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Hello,

Today was the first day after patch 7.5 that i played high tier tanks again and i joined a battle
and saw that my team had 5 tier 10 tanks and enemy had 6 tier 10 tanks.

How is this posible tier 10  are always put against tier 10 but now they can be put against tier 9?

Enemy had a T62A and we had an E75.

Is this normal after patch 7.5 or is this a bug?

http://wiki.worldoft...cs#Battle_Tiers

New battletier chart

Tier 10 tanks will mainly see other tier 10 tanks but they can be also matched with tier 9 tanks quite often and sometimes event tier 8 tanks.
The new matchmaking system is set to give a 3 tier spread.  Exceptions to this are for arty, scouts and some specific tanks listed separately.

I'm pretty sure he actually meant that his team had one less tier 10 in the battle than the enemy team, which is, quite frankly, pretty rare (but if the MM can pass on enough weight points it will...)
Edited by Grabarz19_PL, 13 August 2012 - 02:50 AM.

Ooooh yeah that might have been due to a difference with scouts and arty in the teams also.

would really need a screenshot of the teams to check it out.

lol the screenshot is to big to upload hahaha EPIC FAIL

I made the screenshot with the game itself not with FRAPS or other programs ;)

I will type the list of tanks:

My team: Enemy:
E100    E100
E100    E100
T110E5    IS4
E50M   IS7
JGPZE100   Obj.268
E75 T62A
E75 E75
M103   E75
Lorraine40t IS8
Lowe   KV4
Jgpanther2 Tiger2
panther2 VK4502A
t44 GWtiger
gwtiger    M12
gwpanther   T32

Edited by Oberst_Hans_Von_Grobel, 13 August 2012 - 03:15 AM.

Just saying, next time if you want to upload a picture use a free hosting site, for example:

http://imgur.com/
http://imageshack.us/

It's way easier and simpler than using the forum attachment system.

Forgive me for being a nublet but I can't even see the 35(f) on that (the T2 p2w tank) and again forgive me *braces* has the Type 59 been that battle bracket for the last 6 months ish?

 CaptainMastiff, on 13 August 2012 - 03:24 AM, said:

The tanks in the table below are the "exceptions" which get a different MM than tanks in the same tier have otherwise. If you don't see a particular tank there that means it has the standard MM of it's tank tier and type counterparts (so for instance if you dont see 38H on the list that means it uses a tier 2 light MM)

I can't belive some one is complaining about teams with 5 or 6 tier 10's aside whilest in a tier9.

Try the same when in an amx 12t

If there was anyone in a platoon that could have effected the team as well

 Oberst_Hans_Von_Grobel, on 13 August 2012 - 02:30 AM, said:

balancing (the teams) is done by adding "weights" to tanks and then balancing these weights.

http://wiki.worldoft...#Vehicle_Weight  <---- old information, but will give you a clue how it's done

difference in tank tiers can occur because of this.

But MM isn't perfect, so sometimes it just screws up the balance (rarely tough), either because of poor selection of the tanks for the match, or there were just not enough tanks available or something completely unrelated (randoms are random :D).
Edited by arbenowskee, 13 August 2012 - 08:44 AM.

Vehicle Tier

Vehicle tier is NOT taken into consideration when balancing teams. This is a common misconception among players. For example, under the current rules a tier 8 medium can be matched against a tier 7 heavy tank. The tier 8 medium has a matchmaking weight of 40 and the tier 7 heavy tank has a matchmaking weight of 39.15, i.e. nearly the same. The only relevance of vehicle tier is to determine the battle tier.

Such situations occur, but Iam more pissed about how the new MM deploys arties... Having quite often lately ridiculous arty balances.

Example 1x T8, 2x T7 and one T6 arty vs 1x T8, 3xT7 and one T6 additional arty. Aint much but one extra S-51 arty is damn unfair said the least lol. Not to mention they had two AMX 13 90 and one T502 while we had one T-50 and a Tiger (platooned with T10 tank lol).

It never happened to me that 1 team has 1 tier 10 more/less...   But it did happen to have 2-3 more/less



But Overlord said it's "working as intended", so I guess it's nothing to see here.

 lonigus, on 13 August 2012 - 10:02 AM, said:

Yeah, this happens a lot. For example yesterday our team had 4 arties and I think 2 scouts, opposing team had 3 arties and no scout. I killed one of their arties early, after our scout had spotted it. We won. IIRC I and team mate in GWP had 8 kills together.

 DRAKKON, on 13 August 2012 - 09:57 AM, said:

It never happened before 0.7.5. That's the problem. Even if the balance was bonkers from tier 9 down, you always had the exact number of tier 10 tanks in each team. Now I can see that it happens quite a lot that the number of tier 10s is uneven.
Look at FrostDK's shots:
1st match: 2 HT + 2 MT + 1 TD vs. 2 HT + 3 MT + 2 TD
2nd match: 5HT + 3 MT + 1 TD vs. 4 HT + 1 MT + 1 TD
IMO the difference in numbers shouldn't be there for the Tier 10s. Even if you consider the 0.7.4 tank type % weight increase, this is still a f-ed up balance.

This has always happened.
Games are not, and never have been perfectly balanced.

It is common place to see different numbers of tiered tanks in any game. Always has been.

Quote

This.
Edited by Celestia, 13 August 2012 - 12:02 PM.

 DRAKKON, on 13 August 2012 - 09:57 AM, said:

Also, tanks are not matched against each other when balancing teams. This is a common misconception among players. The tank opposite you in the roster is not the tank you, and only you, are supposed to take on one-on-one.

Points, weightings, totals, "balanced" (within the rules of the MM) teams -- and not boring old "Your E-100, their E-100, your IS-4, their IS-4...".

 Oberst_Hans_Von_Grobel, on 13 August 2012 - 02:30 AM, said:

Unfortunately you're just confused.
Edited by Zamial, 13 August 2012 - 12:35 PM.