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Hotwired #21 Posted 21 October 2010 - 01:30 AM

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View PostTank_Sniper, on 21 October 2010 - 12:33 AM, said:

i could say the same thing about a Tiger with the 88mm KwK 43 L /71 mounted in it's turret or a hetzer with a 105 *would be uber cramped*
It was never made with a 105mm howitzer, that idea never got off the paper.

It was ACTUALLY made with a 150mm howitzer, 30 tanks had it.

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View PostHotwired, on 21 October 2010 - 01:30 AM, said:

View PostTank_Sniper, on 21 October 2010 - 12:33 AM, said:

i could say the same thing about a Tiger with the 88mm KwK 43 L /71 mounted in it's turret or a hetzer with a 105 *would be uber cramped*
It was never made with a 105mm howitzer, that idea never got off the paper.

It was ACTUALLY made with a 150mm howitzer, 30 tanks had it.
yeah but without roof like a SPG.

aggressive_perfector #23 Posted 21 October 2010 - 07:48 AM

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View Postsoulspectre, on 15 October 2010 - 06:02 AM, said:

Most important factor will be it's power to weight ratio, everything else is secondary. If it can't maintain good maneuvering speed then it'll be useless, equivalent to an understrength MBT. Even the T-44s can't manage to keep up enough speed to fight any of the IS series 1v1.

When it comes out, the power ratio will be the first thing I'll be looking at.
Very true, but I think perhaps what's really needed is decreasing the IS series' turret traverse speed. A module to increase acceleration/turning wouldn't go amiss either.

An increase in firepower would be nice as well - the Soviet medium series essentially has the same firepower from the T-34-85 to the T-44. Yes, there is a small increase in the 100mm ROF, but that extra penetration still costs accuracy and DPS.

Next_ussr #24 Posted 21 October 2010 - 09:23 AM

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View PostTank_Sniper, on 21 October 2010 - 12:33 AM, said:

i could say the same thing about a Tiger with the 88mm KwK 43 L /71 mounted in it's turret or a hetzer with a 105 *would be uber cramped* so yeah im sure they will find a way to give it the BL-9 otherwise some may not bother to grab the T-54 if it has no variety to pick from.

There was a prototype of Tiger with 88mm KwK 43 L/71 in 1943. And There was a protype of Hetzer with 105mm gun in 1944.

BL-9 was NEVER mounted on T-54 or other medium tank, and i doubt it's possible.

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tank_sniper #25 Posted 21 October 2010 - 07:27 PM

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for how they have made this game and how i had hopes it would be as accurate as possible it is not, like i said we will see what the devs do with the tank so expect the unexpected.  That hetzer is as amusing as the hetzer with the 105 muzzle break.  Also i can bet they did a few things differently with that tigers turret to compensate for the longer barreled 88.

you may doubt it possible but the Russians found ways to do some wacky things, vodka and potatoes make a hell of a think tank for Russians.  They went as far as trying to equip tanks with rockets to give them more speed and sometimes flight.  Even though the Russians did make a flying tank during the war.  Even though it looked more like a gliding tank dropped off a TB-3.

It may not have been a production vehicle but still an amazing bit of ingenuity

http://aeroweb.lucia...AFAQ/KT-40.html

Lupusceleri #26 Posted 22 October 2010 - 11:20 AM

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View PostAsky, on 21 October 2010 - 12:35 AM, said:

View PostTank_Sniper, on 21 October 2010 - 12:33 AM, said:

i could say the same thing about a Tiger with the 88mm KwK 43 L /71 mounted in it's turret or a hetzer with a 105 *would be uber cramped* so yeah im sure they will find a way to give it the BL-9 otherwise some may not bother to grab the T-54 if it has no variety to pick from.

even so, the bl-9 is not so good for a fast moving medium tank, since ROF is very low, but that's just my opinion
That has the potential to make it *extremely* good, since you can employ hit and run tactics much better and therefore avoid being damaged.

tank_sniper #27 Posted 22 October 2010 - 06:57 PM

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you may be able to take cover with the BL-9 nicely but it really depends on how open the terrain is and how good the enemy SPG's are.  IF they did give the T-54 the BL-9 i can imagine it would have a slightly slower reload much like that of the 122mm on the T-44.  Perhaps it will have an upgraded D-10T or some such.  Yet who knows, we can only speculate what they will give them.

