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What equipment do you use on the Ferdinand?

  1. Enhanced Gun Laying Driver (135 votes [8.86%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.86%

  2. Coated Optics (45 votes [2.95%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.95%

  3. Fill Tanks with CO2 (3 votes [0.20%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.20%

  4. Large Caliber Tank Gun Rammer (452 votes [29.68%])

    Percentage of vote: 29.68%

  5. "Wet" Ammo Rack Class 2 (3 votes [0.20%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.20%

  6. Improved Ventilation Class 3 (300 votes [19.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.70%

  7. Large Spall Liner (40 votes [2.63%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.63%

  8. Enhanced Longitudanal Torsion Bars (6 votes [0.39%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.39%

  9. Toolbox (35 votes [2.30%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.30%

  10. Binocular Telescope (301 votes [19.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.76%

  11. Camouflage Net (190 votes [12.48%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.48%

  12. Nothing (13 votes [0.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.85%

What Consumables do you use on the Ferdinand?

  1. Chocolate (15 votes [0.98%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.98%

  2. 105-Octane Gasoline (4 votes [0.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.26%

  3. Automatic Fire Extinguishers (44 votes [2.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.89%

  4. Large First Aid Kit (15 votes [0.98%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.98%

  5. Large Repair Kit (24 votes [1.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.57%

  6. 100-Octane Gasoline (9 votes [0.59%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.59%

  7. Small First Aid Kit (482 votes [31.63%])

    Percentage of vote: 31.63%

  8. Small Repair Kit (498 votes [32.68%])

    Percentage of vote: 32.68%

  9. Manual Fire Extinguishers (433 votes [28.41%])

    Percentage of vote: 28.41%

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Charcharo #1 Posted 28 July 2012 - 11:03 PM

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Hello and welcome to the Ferdinand, (AKA Elefant ) the famous tier 8 German tank hunter built on the Tiger P by Ferdinand Porsche. This is the first heavy tank destroyer in the German line.

Previous tank: JagdPanther (TD line)
http://forum.worldof...47-jagdpanther/
Previous tank: Tiger P (Heavy line)
https://docs.google....1JnWlhCbEE/edit
Next tank: JagdTiger
http://forum.worldof...0955-jagdtiger/
Tank specs:
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Upgrade tree:
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Overview:
The Ferdinand is quite different when compared to the JagdPanther. Since it is not based on a medium tank like the Panther, but on the heavy Tiger P it does somewhat break the flow from the earlier German TDs. It does prepare players for the JagdTiger and JagdPanzer E-100 well enough, seeing as they are heavy TDs too.
The Ferdi is bad when stock. Its slow as hell and can barely turn. Its guns, both the 105mm and the 88L71 are not too bad, but they are still not enough to make up for the lack of mobility. First priority should be the suspension and then the 128mm gun.
Fully upgraded Ferdinand sports a good enough gun to be a threat even to tier 10 tanks. Although not the best penetration-wise, it is still excellent for a tier 8 TD and has relatively high damage per shot with a somewhat cheap price per shell. Of good help is the good gun depression which can still be helpful, despite the back mounted superstructure.
Best engine and suspension will make almost as big of a difference as the cannon. They turn the slow beast into a relatively agile for its size vehicle that can move and maneuver quite well despite its limited top speed.
Armour on the Ferdi is quite good. Up close it can be penetrated even with 120 pen guns in the weak spots, but they are spread out and relatively small which means it wont be nearly as easy at a distance. That is why Ferdi excels in two types of combat, sniping and aggressively pushing the enemy. The second way of playing is quite effective providing its against equal enemies and the Ferdi can keep some speed and maneuver aggressively at close range. That can make the weak spots very hard to hit.
Price: 2 570 000
Camouflage: Below average
Gun Elevation: -8°/+14°
Gun Arc: -15°/+15°

Pros:
- A great balanced gun.
- Well armoured.
- Good gun depression.
- Good DPM.
Cons:
- Very weak side and rear.
- Relatively slow.
- Large size.

