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Tupinambis's Photo Tupinambis 27 Jul 2012

 ABC_Przyrody, on 27 July 2012 - 11:52 AM, said:

IS4 & ST1 ratios are that low probably becouse of the fact that their stock guns have 175 avg pen. If someone's first Rus line was KV one then he won't even have BL9 for ST1. Old T34 had similar stats if I remember correctly. Same with IS4, anyone who just grinded it without unlocking S70 would end up playing either with stock gun or trying to unlock it with IS8. Not to mention that it's their first T10 after T8 grind. And we all know how many briliant players are out there... IS8 is hard to play so some people might have problems with it.

E100 is that high probably due to pwning some noobs in CW. In randoms it mostly dies like a bitch.

The thing with the ST-I is that its stock gun always sucked, but for some reason its performance CRASHED over the past month.
The IS-4 is doing better though, probably because stock IS-4's are virtually extinct now.
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majogl's Photo majogl 27 Jul 2012

LOL wut???
T110E5: 51.86%
IS-7: 49.88%
IS-4: 49.2%

get your facts straight... this kind of talk gets tanks nerfed... i guess somebody got killed by T110E5 one too many times, so decided to make a little biased post about it being OP (yet another one)... or at least do not post here stats from another server...
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HubertGruber's Photo HubertGruber 27 Jul 2012

 majogl, on 27 July 2012 - 09:51 PM, said:

LOL wut???
T110E5: 51.86%
IS-7: 49.88%
IS-4: 49.2%

get your facts straight... this kind of talk gets tanks nerfed... i guess somebody got killed by T110E5 one too many times, so decided to make a little biased post about it being OP (yet another one)... or at least do not post here stats from another server...

T110 is better. I own all 3...



Now srsly, can you make money money selling lorraine after patch?
Edited by HubertGruber, 27 July 2012 - 10:07 PM.
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Tupinambis's Photo Tupinambis 27 Jul 2012

 majogl, on 27 July 2012 - 09:51 PM, said:

LOL wut???
T110E5: 51.86%
IS-7: 49.88%
IS-4: 49.2%

get your facts straight... this kind of talk gets tanks nerfed... i guess somebody got killed by T110E5 one too many times, so decided to make a little biased post about it being OP (yet another one)... or at least do not post here stats from another server...

...what? Stats from another server? Did you even read the OP?
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mondog's Photo mondog 28 Jul 2012

T110 noob proof? It's only armour is on the front and its gun does roughly 400 damage a shot. It's hardly in is7 territory when it comes to any stat. Its even slower than the is7. It's strength is its rate of fire, aim time and seemingly good camo rating. It's still by far the easiest tier x to take down when flanked as it has worse side and rear armour than most tier 6 tanks. From my experience with it people just don't know where to shoot it but come across someone who does and its not that strong.

Really its just a big Patton and is played a little like a big Patton.
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Cuddly_Spider's Photo Cuddly_Spider 28 Jul 2012

 bravotango, on 27 July 2012 - 07:12 AM, said:

ST-I is a very rare tank, at least I can count on my 2 hands, how many I saw in the last 2 weeks. This might be the reason, why is it so bad. People don't really use it as "fun tank", just to get through it, so the percentage shows the grind only players. Well mostly. I'm sure there's a lot of people who couldn't even get to it yet, with the horrible grind on KV-4.

This could well be a part of why it underperforms in stats, perhaps there aren't enough people playing it to give it a fair ride. Let's face it though the IS-4 grind is horrific compared to the IS-7. The T-150 > KV-3 > KV-4 > ST-1 has to be one of the most tortuous of all research trees, especially when right alongside it is the glorious IS > IS-3 > IS-8 path.

Just wondering, has anyone here kept an elited ST-1 and do you play it regularly if so? Or is it something you instantly just get rid of after the grind?
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drothi's Photo drothi 28 Jul 2012

I think  this statistic is a fake. It is impossible that the russian tanks are so bad.
E-100 is the worst T10 ingame compared to the other tanks.

