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Hi,

whats the point that german tanks have "more accurate guns" that are not capable of penetrating. It is nice to hit a tin can 200 meters away, but when you hit it 15 times and you can not even scratched it... well...

Ah, i forgot, Russian game. Aaaaall right.

Thanks for your time

First, it's a belarus game.
Second, german guns are fine, except for the short 88mm gun.

Yup that nick is totaly legit and makes you sound not biased at all.

German guns are very accurate and those guns delivers devastating power to the battlefield.  I give myself right to say you have no idea man.... sorry but it's truth

Accuracy means aiming for weak spots in the enemy armor, not just being able to hit the enemy tank. Cripple them - destroy their ammo racks, set their engines on fire, knock out their gun or kill their crew.

The point of accuracy is to aim at weakspots.

Cuddly_Spider, on 13 August 2012 - 01:27 AM, said:

Easier said than done. One have to put a real effort into searching for info about weakspots and module locations of tanks that are in the game. I've seen smart people who simply struggled with proper googling because of being somewhat internet impaired. It's then hard to expect average new players to have any idea where to look for such info and thus where to aim. The game itself doesn't provide much support in this manner apart from penetration marker, which is useless most of times anyways due to armor angling and distance.

However I do agree, German guns (most of them anyways) excel in accuracy and IF tanker knows where to aim to penetrate and cripple the enemy said accuracy helps a great deal.

Weakspots are usually very easy to find for everyone that has even a little insight on how armor and angling work in this game.

Sd_Kfz_182, on 13 August 2012 - 12:51 AM, said:

800+ battles and obviously still no clue how to play the game and how it works. Yep, German guns suck so much... /irony

RangerZz, on 13 August 2012 - 02:03 AM, said:

Tell this to the MAUS and E-100.

RangerZz, on 13 August 2012 - 02:03 AM, said:

I am playing this game for about 2 weeks now. My statistics aren't that bad for this time. I know some weak spots of different enemy tank types and i am not playing lemming style. I wrote this post because i had shot 5 times on a KV-5s R2-D2 where bouncing marks where clearly visible and did no damage. I was in my new Tiger II, only gun was stock. I bought a 100 % Crew since i have to work and can't play all day long. So, now tell me this isn't ridiculous. What's your explanation as an "obviously" WoT expert ?

Oh, forgot to say thanks to all the guys trying to give me constructive hints. Really appreciated. I like the game but there are often situations where i think "WTF?!?, how can that be". Imho the german guns are slightly underpowered while most russian tanks are overpowered. I am not having that problem with most french or american tanks. Yes, i am losing fights against them too. But in the same tier it feels more "fair" to lose.

Thanks for your time

Sd_Kfz_182, on 13 August 2012 - 02:45 AM, said:

Almost everything that is German in this game will feel slightly underpowered to you for a simple reason: their mechanics don't fit into the size of current maps. Russian tanks are more effective because we play in environment that suits them most of the time, pretty much. You'd start noticing the difference between German and Russian guns if you got to fight on 400+ meter distance most of the time where the accuracy would help you a lot (though penetration can still be problematic).

I'm not the kind of person that will ever care to compare German to Russian in this game thoroughly but I'll tell you one thing for a fact: this game got us to fight tanks two tiers higher and two tiers lower so, a slight difference in the same tier doesn't cause a huge amount of problems. Especially since the game can't be fully properly balanced (look up this thread too: http://forum.worldof...-nothing-is-op/)

@Grabarz19_PL

Hi,
i see your point. Would make sense in a historical point of view. So i've gotta hope that bigger maps will be implemented sometimes.

Until then it seems i have to choose between "live with it", start another countrys techtree, or "buy gold ammo". I'll take option 1 and try to be smarter than other tankists

Sd_Kfz_182, on 13 August 2012 - 03:23 AM, said:

3x3 km maps are currently in plans but you might not live long enough to see the actual implementation
Also, don't resort to gold ammo. That is not an option unless you earn bags of money IRL :P
The German tanks are playable without, it's just a bit harder sometimes but then again, if you have a huge enough liking for these vehicles, you will play them regardless. Nothing is better than kicking ass of an "overpowered Russian"

Once you get the idea on how to play overall, you will kick ass regardless of what tank you're using simply because you're a better player.
Edited by Grabarz19_PL, 13 August 2012 - 03:32 AM.

Grabarz19_PL, on 13 August 2012 - 02:58 AM, said:

This is the answer with the most sense I have read so far regarding the issue.

German guns are acccurate blah blah blah. How many of you actually played german tanks ? The guns aren't so hugely more accurate than what american tanks have. Long 88 can easily miss a huge target, the 128 is even less accurate, short 88 also misses. Truly the only really accurate guns are on TDs, then again all TDs are supposed to be accurate.

You're right, german guns sucks big time, mainly because the noob devs didn't take into account the german's way of measuring pen at 30 degrees which means all their guns should have a pen higher with 15% on all guns.

its really easy german guns have around 30% less penetration than their reallife counterpart  russian tanks got large buffs to their guns up to a full +100mm in case of the is7
so its hardly supirising that a 150mm gun feels weak when its nerfed to hell while its counterparts on the russian tree gets absurdly large buffs

Nekomancer, on 13 August 2012 - 12:55 AM, said:

Behind the church,I choose if swords or pistols.

No,really now,so whazzup with the 12,8cm and 15cm?

Grabarz19_PL, on 13 August 2012 - 02:58 AM, said:

Except top tier IS-4 have exactly the same accuracy with far better penetration and slightly less dmg per shot compared to 12.8. IS-7 and its 130mm boomstick is worse, but I find it way more reliable in those "not fully aimed" or "on the move" shots than German 12.8 (on VK45b).

For sniping purposes T110 is the best heavy around - aim time and accuracy is Win/Win situation.

In mid to high tier, I agree. Germans have accuracy on their side (75 L/70, 88 L/71, both 105 guns)