Designation:
1.Warrior 2. Sniper 3. Steel Wall 4. Heavy Support Tank
The Ferdinand is a balanced vehicle. It does excel at sniping and supporting or holding the line against heavy tanks (as long as its in a good position).
Direct Engagement Ferdinand: Ramer; Enhanced Gun Laying Drive; Ventilation
Lone TD: Coated Optics/Binocular Telescope; Rammer; Ventilation

Crew:
1. Commander  
2. Gunner
3. Driver
4. Radioman
5. Loader
6. Loader

Crew skills (only an example, up to 4th skill):
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Modules:
Hull:
Armor scheme currently in use:
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200/80/80
The Ferdinand is based on the Tiger P hull. Frontal armour is quite good. It can reliably stop 200 pen guns at medium range. Unfortunately it has a lot of weak spots. Lower hull and the sides of the frontal plate are vulnerable to 128mm pen guns. Thankfully, these spots are relatively small and can be hard to hit at a distance. Best position for the Ferdi is in hull down. The mantlet is almost invincible and occupies a large part of the already tough superstructure. Only tier 9 guns have a chance to go through it.
Sides and rear are weak but they at least protect the vehicle from most howitzers.

Suspension:
Ferdinand Standardketten/ Max.capacity 66.4 / Turn speed 18 deg per sec.
Ferdinand verstärkte Ketten / Max.capacity 68.95 / Turn speed 21 deg per sec.
Mounting best suspension is the first thing you need to do. It does improve the maneuverability of the vehicle.

Engine:
2x Porsche typ 100/1 / 600 horse power / 20% chance of fire
2x Porsche typ 100/3  / 670 horse power / 20% chance of fire
Porsche Deuts Type 180/2  / 840 horse power / 15% chance of fire
Unless you come from the Tiger P, you probably wont have anything researched.  The 670 hp engine will make a noticeable difference, and is also quite cheap. The second engine is quite expensive but its also more durable and will turn the Ferdi into a relatively agile TD, despite what traverse stats say.

Radio:
FUG 7 415meters
FUG 12– 710 meters
Best radio is quite good. Works on most other high tier German vehicles, so researching it is advised. The stock one, on the other hand is simply bad. Upgrade when you can, it can be used on many other German tanks.

Guns:
8,8cmPaK 43 L/71
RoF: 9,91
Penetration: 203/237/44
Average damage: 240/240/295
Accuracy (100m): 0,32
Aim time: 2,3 sec
Penetration allows this vehicle to penetrate tier 8 tanks and even most tier 9 and some tier 10 machines. The ammo cost is relatively low and has extreme accuracy and good aim time. Some prefer it to the 105mm K18, thanks to its superior RoF, slightly better accuracy and lower ammo cost. A good stock weapon.
Premium ammo is APCR which loses penetration with distance but does get the  normalization against sloped armour.

10,5cmK18 L/52
RoF: 7,29
Penetration: 200/244/60
Average damage: 320/320/420
Accuracy (100m): 0,34
Aim time: 1,7 sec
Good stopping power, penetration, aim time and DPM into one. This gun is VERY powerful for its tier even though some people prefer the 88 L/71.  I really hope you researched it on the JgPanther, as it will make the Ferdinand grind a lot easier. With 200 penetration it can go through most T8 heavies and the weakspots of most T9 tanks.
Premium ammo is APCR which loses penetration with distance but does get the  normalization against sloped armour.

12,8cm PaK 44 L55
RoF: 5
Penetration: 246/311/65
Average damage: 490/490/630
Accuracy (100m): 0,35
Aim time: 2,3

This is what makes the Ferdi deadly. The penetration is enough for almost all T10 tanks (and enough if hit in the weak spots) and has enough damage to make em think twice before attacking this TD. Accuracy is relatively good and so is aim time. A good gun for such a big vehicle. Note that it will also help in turning the Ferdi into a good high end moneymaker.
Premium ammo is APCR which loses penetration with distance but does get the  normalization against sloped armour. It can go right through almost all T10 tanks, even where their armour is the toughest.

