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version 7.5 brings us tier X Tank Destroyers. Awesome. I have waited for this for so long!

However, i need to point out something VERY important. As i dont know if this is just developers trick, or what else it could be?
Before starting my German TD career, i took a GOOD LONG LOOK on guns of all nations tier 9 TD, because leveling in this game takes AGES and loads of grind.. Gun is what makes TD in my book. I have made my pick to be JgdTiger (tier IX German TD) because it had all what i wanted:

- best precision (compared to rest tier 9 TD)
- best rate of fire (compared to rest tier 9 TD)

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tier 9 TD guns Russian vs German! -->

Rate of Fire (rounds/min) 3.51 vs 5.26

Average Penetration (mm) 286 vs 276

Average Damage 750 vs 540

Accuracy at 100 m (m) 0.39 vs 0.33

Aiming Time (sec) 2.9 vs 2.3

Summary: Far greater spike damage and penetration of Russian gun is compensated by greater accuracy, aim time and rate of fire of German gun!

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tier 10 TD guns Russian vs German! -->

Rate of Fire (rounds/min) 3.53 vs 2.33

Average Penetration (mm) 303 vs 299

Average Damage 850 vs 1050

Accuracy at 100 m (m) 0.33 vs 0.35

Aiming Time (sec) 2.7 vs 2.9

:: Summary: Developers mixed and matched numbers by random, somehow giving Russian guns the best statistics in all fields except damage effectively rendering German guns much worse.

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:: Final summation: German tier 10 becomes what Russian tier 9 was, and Russian tier 10 becomes what German tier 9 was. They are now effectively reversed! Russians excelled at spike damage, while Germans had precision. Now it's exact opposite.

? Question to developers: Is this just a trick for us to pay more premium, to start out a whole new career as russian TD because now russians gun has what Germans gun used to be? Because it looks like that to me. I don't even have reason to go for tier 10 German TD because i see shiny Russian TD gun which even has better penetration then mine! (note that it was not the case with tier 9 as higher rate of fire and precision of germans had lower penetration, now it's on russian side)

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TL, DR
Fix this.
Put Russian gun on German, and vise versa.
Edited by iivanGroznii, 15 August 2012 - 12:02 PM.

 iivanGroznii, on 14 August 2012 - 04:08 AM, said:

Yeah but so many whined about the low alpha damage of Jagdtiger and they got their wish fulfilled now with biggest alpha (in German side) and can now do 1050 average damage. Not to mention that JPzE-100 will be killed after a moment its spotted if there is any arty on battlefield or just shot to death. So i think it was mainly the more in-experienced players who wanted the big alpha for German TD line...i did not see more experienced players whine about the Jagdtiger and its great gun.

So many people always talked about the Object 704 being too inaccurate from 200m+ that every 3rd shot could go somewhere entirely else, like into tracks for 0 damage hit or into heavily armored part like turret etc.People did not whine about this though, it was an obvioud drawback of big alpha & penetration & low profile & good camo.. Now those who liked Object 704s long distance bush sniping play style got dissapointed because of the completely different play style of Object 268 which resembled more that of the JagdTigers & Ferdis play styles, (medium range brawler and support with capability to fire from long distance but poorly from long ranges on moving targets due to bad horizontal gun traverse on 268 which leads to constant moving of the chassis and re-aiming that drops the DPM significantly)

Now in the both camps some TD veterans are dissapointed due to fact that not only stats and sizes matter, but the play styles you will be forced to play with each TD mostly...those who expected continuation of Object 704 got dissapointed and same goes for those who looked for continuation of the JagdTiger...anyway the whole tier 10 thing idea is kinda too much in my opinion, all of them new TDs could have their average damage lowered by 50 and AMX155foch could have 750 average damage instead of 850 due to unfair capability (if the drum would be removed then not), if they start buffing or especially nerfing single TD at a time that will not work without huge outcry from players though.

t 95 players will probably feel similar, though they got nice gun and more mobility, tier X seems a change from the playstyle of tier 8 and 9.

 iivanGroznii, on 14 August 2012 - 04:08 AM, said:

For about one year German TD's players demanded Jpz E100 with 170 mm gun. Gun with such huge damage must be somehow balanced, so it had to lost some of "German specialities".

Also X tiers are not finally balanced, tanks just after release are never finally balanced, because it is impossible to do on public server due to some his peculiarities. There will be for sure some buffs and nerfs for X tiers in one of future patches. Devs already agreed that JPz E100 is underperforming.

I had Jagdtiger and on 7.5 test server i resarched jgpze100 it has great damage but it only shoots 2 timeas a minute. When you miss your shot you must wait to long to reload.I think damidge isnt that bigger than on other tds 1100 vs 850, 250 difference.
And traverse speed is very slow russian object268 has traverse speed 30 deg/s this has 18 deg/s. Jgpze100 is slow tank easy to outflank unlike russian. Armor is good but not the  best and russian td has less armor.
I think jgpze100 is only good for clanwars where it is guarded by other tanks. i starded grinding Object268.
Edited by tomicelj, 14 August 2012 - 07:52 AM.

 Injector_X, on 14 August 2012 - 05:41 AM, said:

You hit the point right here. This is what i was trying to say. Why did they switched the play styles? I wanted continuation of JagdTiger of course (and many other true German TD players), and not to switch style to russian.

Especially because german TD's got NO cammo, nor mobility, and the likness of hitting tracks for 0 damage and then waiting for half a minute to reload is too high, and totally turns me off from German TD line now.
I will wait for other tier 10 to be released (hopefully continuation of JagdTiger's amazing gun).