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View PostLupusceleri, on 22 October 2010 - 11:20 AM, said:


That has the potential to make it *extremely* good, since you can employ hit and run tactics much better and therefore avoid being damaged.

u know that when u engage in a dogfight with a medium tank, on an open space map u get a lot of damage when u flee from the dogfight, and while fleeing u don't have the chance to do so much damage

MacRedrum #29 Posted 25 October 2010 - 02:09 AM

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View Postaggressive_perfector, on 21 October 2010 - 07:48 AM, said:

View Postsoulspectre, on 15 October 2010 - 06:02 AM, said:

Most important factor will be it's power to weight ratio, everything else is secondary. If it can't maintain good maneuvering speed then it'll be useless, equivalent to an understrength MBT. Even the T-44s can't manage to keep up enough speed to fight any of the IS series 1v1.

When it comes out, the power ratio will be the first thing I'll be looking at.
Very true, but I think perhaps what's really needed is decreasing the IS series' turret traverse speed. A module to increase acceleration/turning wouldn't go amiss either.

An increase in firepower would be nice as well - the Soviet medium series essentially has the same firepower from the T-34-85 to the T-44. Yes, there is a small increase in the 100mm ROF, but that extra penetration still costs accuracy and DPS.

Well the German tanks are stuck with lesser guns for longer so adding Soviet firepower isn't a good idea.

ramp4ge #30 Posted 25 October 2010 - 02:24 AM

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BL-9 was NEVER mounted on T-54 or other medium tank, and i doubt it's possible.

The game is full of guns that were never placed on a tank.

There was never a 105mm on a King Tiger.
There was never an 88mm on a Panther.
Etc, etc, etc.

Truth be told, the Panther we already have IS the Panther II. Panther + Schamllturm + L/71 = Panther II..

So I'm picturing the T-54 with some BS gun. They'll find some way to put the 125mm D-81T on it. Watch.

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View Postramp4ge, on 25 October 2010 - 02:24 AM, said:

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BL-9 was NEVER mounted on T-54 or other medium tank, and i doubt it's possible.

The game is full of guns that were never placed on a tank.

There was never a 105mm on a King Tiger.
There was never an 88mm on a Panther.
Etc, etc, etc.

Truth be told, the Panther we already have IS the Panther II. Panther + Schamllturm + L/71 = Panther II..

So I'm picturing the T-54 with some BS gun. They'll find some way to put the 125mm D-81T on it. Watch.
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Lupusceleri #32 Posted 25 October 2010 - 01:45 PM

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View PostAsky, on 22 October 2010 - 07:24 PM, said:

View PostLupusceleri, on 22 October 2010 - 11:20 AM, said:


That has the potential to make it *extremely* good, since you can employ hit and run tactics much better and therefore avoid being damaged.

u know that when u engage in a dogfight with a medium tank, on an open space map u get a lot of damage when u flee from the dogfight, and while fleeing u don't have the chance to do so much damage
Yeah. Dogfights vs medium tanks are the big disadvantage of the 122mm guns.

You want to hit the tank once and then be gone around a corner or over a hill. It's really just a trolling gun.

Next_ussr #33 Posted 25 October 2010 - 03:50 PM

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View Postramp4ge, on 25 October 2010 - 02:24 AM, said:

There was never a 105mm on a King Tiger.
There was never an 88mm on a Panther.

There were real plans to equip these tanks with these guns. It's not fantasy, like BL-9 on T-54.

View Postramp4ge, on 25 October 2010 - 02:24 AM, said:

So I'm picturing the T-54 with some BS gun. They'll find some way to put the 125mm D-81T on it. Watch.