My stats as example:
T110 : 53 %
E-100: 41 %
IS-4: 52,5 %
E-50: 53 %
Jagdtiger: 49 %
Foch: 59 %

-> faked bad statitstics of russian tanks as a reason to buff them.
-> or a lot of noobs on russian server who play russian tanks and push down the stats


"Never trust statistics you didn't fake yourself."



What are your stats with this tanks?
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IBLiTZKRiEGI's Photo IBLiTZKRiEGI 28 Jul 2012

Maybe the E-100 isn't actually as bad as many people make it out to be?
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Tupinambis's Photo Tupinambis 28 Jul 2012

 IBLiTZKRiEGI, on 28 July 2012 - 01:43 PM, said:

Maybe the E-100 isn't actually as bad as many people make it out to be?

There are tons of possibilities.
The one I'm thinking of that, unless you use gold rounds the E-100 may very well be a truly terrible tank in CW.
In public matches though, the majority of the enemy team usually consists of tier 8 and 9 vehicles, which the E-100 can OBLITERATE much more easily than any of the tier 10 tanks.

The E-100 seems to be much more effective against lower tiers than the other tier 10 heavies, which apparently counts for a lot in public matches.
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mondog's Photo mondog 28 Jul 2012

E100 are used as defensive tanks in clan wars and do ok. It's an randoms where they suffer.
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Cygone's Photo Cygone 28 Jul 2012

The E100 isn't broken, the Pen value on its guns are! Gold round ammo is fine.
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XxXSpottedYouXxX's Photo XxXSpottedYouXxX 28 Jul 2012

I fear a big nerf will hit the Foch series in the future better get some games in and make it worth while chaps :).
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Sirianstar's Photo Sirianstar 28 Jul 2012

the upside for E-100 is that in random tier 10s can fight vs up to tier 6 tanks.
E100 gun makes breakfast of most low tier tanks, it struggles only against tier 10s.

so in random E-100 can still be really useful to your team.
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 Tupinambis, on 27 July 2012 - 06:16 AM, said:

HOLY SH** What is wrong with the ST-I!?

front hull can be penned by t7 heavys, top gun has the worst rof of all t9 heavys, aim time is the longest of all t9 heavys, agility and speed is the worts of all t9 heavys.

the only posetive aspect of the tank is the front turret armour, but what good is that when you can just aim at the cupola and pen?

and you ask what is wrong whit the st-1???
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Cuddly_Spider's Photo Cuddly_Spider 28 Jul 2012

 NatteFrost, on 28 July 2012 - 09:40 PM, said:

and you ask what is wrong whit the st-1???

He's only asking. :Smile_Default:

Remember that not a lot of people have got the ST-1, having succumbed to the awfulness that is the KV-4 grind.
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NatteFrost's Photo NatteFrost 28 Jul 2012

yes well, atm they are better of whit is8 regardless of the fackt that it is a hybrid tank.
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Tupinambis's Photo Tupinambis 29 Jul 2012

 NatteFrost, on 28 July 2012 - 09:40 PM, said:

front hull can be penned by t7 heavys, top gun has the worst rof of all t9 heavys, aim time is the longest of all t9 heavys, agility and speed is the worts of all t9 heavys.

the only posetive aspect of the tank is the front turret armour, but what good is that when you can just aim at the cupola and pen?

and you ask what is wrong whit the st-1???

