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The lorraine 40T is dead, and worthless now [7.5]


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HubertGruber #41 Posted 05 August 2012 - 02:41 PM

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Tier 8 lorry was just awesome and OP (i drove it after nerfs).
However, tier 9 lorraine? Didnt even try, sold it asap.

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IchiFi #42 Posted 05 August 2012 - 03:49 PM

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34.5k grind in a tier 9 with a tier 7 gun..

dysje #43 Posted 05 August 2012 - 04:09 PM

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To be honest I'm doing quite well in the stock lorraine at tier 9. Even making a nice profit overall without premium! Of course you have to aim carefully with the 90mm, but I'm not having much trouble with that. Most opposing tanks have large enough weak sides to use em when getting close enough and it's quick enough to make that happen. I was expecting it to be horrific, but I'm pleasantly surprised and definately I won't complain as long as I'm making a profit with a tier 9 med without prem!

Waffle_Pepper #44 Posted 05 August 2012 - 09:21 PM

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Well Imo lorraine does not have enough DPS, what I mean with expose yourself is that shoting someone with lorraine mean 95
% of the time been in a position of getting hit.

I think lorraine is missing penetration! its gun do have the lowest pen of all the 9th med.

Sajuszny #45 Posted 05 August 2012 - 09:37 PM

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Yeah Sure! Next god damn ugly topic. AMX 50B is useless and worthless now too... FOR SURE. Who the hell make this threads...

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View Postdysje, on 05 August 2012 - 04:09 PM, said:

To be honest I'm doing quite well in the stock lorraine at tier 9. Even making a nice profit overall without premium! Of course you have to aim carefully with the 90mm, but I'm not having much trouble with that. Most opposing tanks have large enough weak sides to use em when getting close enough and it's quick enough to make that happen. I was expecting it to be horrific, but I'm pleasantly surprised and definately I won't complain as long as I'm making a profit with a tier 9 med without prem!

Come back to this thread after you play like 200 games in Lorraine.
T9 are not about making money, are about winning and having a good performance.  Lorraine it's not even close to a T9 medium just as my AMX 50-120 is not even close to a T9 heavy.
Also, keep in mind, with the 100 mm you will lose money even with a premium account, even winning.

Legault #47 Posted 05 August 2012 - 10:30 PM

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View PostRampage, on 05 August 2012 - 10:15 PM, said:

with the 100 mm you will lose money even with a premium account, even winning.
Wrong. Overall it makes a profit with premium.


And why is someone that doesn't own a lorraine telling people to come back after playing 200 games? Am I missing something?

Phooca #48 Posted 05 August 2012 - 11:53 PM

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if you dont make money on a win in the lorry that means your not aiming and missing or bouncing shots , it's pretty easy to pull a profit when you do some decent damage

joyuesp #49 Posted 05 August 2012 - 11:55 PM

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View PostLegault, on 05 August 2012 - 10:30 PM, said:

Wrong. Overall it makes a profit with premium.


And why is someone that doesn't own a lorraine telling people to come back after playing 200 games? Am I missing something?
i remember a bit expensive(ammo cost/damage done) the 100mm in comparison with the 90mm, not to lose money but with the 90mm you could play it with a standard account.

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View PostAmphiskios, on 03 August 2012 - 10:09 PM, said:

Now it's true that I'm not the best player around, but since the tier change the winrate of my Lorraine has dropped sharply. My pre-7.5 winrate was 58%, in recent days it has dropped below 50%.

My winrate with Lorraine has gone up from 58% to 59% since 7.5. I just don't get you people, IMO tier 8 Lorraine was a decent tank, but not fun, the almost 4 sec's between shots was too much and you had to expose yourself too much to do any damage and then you we're killed pretty fast. But now with the tier raise, I feel that the Lorraine is fun to play again, I really enjoy it, just like in public test when the French tanks first appeared.

I'm sorry that I have to say this, but you people should stop whining and learn to play.

ps. thnx for the neg reps

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View PostLegault, on 05 August 2012 - 10:30 PM, said:

Wrong. Overall it makes a profit with premium.


And why is someone that doesn't own a lorraine telling people to come back after playing 200 games? Am I missing something?

Yes, you do. The experience. Only after you have elited your tank, you equiped it with all the modules ( vents, GLD, Stab ) and play a solid number of battles alone in random, you trully know what the tank is capable of.
Doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to know how lorraine works if you played most of the french line.

BTW Legault from all the characters from Game of Thrones, your avatar suits you well and the most.

Edited by Rampage, 06 August 2012 - 12:25 AM.


