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The lorraine 40T is dead, and worthless now [7.5]


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twistolation #1 Posted 01 August 2012 - 04:29 PM

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The lorraine has been hit hard with the 7.5, It used to struggle to do anything as a tier 8 tank due to its size, and the inaccuracy of its guns.

Now that it has moved up a a tier and only recieved a buff to its RoF. its basicly worthless. And heres why!

-The lorraine can't flank! It is currently the odd beast out of the amx line due to its incredible size {About as large as a Lowe), it is not a flanking vehicle like the quick, smal, and hard to hit amx's/ batchat. Due to this, it has to basicly snipe with its 100mm gun.

-The 100mm gun is not made for sniping! It has a large penetration value but low damage per shell (300, also a hit doesn't make you enough credits to pay for said spend shell) And the accuracy of the gun is all over the place for the ranges to lorraine has to put itself to make shure it is safe

-It can't brawl. Due to the large size of the lorraine, and its horrid gun depression, i've had it happen to me multiple times where a tank could just scoot underneath the place where i could aim with my gun an that is basicly a deaths sentance.


So wat role is the lorraine good in? It has to much glaring weaknesses to perform in the major roles of WoT.

You are betting of bringin in a loltrac, since the enemy have a chance of missing the darned thing and wasting a shell

EDIT aannd here come the -'s

Edited by twistolation, 01 August 2012 - 08:31 PM.


Phooca #2 Posted 01 August 2012 - 04:32 PM

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Snipe for the first half of the battle , then sneak through the gaps and rape any solo tankers left , easy

fnaves_POR #3 Posted 01 August 2012 - 04:37 PM

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Did you even try it on 7.5? Maybe it's to soon to evaluate.

kapkopx #4 Posted 01 August 2012 - 04:58 PM

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This guy (topic maker) have right.
He know what he writes. Read his post again. This is true, real but sad true about Lorraine 40T.

Firecam #5 Posted 01 August 2012 - 05:06 PM

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View Postfnaves_POR, on 01 August 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

Did you even try it on 7.5? Maybe it's to soon to evaluate.

I did. It's not nearly as bad as BatChat or the tier 6-8 AMX lights but it is worse than it used to be thanks to the move to tier 9 (and consequently much worse MM, which means higher repairs on what was already a very expensive tank to maintain and fewer credits earned due to harder targets and less damage dealt).

chuao #6 Posted 01 August 2012 - 05:11 PM

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Ok, you had a couple of bad fight and camed to forum to open an whining thread. We are used with that. But let's thing logically and see what changed with this good tank from tier 8 to tier 9:



Dispersion on move and rotation with second suspension decreased by 10%
Second suspension manoeuvrability on solid soils increased by 9%
Second suspension manoeuvrability on medium soils increased by 8%
Second suspension manoeuvrability on soft soils increased by 10%
Tank durability increased by 250 hit points
Turret turning speed increased by 4 degrees per second
Reloading speed within the drum of 100 mm SA47 gun increased by 38%
Reloading time (of new drum) of 100 mm SA47 mm decreased by 12 sec
Dispersion of 100 mm SA47 gun while turning the turret decreased by 10%

So, it's more accurate on the move, more manoeuvrable and the gun is better (38 drum loading not 50 and it fires much faster in drum). Where is the problem ? Like allways, the driver is the problem.

Lorraine can't flank?! Good joke.

Edited by chuao, 01 August 2012 - 05:15 PM.


_Nooby_ #7 Posted 01 August 2012 - 05:22 PM

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I agree to, played the 'new' Lorraine a few times now. At first it seems better. Faster, more HP and better gun. But the accuracy is not good and the poor armor makes it a nice target for the enemy.

It was difficult making a difference as a tier 8 tank, now its a tier 9. My advice : never upgrade from an AMX 90. Thats more fun, is small and fast and has a decent punch

twistolation #8 Posted 01 August 2012 - 07:37 PM

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They just gave it wat it needed on tier 8. and buffed it up a tier, its not that good, i played it a lot!

Snailsaviour #9 Posted 01 August 2012 - 08:08 PM

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View Postchuao, on 01 August 2012 - 05:11 PM, said:

Ok, you had a couple of bad fight and camed to forum to open an whining thread. We are used with that. But let's thing logically and see what changed with this good tank from tier 8 to tier 9:



Dispersion on move and rotation with second suspension decreased by 10%
Second suspension manoeuvrability on solid soils increased by 9%
Second suspension manoeuvrability on medium soils increased by 8%
Second suspension manoeuvrability on soft soils increased by 10%
Tank durability increased by 250 hit points
Turret turning speed increased by 4 degrees per second
Reloading speed within the drum of 100 mm SA47 gun increased by 38%
Reloading time (of new drum) of 100 mm SA47 mm decreased by 12 sec
Dispersion of 100 mm SA47 gun while turning the turret decreased by 10%

So, it's more accurate on the move, more manoeuvrable and the gun is better (38 drum loading not 50 and it fires much faster in drum). Where is the problem ? Like allways, the driver is the problem.

Lorraine can't flank?! Good joke.

