historical stats for the T-54:
Front Hull Armor: 100mm
Side Hull Armor: 80mm
Rear Hull Armor: 45mm
Front Turret Armor: 200mm
Side Turret Armor: 150mm
Rear Turret Armor: 65mm

Road speed: 48 km/h
Off-road speed: ~30 km/h

soulspectre #5 Posted 15 October 2010 - 06:02 AM

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Most important factor will be it's power to weight ratio, everything else is secondary. If it can't maintain good maneuvering speed then it'll be useless, equivalent to an understrength MBT. Even the T-44s can't manage to keep up enough speed to fight any of the IS series 1v1.

When it comes out, the power ratio will be the first thing I'll be looking at.

TomaszWadas #6 Posted 15 October 2010 - 07:15 AM

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It looks very poorly - my dream that someday I will fight vs. IS7 & IS4 as equals just died  <_< . Certainly there is no better gun? After all those currently available in the T44 are catastrophic.

Next_ussr #7 Posted 15 October 2010 - 07:28 AM

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View PostShagohad, on 14 October 2010 - 08:38 PM, said:

The T-54 is a post-WW2 tank.

1. We have in game tanks of 30-50.
2. The first prototypes of T-54 were made before the end of WW2. It entered production in 1946.
3. We will have in game version of 1945-1950 years. That means we will not have a turret without overhang, the base turret will be like this:
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The top turret will be this one:

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About guns. T-54 was designed for D-10T. I think it will be the first one. The second one will be 100mm LB-1, it is more accurate and have higher rate of fire and maybe better penetration. Here is the photo of T-54 prototype with LB-1:

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I think there will no any 122mm and more guns. I dont know about any prototypes of T-54 with it. T-44 have D-25-44T becaus it was mounted in real, and because of awfull result it wasn't mounted on T-54.

panzergulo #8 Posted 16 October 2010 - 04:07 PM

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Knowing something, but not enough, about Soviet late-war/post-war medium tank/main battle tank designs, I feel bold enough to make a wild guess that T-54 in WoT will be something like a "T-44++". It plays pretty much the same, maybe losing something in only one category, but being a tiny upgrade on all the other categories. The T-44 is a pretty awesome vehicle already, being able to put a good fight against almost anything in the game, and being outright deadly when used in coordinated cooperation. So, how much more deadlier a medium tank/MBT in this game can be?

Three things can be taken for granted, I believe: T-54 will have more health than T-44, it will be a little more expensive to buy, and it will be a little more expensive to use. Other than that, most guesses are just... guesses. My guess is...

T-54 = "T-44++"

Just my two euro-cents.

Fangel #9 Posted 18 October 2010 - 02:48 PM

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View PostNext_ussr, on 15 October 2010 - 07:28 AM, said:

View PostShagohad, on 14 October 2010 - 08:38 PM, said:

The T-54 is a post-WW2 tank.

1. We have in game tanks of 30-50.
2. The first prototypes of T-54 were made before the end of WW2. It entered production in 1946.
3. We will have in game version of 1945-1950 years. That means we will not have a turret without overhang, the base turret will be like this:
Spoiler                     

The top turret will be this one:

Spoiler                     

About guns. T-54 was designed for D-10T. I think it will be the first one. The second one will be 100mm LB-1, it is more accurate and have higher rate of fire and maybe better penetration. Here is the photo of T-54 prototype with LB-1:

Spoiler                     


PRETTYNESS!

cDa #10 Posted 18 October 2010 - 02:54 PM

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View PostShagohad, on 14 October 2010 - 08:38 PM, said:

The T-54 is a post-WW2 tank. Not to mention that Soviet equipment is pretty good already. The question is: Do we need this? What will counter it on the German side? What other tanks are going to be added to rival it?

Should I start making suggestions for the Ratte?

Soviets get T54, Germans get Panther II

PzGrenKdr #11 Posted 18 October 2010 - 03:01 PM

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the Panther is a tank from ´43 so also a war-tank, while the T-54 is a postwartank. > T-54 will be better than Panther II like the T-44, which is better than the Panther.

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View PostPzGrenKdr, on 18 October 2010 - 03:01 PM, said:

the Panther is a tank from ´43 so also a war-tank, while the T-54 is a postwartank. > T-54 will be better than Panther II like the T-44, which is better than the Panther.

well, yes but panther and t44 are very well balanced, i hope Panther 2 and t54 will be too

Sykotic #13 Posted 18 October 2010 - 03:30 PM

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View PostAsky, on 18 October 2010 - 03:14 PM, said:

well, yes but panther and t44 are very well balanced, i hope Panther 2 and t54 will be too
The T-44 and the Panther are basically just very mobile versions of their Tier 7 counterparts. The T-44 is a very mobile IS and the Panther is a very mobile Tiger. I assume that will carry over to the T-54 and Panther II. The T-54 will be a very mobile version of the IS-3 and the Panther II will be a very mobile King Tiger. This is just a guess mind you, but it makes sense considering how their design philosophy has been so far.

Homer_J #14 Posted 20 October 2010 - 08:47 AM

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View PostShagohad, on 14 October 2010 - 08:38 PM, said:

The T-54 is a post-WW2 tank. Not to mention that Soviet equipment is pretty good already. The question is: Do we need this? What will counter it on the German side? What other tanks are going to be added to rival it?


Apart from the Panther II there will be US and I assume British tanks from the same era.

yifanwang99 #15 Posted 20 October 2010 - 05:37 PM

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I think following the trend of the soviet medium line, T54 will be another incremental update in armour and I think its likely that it will get a second 100mm gun with better penetration. Other than that, I dont think the mobility will be better than the T44, if at all.

In terms of the panther 2, I just hope it gets an update in transverse speed, its power/weight is actually better than the T44 but it just loses so much speed in turning.

Pongo #16 Posted 20 October 2010 - 05:42 PM

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The Panther and 44 are very well balanced.
To do the same for the Panther II and the T54, I imagine they would have to make a long 105 available for the panther II. Which would be interesting.

tank_sniper #17 Posted 20 October 2010 - 05:52 PM

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hmmm for the T-54 ill assume it will have about the same dp as a IS-2 *around 1230 or maybe 1350* and a Panther II will have the same reflective more than a panther.  Yet i think the panther II may be a tad bit slower with it's heavier armor unless it gets a slightly bigger engine.  Yet i do hope the panther 2 starts with the 88mm KwK 43 L/71 and it later gains the 75mm KwK42 L/100. While the T-54 will get the 122mm BL-9.  I can't wait to see these 2 tanks and how they will compare in the game but im sure they will be fun to play with.

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View PostTank_Sniper, on 20 October 2010 - 05:52 PM, said:

While the T-54 will get the 122mm BL-9.

T-54 will never have BL-9, because it was never mounted on it and because it's just not enough space in turret to mount this gun.

tank_sniper #19 Posted 21 October 2010 - 12:33 AM

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i could say the same thing about a Tiger with the 88mm KwK 43 L /71 mounted in it's turret or a hetzer with a 105 *would be uber cramped* so yeah im sure they will find a way to give it the BL-9 otherwise some may not bother to grab the T-54 if it has no variety to pick from.

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View PostTank_Sniper, on 21 October 2010 - 12:33 AM, said:

i could say the same thing about a Tiger with the 88mm KwK 43 L /71 mounted in it's turret or a hetzer with a 105 *would be uber cramped* so yeah im sure they will find a way to give it the BL-9 otherwise some may not bother to grab the T-54 if it has no variety to pick from.

even so, the bl-9 is not so good for a fast moving medium tank, since ROF is very low, but that's just my opinion




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