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Schakar #1 Posted 01 August 2012 - 05:48 PM

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First: the ELC AMX is cool ... but what is it? Scout? Tankdestroyer?

With this patch most france TDs recived a nerf. Argument for this was: "they are to good when played now".

Well, what do you expect? After the pur PAIN of H35, AMX38 and AMX40 which are all slow as hell with bad guns (except the fun-trollguns) you now get a LIGHT-SCOUT-TANKDESTROYER. After you survived this grind ... you are a much more skilled driver allready!
- you learned to hide
- you learned how to reach your target
- you learned how to aim (yes, you do it with T2 to T4 france tanks)
- with ELC you learn how to scout
- and you learn how to play TD
- you learn how to "speed-tank" (T-50 style)
You ARE a much more expirenced player with this tree then you would be with German, USSR or US tanks up to T5.

And with this you will do much better with T6+ france tanks then you will do with other Nations tanks.

Again, the ELC AMX is a fun mobil (baby BatChat) ... but it should NOT be in this tree!
And if you plan again to nerf france tanks ... WG, it is your fault as you gave france players a MUCH MUCH harder learning path! They DESERVE to have 5 to 10% better win-ratios with this path!

Buffzzz #2 Posted 01 August 2012 - 05:56 PM

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"Baby BatChat" suits perfectly. I just fall in love with him atm.. Oh dear StugIII, are your days counted?

deamy #3 Posted 01 August 2012 - 05:57 PM

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This game have turreted TD's, it have non-turreted lights, it have lights being heavier than some heavies.

Everything is Working as Inteded™.

ferrari484 #4 Posted 01 August 2012 - 06:02 PM

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View PostBuffzzz, on 01 August 2012 - 05:56 PM, said:

"Baby BatChat" suits perfectly. I just fall in love with him atm.. Oh dear StugIII, are your days counted?
lol agreed,
Also it's a really nice credit grinder if you need one.

edit: oke -2 just because pll are you lame or don't know how to play, sweet....

Edited by ferrari484, 02 August 2012 - 10:13 PM.


Buffzzz #5 Posted 01 August 2012 - 06:05 PM

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View Postferrari484, on 01 August 2012 - 06:02 PM, said:

lol agreed,
Also it's a really nice credit grinder if you need one.

Nice? Exelent credit farmer you mean, we speak of I-hit-TierVII-Heavies-for-220hp-credits :)

Grabz19 #6 Posted 01 August 2012 - 06:07 PM

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I don't understand how to play it... it's a waste of agility if you have to play it as a TD and a waste of a scout if it barely can shoot the enemy when circling... and the gun reload negates such role even more.

Edited by Grabarz19_PL, 01 August 2012 - 06:08 PM.


vODkjha #7 Posted 01 August 2012 - 06:09 PM

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Decent tank and fun to play, l2p or don't play at all.

Navarome #8 Posted 01 August 2012 - 06:09 PM

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View PostSchakar, on 01 August 2012 - 05:48 PM, said:

First: the ELC AMX is cool ... but what is it? Scout? Tankdestroyer?

With this patch most france TDs recived a nerf. Argument for this was: "they are to good when played now".

Well, what do you expect? After the pur PAIN of H35, AMX38 and AMX40 which are all slow as hell with bad guns (except the fun-trollguns) you now get a LIGHT-SCOUT-TANKDESTROYER. After you survived this grind ... you are a much more skilled driver allready!
- you learned to hide
- you learned how to reach your target
- you learned how to aim (yes, you do it with T2 to T4 france tanks)
- with ELC you learn how to scout
- and you learn how to play TD
- you learn how to "speed-tank" (T-50 style)
You ARE a much more expirenced player with this tree then you would be with German, USSR or US tanks up to T5.

And with this you will do much better with T6+ france tanks then you will do with other Nations tanks.

Again, the ELC AMX is a fun mobil (baby BatChat) ... but it should NOT be in this tree!
And if you plan again to nerf france tanks ... WG, it is your fault as you gave france players a MUCH MUCH harder learning path! They DESERVE to have 5 to 10% better win-ratios with this path!


i read it, and still dont understand why the tank is an fail...

KptStrzyga #9 Posted 01 August 2012 - 06:11 PM

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View Postdeamy, on 01 August 2012 - 05:57 PM, said:

This game have turreted TD's, it have non-turreted lights, it have lights being heavier than some heavies.

Everything is Working as Inteded™.
You forgot heavies faster then meds. And arty faster then lights. With higher ROF then most tanks have.

Edited by KptStrzyga, 01 August 2012 - 06:15 PM.


