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Gyarados #41 Posted 26 October 2010 - 04:54 AM

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Everyone I know has either gone down TD or Heavy trees, both nations too. I'm just saying that if the T-54 is going to come out and be a great tank, the Panther II better be able to stand on par. I don't think the Panther is necessarily a bad vehicle, but I've seen the T-44 outclass it so many times, and I can take on a Panther easily (Current tank is IS) whereas the pure speed of the T-44 just makes it so ridiculously powerful.

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View PostGyarados, on 26 October 2010 - 04:54 AM, said:

Everyone I know has either gone down TD or Heavy trees, both nations too. I'm just saying that if the T-54 is going to come out and be a great tank, the Panther II better be able to stand on par. I don't think the Panther is necessarily a bad vehicle, but I've seen the T-44 outclass it so many times, and I can take on a Panther easily (Current tank is IS) whereas the pure speed of the T-44 just makes it so ridiculously powerful.

well, if u see me online, we can go in training and i will show u that u should fear the panther too ;)

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Haha, I'm sure there are some great Panther drivers :)

I'm just saying on average I see the T-44 doing far more damage to the enemy team than the Panther, and a lot of it has to do with speed and profile.

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View PostGyarados, on 26 October 2010 - 05:48 AM, said:

Haha, I'm sure there are some great Panther drivers :)

I'm just saying on average I see the T-44 doing far more damage to the enemy team than the Panther, and a lot of it has to do with speed and profile.

a lot of people doesn't know how to use the tanks yet. Panther can stand more shots than T-44, and it has a much much better gun.

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T-44:

D-25-44

Caliber - 12.2cm
Rate of Fire - 3.57 RPM
Average Penetration - 175/217/61
Average Damage - 390/390/465
Accuracy @ 100m - 0.38
Aiming Time - 3 seconds
Weight - 2,600 kg


Panther:

KwK43 L/71

Caliber - 8.8cm
Rate of Fire - 8.96
Average Penetration - 203/237/44
Average Damage - 220/220/270
Accuracy @ 100m - 0.3
Aiming Time - 2.5 seconds
Weight - 2,562 kg


The KwK43 is technically the superior gun because of DPS and armor penetration, but those don't account for the range in which the Panther supposedly excels at. That amount of damage is entirely underwhelming at ranges above 50 meters, but the T-44 can dish out more damage, and still penetrate most vehicles in the game. We're to assume that mediums are supposed to mainly support heavy tanks by either destroying the lights around them, mediums around them, or support fire on heavies; well, they function well against light tanks and probably most mediums, depending on the driver. When it comes to the heavy tanks though, the D-25-44 would be the superior gun because the T-44 can close the range easier, faster, and more efficiently than the Panther can, again mainly due to size and a slight speed advantage for the T-44, which would really bring in the penetration values...to the point that it just doesn't matter too much. There are few vehicles with more than 200mm of armor, and those vehicles shouldn't be engaged from the front regardless, where that armor is concentrated.

Although they are very close, and the Panther does have the close range advantage in terms of RoF, I have personally seen more T-44's come up, get one shot in and then just drive around erratically until their gun is close to reloading, set up aim, and do it again. I haven't seen a Panther do that yet, I would love to have more faith in the German line because the Panther is definitely one of my favorite tanks of the war, but I just feel that the Russian medium line and the Russian heavy line so badly outclass like-tier German vehicles it's not even funny. Bringing in a T-54 that could have a BL-9 attached? That would only further the issue, depending on what the Panther II would be getting.

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View PostGyarados, on 26 October 2010 - 08:46 AM, said:

T-44:

D-25-44

Caliber - 12.2cm
Rate of Fire - 3.57 RPM
Average Penetration - 175/217/61
Average Damage - 390/390/465
Accuracy @ 100m - 0.38
Aiming Time - 3 seconds
Weight - 2,600 kg


Panther:

KwK43 L/71

Caliber - 8.8cm
Rate of Fire - 8.96
Average Penetration - 203/237/44
Average Damage - 220/220/270
Accuracy @ 100m - 0.3
Aiming Time - 2.5 seconds
Weight - 2,562 kg


The KwK43 is technically the superior gun because of DPS and armor penetration, but those don't account for the range in which the Panther supposedly excels at. That amount of damage is entirely underwhelming at ranges above 50 meters, but the T-44 can dish out more damage, and still penetrate most vehicles in the game. We're to assume that mediums are supposed to mainly support heavy tanks by either destroying the lights around them, mediums around them, or support fire on heavies; well, they function well against light tanks and probably most mediums, depending on the driver. When it comes to the heavy tanks though, the D-25-44 would be the superior gun because the T-44 can close the range easier, faster, and more efficiently than the Panther can, again mainly due to size and a slight speed advantage for the T-44, which would really bring in the penetration values...to the point that it just doesn't matter too much. There are few vehicles with more than 200mm of armor, and those vehicles shouldn't be engaged from the front regardless, where that armor is concentrated.