Proposed Upgrade Path:
1. Suspension
2. 128mm L55
3. Engine
4. Best engine
5. Radio

Comparison with its peers:
Ferdinand vsJagdPanther 2
Both have the same choice of weapons. The JagdPanther has superior speed and agility which can be quite important. It also has a slightly tougher superstructure. Ferdi has better overall armour and better gun depression and a wider gun arc.

Ferdinand vs ISU-152
ISU has a gun with even more penetration and damage per shot, but is weaker in accuracy and aim time. It is a faster vehicle, but turns slightly slower than the Ferdi. The German machine easily wins in the armour department.

Ferdinand vs T28
T28 is a slouch even when compared to the Ferdi. Both have similar firepower, but Ferdi does more damage per shot and fires slower. T28 does seem to have the edge in armour.

Historical Ferdinand
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The Ferdinand was invented as a result of the failed Porsche Tiger. The 90 tiger hulls already constructed were hastily converted into a heavy tank destroyer in the spring of 1943. The TD was first rushed into the battle of Kursk, where it performed quite well against the Russian vehicles gaining a kill to death ratio of 10:1. After the failed offensive at Kursk the remaining vehicles remained primarily on the Eastern front, with some having been sent to fight in Italy. Overall the Elefant, as it was later named, after the implementation of a machinegun in the hull-front, was the most successful tank destroyer of the war having the most vehicles destroyed compared to vehicles lost. Even so, its design suffered in many areas. It was a big vehicle, and lacked maneuverability. It was also prone to mechanical failures, which proved to be more dangerous than the allies weapons . Interesting facts about the vehicle is that it used a hybrid suspension unlike any vehicles previously built. During the battle of Kursk several were destroyed after the ammo stored in the citadel exploded.
In historical battles it is an extremely powerful vehicle. The armour is good enough to ignore every enemy, provided they aren't too close or get very lucky. It is quite slow though, so there should always be some other tank guarding it.

Wiki page: http://wiki.worldoftanks.eu/Ferdinand

Xeonos #2 Posted 28 July 2012 - 11:49 PM

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Had a great time with the Ferdinand, but I sold it today for the Jagdtiger.
Grind to the 12.8cm and you got yourself a true tank destroyer.

Charcharo, why did you choose Smooth Ride, it doesn't help with turning the tank (according to the wiki)

Berbo #3 Posted 29 July 2012 - 12:09 AM

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Pinned :) (if you don't mind)

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View PostXeonos, on 28 July 2012 - 11:49 PM, said:

Had a great time with the Ferdinand, but I sold it today for the Jagdtiger.
Grind to the 12.8cm and you got yourself a true tank destroyer.

I agree with you. 12,8 cm PaK 44 L/55 gun is very fun. I can easily penetrated Maus or Is-7 or other T10 heavy tank. I did the same thing like, but one day I will buy off Elefant. It is slow, has almost no armor at all, great target to arty and have tier 10 gun! :Smile_Default:  With ferdi I played about 500 battles and I had practically no fire. I had use  Large-Caliber Tank Gun Rammer, Enhanced Gun Laying Drive and Coated Optics.

Atreyyu #5 Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:28 AM

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What is better: Binocular Telescope or Coated Optics?
I presume you don't shoot while moving, so maybe telescope is better ?

Charcharo #6 Posted 29 July 2012 - 11:59 AM

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View PostBerbo, on 29 July 2012 - 12:09 AM, said:

Pinned :) (if you don't mind)
Thanks Berbo!

I really liked my Ferdi. BTW, thread is pretty much ready now. Also, my mastery of this beast represented with stats, just so that its obvious I have played it :P
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VaLTrantor #7 Posted 29 July 2012 - 12:03 PM

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I use Coated Optics on my JT and Bino on my Ferdi atm, and honestly I am not sure which is really more usefull for me. What I use on both are rammer and vents, since I want to be able to shoot as fast as possible, can be a real life safer ..