You are wrong! i have more than 400 games in the Lorraine and its advantages where its high acceleration and manouevrabillity! for me it was the ultimate hit an run tank! i even liked it better than the Bat Chat. it always felt a littlebit more like a tier 9! but sinds today they just destroyed its strong points. it drives almost like a heavy and I even tosted in clutch breaking but it hardly helps! What you posted are webside statistics and that ist how it feels now in the game! its slow and slugish and this was one of my favourite tanks in the game!
Such a shame! :Smile_sad:
Hope they going to fix it and if not: RIP Lorraine 40t
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Eeti #10 Posted 01 August 2012 - 08:35 PM

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Are you joking? Lorraine has returned to its former glory with the tier raise.

Furzy #11 Posted 01 August 2012 - 10:26 PM

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View PostEeti, on 01 August 2012 - 08:35 PM, said:

Are you joking? Lorraine has returned to its former glory with the tier raise.


Agree'd

Cruiser_Yahagi #12 Posted 03 August 2012 - 09:45 AM

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I'm probably not allowed to post an opinion on the changes, since pre 7.5 i had less then 20 games in it, always with bottom engine and only 2 games with the 100mm, but i really like the improved speed of the 100mm. it allows for a better shooting flow since the reload and aimtime are very close together now. (2.4ish reload, 2.6X aimtime with GLD and adv crew skills )

the more games im playing the more i feel like i make a diffrence. but making cash is a hard thing for this tank (35K maintenance every game :P)

Waffle_Pepper #13 Posted 03 August 2012 - 10:11 AM

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I don't know why but I prefer the lorrain before 7.5 .....
I think that with the rise of its tier, the gun damage is not enough to compensate the size and depression of this machine ...
Damage was good for a tier 8 but for a 9th tier it is not enough
Yes lorraine is better  than it was but now  I thing other 9th tier med are more powerfull

Edited by Waffle_Pepper, 03 August 2012 - 10:15 AM.


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Isn't Lorraine 40t just a faster AMX 50 100 with less hitpoints?

With the latter both sniping and flanking was a good option. Now the L40T even got buffed. ...

Waffle_Pepper #15 Posted 03 August 2012 - 10:26 AM

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I know i don't say lorraine is a useless tank  but its damage is not enough for a 9th tier, lorraine is agile and have good mobility
but its huge size and it's bad gun depression make it hard to use.

I mean with a 9th tier tank 1v1 a lowe is not a piece of cake.....

jakub_czyli_ja #16 Posted 03 August 2012 - 10:41 AM

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View Postchuao, on 01 August 2012 - 05:11 PM, said:

Ok, you had a couple of bad fight and camed to forum to open an whining thread. We are used with that. But let's thing logically and see what changed with this good tank from tier 8 to tier 9:
    Dispersion on move and rotation with second suspension decreased by 10%
From appaling to horrible.

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Tank durability increased by 250 hit points
So to kill Lorraine, HT needs 3 instead of 2,5 hits.

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Turret turning speed increased by 4 degrees per second
So dispersion from rotating turret will in fact grows by 3% (assuming linear growth because of speed).

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Reloading speed within the drum of 100 mm SA47 gun increased by 38%
So it again shoots faster than aims.

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Reloading time (of new drum) of 100 mm SA47 mm decreased by 12 sec
After all it's tier 9.

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Dispersion of 100 mm SA47 gun while turning the turret decreased by 10%

90 mm DCA 45 was removed, so now there are only 2 guns are available: poor F3 and expensive and not-so-accurate 100mm SA 47 (yay for all those shots going left, right, above and under the target while sniping).

Lorraine with it's size needs better gun depression to make use of real hull down position, to hide the body and vulnerable turret ring.
Not even dreaming about better accuracy and/or better aiming time.

Bangodan #17 Posted 03 August 2012 - 12:11 PM

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Anybody know what it costs to fully repair a lorraine now at tier 9? Seems to be around 13k from my, admittedly bad, memory. If so, it is a darn cheap tier 9 tank to use.

Mr_Sukebe #18 Posted 03 August 2012 - 02:55 PM

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Sold mine today after 282 battles.  Had around 10 battles since 7.5, I don't remember the Lorry surviving a single one of them.  It's still as easy to damage as ever, the tougher oponents (and number of arty in T10 games) have just made it unviable in the games I've played.

At least the Tier change meant that I hadn't lost too much in the sale of it, though over time, it will have cost a fortune to run that 100mm gun.  At least I have some crew for my T6 TD.

GehakteMolen #19 Posted 03 August 2012 - 03:24 PM

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lorraine is crap, what can a lorraine do an T54 or E50 or Patton cant do?

lor got 10 pen more, and is faster, but has no armor and way bigger + no gundepression...

the ONLY advantage the Lor has is a 6 shot clip (with huge reload), the lor is just poo (compared to other tier 9 meds...)

SteelyD #20 Posted 03 August 2012 - 04:56 PM

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Yeah this tank is basically worthless now. 7.5 brought a huge nerf for it. Yeah it had some stats buffed, but it replaces the batchat which in every single way was a much better tank. So moving it up a tier was a nerf, even with the minor improvements they made.

And tbh, it didn't need a nerf, I already had trouble enjoying it because of its many weaknesses, now it's just underpowered to a degree that's insulting.

It's on my "for sale" list. Anyone in the market for a used, broken french tank?

Edited by SteelyD, 03 August 2012 - 04:59 PM.





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