Although they are very close, and the Panther does have the close range advantage in terms of RoF, I have personally seen more T-44's come up, get one shot in and then just drive around erratically until their gun is close to reloading, set up aim, and do it again. I haven't seen a Panther do that yet, I would love to have more faith in the German line because the Panther is definitely one of my favorite tanks of the war, but I just feel that the Russian medium line and the Russian heavy line so badly outclass like-tier German vehicles it's not even funny. Bringing in a T-54 that could have a BL-9 attached? That would only further the issue, depending on what the Panther II would be getting.

I think most of the t-44's use the 100mm.

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I use the T44s 122 mm cannon and I think T44s should be using this then the 100mm. Its very useful for supporting heavies, and killing anything below, only problem is when T44 is alone but T44 is team player, 100 mm can do all these but its weak.

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View PostHojieko, on 26 October 2010 - 06:33 PM, said:

I use the T44s 122 mm cannon and I think T44s should be using this then the 100mm. Its very useful for supporting heavies, and killing anything below, only problem is when T44 is alone but T44 is team player, 100 mm can do all these but its weak.
122mm have no real advantage over 100mm.

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View Postramp4ge, on 25 October 2010 - 02:24 AM, said:

Truth be told, the Panther we already have IS the Panther II. Panther + Schamllturm + L/71 = Panther II..
Its not, panther II had much more diferences like suspension and wheels similar to tiger II, more armor....

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View Postaggressive_perfector, on 21 October 2010 - 07:48 AM, said:

View Postsoulspectre, on 15 October 2010 - 06:02 AM, said:

Most important factor will be it's power to weight ratio, everything else is secondary. If it can't maintain good maneuvering speed then it'll be useless, equivalent to an understrength MBT. Even the T-44s can't manage to keep up enough speed to fight any of the IS series 1v1.

When it comes out, the power ratio will be the first thing I'll be looking at.
Very true, but I think perhaps what's really needed is decreasing the IS series' turret traverse speed. A module to increase acceleration/turning wouldn't go amiss either.

An increase in firepower would be nice as well - the Soviet medium series essentially has the same firepower from the T-34-85 to the T-44. Yes, there is a small increase in the 100mm ROF, but that extra penetration still costs accuracy and DPS.
I agree with IS series turret traverse, it should be slower.

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View PostGyarados, on 26 October 2010 - 08:46 AM, said:

T-44:

D-25-44

Caliber - 12.2cm
Rate of Fire - 3.57 RPM
Average Penetration - 175/217/61
Average Damage - 390/390/465
Accuracy @ 100m - 0.38
Aiming Time - 3 seconds
Weight - 2,600 kg


Panther:

KwK43 L/71

Caliber - 8.8cm
Rate of Fire - 8.96
Average Penetration - 203/237/44
Average Damage - 220/220/270
Accuracy @ 100m - 0.3
Aiming Time - 2.5 seconds
Weight - 2,562 kg


The KwK43 is technically the superior gun because of DPS and armor penetration, but those don't account for the range in which the Panther supposedly excels at. That amount of damage is entirely underwhelming at ranges above 50 meters, but the T-44 can dish out more damage, and still penetrate most vehicles in the game. We're to assume that mediums are supposed to mainly support heavy tanks by either destroying the lights around them, mediums around them, or support fire on heavies; well, they function well against light tanks and probably most mediums, depending on the driver. When it comes to the heavy tanks though, the D-25-44 would be the superior gun because the T-44 can close the range easier, faster, and more efficiently than the Panther can, again mainly due to size and a slight speed advantage for the T-44, which would really bring in the penetration values...to the point that it just doesn't matter too much. There are few vehicles with more than 200mm of armor, and those vehicles shouldn't be engaged from the front regardless, where that armor is concentrated.