No they won't. Watch. There is some real guns, which were really mounted on T-54, they have a choice.

ramp4ge #34 Posted 25 October 2010 - 08:12 PM

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There were real plans to equip these tanks with these guns. It's not fantasy, like BL-9 on T-54.

There were no plans. There was a proposal by Krupp, but it was never even a consideration, let alone a plan.

The plan to put an 88mm on the Panther was the Panther II. Which is what I said above.

And then there's the 107mm in the KV..Lol.

The BL-9 (122BM) was never fitted to a tank, but was rather an experimental SP gun. Only 2 were produced.

Soooo...

I'm willing to bet it's going to get some BS gun that it never had. Just to continue the trend.

Next_ussr #35 Posted 25 October 2010 - 08:40 PM

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View Postramp4ge, on 25 October 2010 - 08:12 PM, said:

And then there's the 107mm in the KV..Lol.
What's wrong with 107mm in KV?
There was a prototype:
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tank_sniper #36 Posted 25 October 2010 - 10:39 PM

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we already KNOW there was a prototype they were never mass produced by the russians for some reason or another.  Plus the russians were know to do crazy things with there tanks.  Much like the T-34 with the 100mm gun prototype using a T-34/76 turret that was modified but never seen action.

Point is we don't know what gun they will put on the tank but we can not rule out them making it unrealistic in the game.

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View PostAsky, on 18 October 2010 - 03:14 PM, said:

well, yes but panther and t44 are very well balanced, i hope Panther 2 and t54 will be too
The T-44 and the Panther are basically just very mobile versions of their Tier 7 counterparts. The T-44 is a very mobile IS and the Panther is a very mobile Tiger. I assume that will carry over to the T-54 and Panther II. The T-54 will be a very mobile version of the IS-3 and the Panther II will be a very mobile King Tiger. This is just a guess mind you, but it makes sense considering how their design philosophy has been so far.

You just told everyone why the Panther II will be inferior to the T-54 if they are going to follow their equivalents. The Tiger II is already horrendously inferior to the IS-3, and the T-44 is hilariously powerful when compared to the Panther. I don't care about stats, I've seen what people DO with them.

Also, if as mentioned above, the T-54 gets a freaking BL-9, it would need to be removed. That's just ridiculous.

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View PostGyarados, on 25 October 2010 - 10:46 PM, said:

You just told everyone why the Panther II will be inferior to the T-54 if they are going to follow their equivalents. The Tiger II is already horrendously inferior to the IS-3, and the T-44 is hilariously powerful when compared to the Panther. I don't care about stats, I've seen what people DO with them.

Also, if as mentioned above, the T-54 gets a freaking BL-9, it would need to be removed. That's just ridiculous.
I have both a T-44 and a Panther. Both are Elite. I have nearly identical stats in them. Neither tank is better than the other. They are different styles of play. If you try to play a Panther like a T-44 you will end up dead fast. If you play the Panther correctly it is one of the deadliest tanks on the battlefield. The same is true of the Tiger and the IS. Both are different styles. I have both of those as well. Play to the strengths of ANY tank and you will do well. Don't and you will be in the lobby early waiting on your destroyed tank to be released.

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We should go find the Panther and T-44 drivers and put them all in one battle. I know it's not about singular tank battles, but the T-44 in toe to toe matches, is plain superior. I have not yet seen a Panther defeat a T-44 on an even battlefield.

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View PostGyarados, on 26 October 2010 - 01:43 AM, said:

We should go find the Panther and T-44 drivers and put them all in one battle. I know it's not about singular tank battles, but the T-44 in toe to toe matches, is plain superior. I have not yet seen a Panther defeat a T-44 on an even battlefield.

Errm what game are u playing mate? 2 x Panthers are better than 2 x T-44 when they fight against heavy tanks. Do you have any friends? Yes? Go with them in training battles and u will see. I have both T-44 and Panther and they are well balanced




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