OH yeah, I can understand that the ST-I is not very good. What I don't understand is why the ST-I is doing so much worse now than it was before. It dropped over 2% in W/L WITHOUT getting nerfed.
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 Tupinambis, on 29 July 2012 - 02:51 AM, said:

OH yeah, I can understand that the ST-I is not very good. What I don't understand is why the ST-I is doing so much worse now than it was before. It dropped over 2% in W/L WITHOUT getting nerfed.
My guess is that at start only people using it were people who had advanced on other Russian heavy line first so they all ready had bl-9 gun, or even m62 or whatever it was called. But now some new people are getting it and they have use 175mm pen gun on a tier 9 which just a horrible joke from WG.
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 anemicflame, on 29 July 2012 - 07:19 AM, said:

My guess is that at start only people using it were people who had advanced on other Russian heavy line first so they all ready had bl-9 gun, or even m62 or whatever it was called. But now some new people are getting it and they have use 175mm pen gun on a tier 9 which just a horrible joke from WG.

this could be true.
if you had the is4 elited(and honestly, who dident?) the only things you need to unlock on the st-1 was tracks, engine and turret.
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 Tupinambis, on 27 July 2012 - 06:16 AM, said:

Tier 10 heavies
T110E5: 52.81%
Maus: 50.53%
AMX 50B: 49.39%
E-100: 49.14%
IS-7: 48.74%
IS-4: 48.60%

Comments:
The IS-4 seems to have improved since the last time I did this kind of thread [before 7.4 came out]. Regardless, it is still in last place. The E-100 somehow managed to march ahead of the IS-7. I have no clue why that would be. The T110E5 is still leading the pack, but not by as much as before [previously it was in the 54% range]

The E-100 isn't actually the best tier X and a lot of the bad players have stopped playing it because of that reason and moved back to their IS-7, so the percentage of good players playing it has increased. This still means it has the same old problems.

 Tupinambis, on 27 July 2012 - 06:16 AM, said:

Tier 9 heavies
M103: 49.86%
E-75: 49.76%
AMX 50 120:  49.62%
VK ausf B: 48.72%
IS-8: 47.67%
ST-I: 45.44% [wtf?]

Comments:
The AMX 50 120 has, for some unknown reason, fallen from grace. Previously it was the best performing tier 9 heavy, and has since fallen by more than an entire percent [gasp!]
The M103 and E-75 have also dropped a bit, but they were actually nerfed. AFAIK Nothing should have happened to the AMX.
IS-8 is also not doing as well as before.
HOLY SH** What is wrong with the ST-I!?
The VK Ausf B is the only tier 9 heavy that is doing better than before. It was also the only one to have been buffed.

The percentage of bad players of the 50-120 has increased, the initial numbers being clearly heavily influenced by the large percentage of good players it had.

 Tupinambis, on 27 July 2012 - 06:16 AM, said:

Tier 9 mediums

Patton: 52.19%
Bat Chat: 51.23%
E-50: 51.08%
T-54: 49.36%

Comments:
The Bat Chat somehow fell behind the Patton.
The E-50 got BETTER after its transmission nerf.
The fact that the T-54 is the only tier 9 medium NOT getting nerfed in 7.5 is, apparently, completely justified.

The T-54 has been nerfed and silent nerfed before so another nerf would have been uncalled for, apparent for anyone who's played it, atm it's a tier 8.5 tank.
A lot of bad players have started to research the batchat, the same syndrome the  50-120 is suffering of is starting to affect the batchat.

 Tupinambis, on 27 July 2012 - 06:16 AM, said:

Tier 9 Tank Destroyers

Foch: 56.74% [!?]
T30:  51.15%
Jagdtiger: 50.57%
O-704:  50.02%
T95: 49.73%


Comments:
OMFG FOCH!
The nerfs its getting in 7.5 are extremely mild given how OP it apparently is right now.
It should be noted that the total number of games played for this thing is tiny compared to the JT and O-704, so WG may have taken that into account.
The Jagdtiger has, somehow miraculously, gotten ahead of the Object 704. How this occurred... I have no idea since the JT was technically nerfed.

T95 still in last. The T30 nerfs seem to have been effective, previously it was sitting high at 52.34%

The Foch has the benefit of a massive percentage of good and great players playing it atm since they had the free xp saved up for such an occasion. It might be a bit OP, but with the next patch and in 3-4 weeks when the bad players reach it the win ratio will fall dramatically.
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