Although they are very close, and the Panther does have the close range advantage in terms of RoF, I have personally seen more T-44's come up, get one shot in and then just drive around erratically until their gun is close to reloading, set up aim, and do it again. I haven't seen a Panther do that yet, I would love to have more faith in the German line because the Panther is definitely one of my favorite tanks of the war, but I just feel that the Russian medium line and the Russian heavy line so badly outclass like-tier German vehicles it's not even funny. Bringing in a T-54 that could have a BL-9 attached? That would only further the issue, depending on what the Panther II would be getting.


I tell u man L/70 is far far more superior, that extra penetration count a lot. With the t-44, u can't kill tanks tier 8+ because u lack penetration and with tier 7 heavy tanks u have 50/50 chances to kill them 1 vs 1. 1 shot in the tracks, or a well placed shot in the turret, and bye bye t44. With panther u can penetrate is-3 front with no problem. Also the accuracy is very important, and don't give me crap with that teleporting shit, t-44 D10T sometime misses at 50 - 40 meters. And anyone who thinks that they should not fear the panther, good, i m glad, do that so you're ignorance will help me kill you faster when we meet in game ;)

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View PostTank_Sniper, on 21 October 2010 - 12:33 AM, said:

i could say the same thing about a Tiger with the 88mm KwK 43 L /71 mounted in it's turret or a hetzer with a 105 *would be uber cramped* so yeah im sure they will find a way to give it the BL-9 otherwise some may not bother to grab the T-54 if it has no variety to pick from.

even so, the bl-9 is not so good for a fast moving medium tank, since ROF is very low, but that's just my opinion
True. just look at the Tank lines, the middle (IS) line gets large guns, but slow tanks (85mm on T28 for eg) but T44 line gets small guns, but fast(er) tanks (thing 76 and 57mm on T34) I prefer the Zis-4 57mm style weapons, for fast reload, and good penertation, so the T54  may wind up with a smaller, faster gun, but longish barrel for nice (anti Panther II?) penertaion

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View PostAsky, on 27 October 2010 - 12:51 AM, said:


I tell u man L/70 is far far more superior, that extra penetration count a lot. With the t-44, u can't kill tanks tier 8+ because u lack penetration and with tier 7 heavy tanks u have 50/50 chances to kill them 1 vs 1. 1 shot in the tracks, or a well placed shot in the turret, and bye bye t44. With panther u can penetrate is-3 front with no problem. Also the accuracy is very important, and don't give me crap with that teleporting shit, t-44 D10T sometime misses at 50 - 40 meters. And anyone who thinks that they should not fear the panther, good, i m glad, do that so you're ignorance will help me kill you faster when we meet in game ;)

I can pretty much kill any tank with the D10T... it penetrates up to the IS3/VK4502 everything (thought not on the fornt but thats no problem for the t44) and the HE shots take between 4-10% form a IS4 and just a bit less form a IS7... And I never have a problem missing shots at 50m... what I noticed is that sometimes autoaiming goes nuts on the t44, aiming why above the tank. But since I hardly use it its no problem.

So yeah the extra penetration is nice on the L71, but nothing special, since you can easly outflank the heavier tanks. Its much harder to do this on the Tiger or Tiger2...

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View PostShagohad, on 14 October 2010 - 08:38 PM, said:

The T-54 is a post-WW2 tank. Not to mention that Soviet equipment is pretty good already. The question is: Do we need this? What will counter it on the German side? What other tanks are going to be added to rival it?

Should I start making suggestions for the Ratte?
How bout all those other german tanks that are being added wich where supposed to enter service at the same time as the T54?

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Entering service and time of design are TOTALLY different things and the time of design is ONLY thing that matters.

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View PostNext_ussr, on 20 October 2010 - 08:55 PM, said:


T-54 will never have BL-9, because it was never mounted on it and because it's just not enough space in turret to mount this gun.

That's right.

T-54 will start with 100mm D-10T gun and the 2nd gun is going to be 100mm LB-1.

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View PostOverlord, on 08 November 2010 - 07:23 PM, said:

That's right.

T-54 will start with 100mm D-10T gun and the 2nd gun is going to be 100mm LB-1.

better 100mm gun...  B)

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well that's a relief ok since it will have a more bad ass 100mm gun then no worries of the apocalyptic 122 BL-9 on it yippy!  now i want to test the frying pan tank once it comes out hehe.  shall be a fun piece of work to enjoy once we have the chance to play with it in game.

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Guess-game. What vehicle is in the picture?

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T-54 of course :)  What do I win?  A T-54 maybe?




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