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Lorraine was dead for me since the 7.4 nerf already. Now they moved it to tier 9, this poor big boxes explode like nothing in those matches. Its hitbox seems for me as big as Maus but with the difference that your shell pens everywhere you hit it. IMO they should've put the 13 90 to tier 9 and keep Lorraine as tier 8.

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View PostWaffle_Pepper, on 05 August 2012 - 09:21 PM, said:

I think lorraine is missing penetration! its gun do have the lowest pen of all the 9th med.
If by lowest you mean highest, then yeah, it does.

Now the stock gun may have 5mm (FIVE) lower penetration then Soviet stock gun, or 10mm lower then Pershing gun for USA med (10mm higher then Patton stock gun),but the guns that matter, the top guns, French has 7mm more then Soviet top gun and 14mm more pen then USA top gun, 12mm more then German gun.

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View PostMike_Hammer, on 06 August 2012 - 09:03 AM, said:

If by lowest you mean highest, then yeah, it does.

Now the stock gun may have 5mm (FIVE) lower penetration then Soviet stock gun, or 10mm lower then Pershing gun for USA med (10mm higher then Patton stock gun),but the guns that matter, the top guns, French has 7mm more then Soviet top gun and 14mm more pen then USA top gun, 12mm more then German gun.

I quote  data from wot eu :

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T-54 :
IX  100mm D-54  DMG : 320/320/420  PEN :219/350/50  ROF :7.32

E-50 :
IX  10,5 cm KwK 45 L/52 Ausf. B   DMG : 390/390/510  PEN :220/270/60 ROF 6.0
IX  8,8 cm KwK 46 L/100    DMG : 240/240/295  PEN :223/261/44 ROF 8.7

Lorraine 40T :
VIII  100mm SA 47 DMG 300/300/400  PEN 232/263/50  ROF 1.5

Patton :
IX  105 mm Gun T5E1M2 DMG 390/390/480  PEN 218/265/53 ROF 6.0
http://worldoftanks....pedia/vehicles/

I don't know why people think lorraine has the highest pen .... That is not true, lots of shot bounce I even bounce a shot at the back of a batchat ......
For the storry I never shot at the front  it's a waist of amo most of the time....

Edited by Waffle_Pepper, 06 August 2012 - 02:43 PM.


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Waffle, perhaps I am missing something but the quote from WOT eu does not support your statement. The lorraines gun has 232 pen, that is the highest of all the guns you have listed there, unless you are refering to gold ammo?

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View PostWhoopieMonster, on 06 August 2012 - 02:54 PM, said:

Waffle, perhaps I am missing something but the quote from WOT eu does not support your statement. The lorraines gun has 232 pen, that is the highest of all the guns you have listed there, unless you are refering to gold ammo?
I am refering to side PEN as a lorraine you shoot from the side and back 70% of the time .

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View PostWaffle_Pepper, on 06 August 2012 - 02:57 PM, said:

I am refering to side PEN as a lorraine you shoot from the side and back 70% of the time .

There is no such thing as a side pen value.

Take the 100mm SA47 - 232/263/50 :
232 - Penetration value with regular AP shells, bought with credits.
263 - Penetration value with premium AP shells, bought with golds.
50 - Penetration value with HE shells, bought with credits.

With regular AP (the most commonly used by the players) the Lorraine 40t has the best penetration of all T9 Mediums.

WhoopieMonster #58 Posted 06 August 2012 - 03:19 PM

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What Souroy said. I found the numbers a little confusing when I started out, until my brother explained them to me. As a general rule it goes Silver AP/Gold AP/Silver HE.

Edit: Silver and Gold being the currency used to purchase them.

Edited by WhoopieMonster, 06 August 2012 - 03:25 PM.


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View PostWaffle_Pepper, on 06 August 2012 - 02:41 PM, said:

I quote  data from wot eu :


http://worldoftanks....pedia/vehicles/

I don't know why people think lorraine has the highest pen .... That is not true, lots of shot bounce I even bounce a shot at the back of a batchat ......
For the storry I never shot at the front  it's a waist of amo most of the time....

Just bounced 4 shots on the back tracks of a Type59... it was like... W.T.F.

Edited by BleakShell, 06 August 2012 - 03:40 PM.


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View PostSouroy, on 06 August 2012 - 03:11 PM, said:

There is no such thing as a side pen value.

Take the 100mm SA47 - 232/263/50 :
232 - Penetration value with regular AP shells, bought with credits.
263 - Penetration value with premium AP shells, bought with golds.
50 - Penetration value with HE shells, bought with credits.

With regular AP (the most commonly used by the players) the Lorraine 40t has the best penetration of all T9 Mediums.

Ok it's understood don't know why  but i alway thought it was front pen/side pen/back pen.
I was wrong mybad!




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