Alegnem #8 Posted 29 July 2012 - 12:05 PM

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View PostAtreyyu, on 29 July 2012 - 11:28 AM, said:

What is better: Binocular Telescope or Coated Optics?
I presume you don't shoot while moving, so maybe telescope is better ?
Problem is:
when you decide to stop to shoot, you usually have to see your target first.
So this is a question of playstyle. If you find yourself stopping to fire, use optics; if you find yourself already standing when your target emerges, use telescope.

EDIT:
Also, from what I've heard, JP2 gets better RoF for the same weapons than Ferdinand, but that's not my personal experience, so feel free to ignore this line.
And JP2 gets engine from JP and its engine is used by JT, so that's one more reason not to roll Ferdi, which is pain without the engines.

Edited by Alegnem, 29 July 2012 - 12:08 PM.


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View PostAtreyyu, on 29 July 2012 - 11:28 AM, said:

What is better: Binocular Telescope or Coated Optics?
I presume you don't shoot while moving, so maybe telescope is better ?
I prefer to Coated Optics. I agree with Alegnem. What will you choose depends on your playstyle.

Ronald_Carter #10 Posted 29 July 2012 - 08:15 PM

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The best tier8 tank destroyer!
I used Binocular Telescope,tank gun rammer and Camouflage Net

Arcaptain #11 Posted 30 July 2012 - 12:31 AM

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Im going to sell Ferdi for JgTiger, now its almost 1 milion cheaper, so its absolutely clear.

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View PostArcaptain, on 30 July 2012 - 12:31 AM, said:

Im going to sell Ferdi for JgTiger, now its almost 1 milion cheaper, so its absolutely clear.

Never ever ever sell Ferdinand - you will be sorry:
        

Aport #13 Posted 30 July 2012 - 06:05 PM

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True story, never sell ferdinand.I bought JgTiger, but ferdi is just more fun to play.Good thing i kept my ferdi.

And now check out this video, thats what i call accuracy (and luck) - video

Ronald_Carter #14 Posted 30 July 2012 - 06:22 PM

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View Postbrutus007, on 30 July 2012 - 10:44 AM, said:

Never ever ever sell Ferdinand - you will be sorry:
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totally agree with you!

Atreyyu #15 Posted 30 July 2012 - 08:30 PM

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View PostArcaptain, on 30 July 2012 - 12:31 AM, said:

Im going to sell Ferdi for JgTiger, now its almost 1 milion cheaper, so its absolutely clear.
Just think that switching from ferdinand to jagdtiger means you will face even more tier 9 and 10 in the battle.

<<corrected jagdtiger>>

Edited by Atreyyu, 31 July 2012 - 09:08 AM.


VaLTrantor #16 Posted 30 July 2012 - 09:37 PM

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You meant Jagdtiger and not Jagdpanther ... but yeah, you are right, and its pretty rare to be toptier in JT (but thats same for Ferdi too). I agree with those who say you should not sell the Ferdi, its a nice tank and of some use in tier 8 max company battles too. Apart from that, Ferdi is my recordkeeper for kills per match atm :D

Panocek #17 Posted 30 July 2012 - 10:04 PM

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Still blasts stuff.

Binocs, rammer and vents
repairs, Recon+Sit.Awareness+Designated Target+Clutch Braking+Adrenaline+Safe Stowage. Working on Jack of all Trades+Snap Shot+Offroad+ Firefighting

brutus007 #18 Posted 04 August 2012 - 09:40 PM

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Just small showoff how "reliable" is strongest part of Ferdi armor... :/
                          

Alegnem #19 Posted 04 August 2012 - 09:59 PM

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The mantlet can be penned and you can take damage through it - tested with several T34 shots from ~10m distance.
There's no counting on armor in this game. WG can squeeze weakspots onto every vehicle.
And most guns have just extremely high penetration with extreme random factors.

Edited by Alegnem, 04 August 2012 - 10:00 PM.


SoldatKrutzen #20 Posted 05 August 2012 - 08:36 AM

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They need to fix all of these bugs, rather then introducing new fantasy tanks based on no real designs or prototypes.





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