SabatonPagan #10 Posted 01 August 2012 - 06:11 PM

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I fail to see how french tanks "deserve"lazer cannon guns because of one poor tank in the tree. Everyone has them and i have played 2 of 3 you mentioned and are not bad at all.
There is no reason for the ELC to have a tier 8 gun especially with the new MM when things like the JgPz4 use crapy guns on a higher tier.
The French tanks teach you that you can shoot any point on any tank and penetrate! How is this good.
Tha fact they have crapy or no armor is still perfectly balanced by the shit ton of HP they have for a "light"tank.

jaime619 #11 Posted 01 August 2012 - 06:12 PM

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I think that my replay of the tanks speaks for it self, as i consider this tank really fun and atm my favorite tank.
http://mwreplays.com/replayimg/655a8b7a960185b8614a600aab71d243.png

EDIT:

Why did i get neg repped? i Know that if you play solo you can't do what i did in the replay but that doesn't mean that the tank suck on randoms with no platoon.

As the OP sayed you will learn a lot with this tank and what i really like the most about the tank is it's versatily, you can be a very mobile sniper, you can do counter scout really well, you can even be a decent scout and specially you can use it as a "shotgun" tank, in which you get really close to an enemy tank and hit him at very close range his sides or back.

This tankn earns a lot of credits if you don't do suicide scout, which isn't what it's supposed to do in the first place. So overall it's a great tank if you can get passed it's lack of 360º turning turret.

Edited by jaime619, 04 August 2012 - 07:25 PM.


Buffzzz #12 Posted 01 August 2012 - 06:12 PM

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View PostGrabarz19_PL, on 01 August 2012 - 06:07 PM, said:

I don't understand how to play it... it's a waste of agility if you have to play it as a TD and a waste of a scout if it barely can shoot the enemy when circling... and the gun reload negates such role even more.

Do both: haste to a spot, shoot/kill, haste to another spot.. and so on. incredible low profile helps you too

CatalinFilip #13 Posted 01 August 2012 - 06:17 PM

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This tank is so awsaome , i love it , but i still dont understand why it is a fail tank like you say:-?

Feldwebel_Mo #14 Posted 01 August 2012 - 06:38 PM

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ELC AMX destroys the usual gameplay of WoT!

As normal Tank (even more as TD) 50% of the time u turn arround in circles trying to avoid this Bitc**s.
Compared to the T-50-2 and VK2801 you just need 1/4 of the Exp to get them. Soon there will be lots of these turbo-ants in each game.
At that time I will quit WoT, cause fun has gone!


P.S.: Just had a game with 5 of them...
Be back when there are 29...

Edited by Feldwebel_Mo, 01 August 2012 - 07:38 PM.


nooboid #15 Posted 01 August 2012 - 06:47 PM

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WTF is this flying jet ELC AMX?

As if T-50-2 was not enough, now you introduce into game second non-sense speed jet?
Are you with your mind? Or just push to ruin the gameplay further?

KptStrzyga #16 Posted 01 August 2012 - 06:53 PM

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View PostWindchaser, on 01 August 2012 - 06:47 PM, said:

WTF is this flying jet ELC AMX?

As if T-50-2 was not enough, now you introduce into game second non-sense speed jet?
Are you with your mind? Or just push to ruin the gameplay further?
And now start complaining about "too much arty". It is good medicine for arty.

Yag0 #17 Posted 01 August 2012 - 06:55 PM

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View PostWindchaser, on 01 August 2012 - 06:47 PM, said:

WTF is this flying jet ELC AMX?

As if T-50-2 was not enough, now you introduce into game second non-sense speed jet?
Are you with your mind? Or just push to ruin the gameplay further?

Nah , just introduced to milk your gold in free xp (how many players skipped amx40?) .
Then it will be nerfed to mediocrity , and the next one wheeled out .

Ogrisash #18 Posted 01 August 2012 - 06:58 PM

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Well, the ELC certainly brings up a new way of playing.
But, even my beer can has better armor.
The good part of that is that you'll never ever get tracked again :) (You'll be a wreck before that actually happens)
Good gun though and understandable that they left out the rotation turret.
Although it has its speed the ELC is not ment for trolling heavies alone like the T50 and T50-2
I guess the best way of playing this tank is to be supportive and not scouting.

Conclusion: ELC has speed and a good gun but on its own its hardly worth the title tank

Edit: the ROF is, as always with outtiered guns, nothing to write about to home.

Edited by Ogrisash, 01 August 2012 - 07:00 PM.


Bosancjeros #19 Posted 01 August 2012 - 07:08 PM

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the tanks is kinda cool, but people will have hard time playing it coming after amx 40. Anyways, the little bugger is fast, awesome gun, and who cares if it doesn't have a turret, shot and run, your armor is too low to save you from enemy shoots

KptStrzyga #20 Posted 01 August 2012 - 07:19 PM

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It is best anty-arty and anty-scout in game. T-50-2 won`t stand a chance on open area.

Edited by KptStrzyga, 01 August 2012 - 07:19 PM.





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