VK3601H - why is this (stats)
Homer_J
15 Aug 2012
BlackPawLynx, on 15 August 2012 - 06:00 AM, said:
HE HAS 56% winrate, while I have 45-44% - and then look at dmg, exp, and tanks destroyed etc etc- basically I have efficiency of 1400+ and still get a 45% winrate whY?
With only around 100 battles your stats are easily influenced by a run of good or bad luck. That's all.
Kryna
15 Aug 2012
Mby companies? With med tank he is not supposed to do good stats, mostly just spotting. VI tier companies are not a big challenge.
Edited by Kryna, 15 August 2012 - 09:38 PM.
Edited by Kryna, 15 August 2012 - 09:38 PM.
Piotrburz
15 Aug 2012
anton1616, on 15 August 2012 - 02:02 PM, said:
I have 917 battles in my VK 3601, with 575 victories (62%). You can look to my profile. I can post a screenshot later, when I will reach to my computer.
- Never played in companies or in platoon with this tank
- In one battle, I killed 9 and hit another 2. Lots of times when I hit/killed 10 tanks out of 15.
- I have almost 2 kills per battle.
- I have tons of Confederate and Top Gun medals with it.
- I have won twice over 3000 experience (normal one, not double), and several times over 2500k.
- I don't remember my average experience, but it's close to my exp on Tier IX-X tanks.
My secret? Conical gun with gold ammo. It makes wonders, and it's a pleasure to play with, even it has low damage.
- Never played in companies or in platoon with this tank
- In one battle, I killed 9 and hit another 2. Lots of times when I hit/killed 10 tanks out of 15.
- I have almost 2 kills per battle.
- I have tons of Confederate and Top Gun medals with it.
- I have won twice over 3000 experience (normal one, not double), and several times over 2500k.
- I don't remember my average experience, but it's close to my exp on Tier IX-X tanks.
My secret? Conical gun with gold ammo. It makes wonders, and it's a pleasure to play with, even it has low damage.
Just, just...go away
Phooca
16 Aug 2012
anton1616, on 15 August 2012 - 02:02 PM, said:
I have 917 battles in my VK 3601, with 575 victories (62%). You can look to my profile. I can post a screenshot later, when I will reach to my computer.
- Never played in companies or in platoon with this tank
- In one battle, I killed 9 and hit another 2. Lots of times when I hit/killed 10 tanks out of 15.
- I have almost 2 kills per battle.
- I have tons of Confederate and Top Gun medals with it.
- I have won twice over 3000 experience (normal one, not double), and several times over 2500k.
- I don't remember my average experience, but it's close to my exp on Tier IX-X tanks.
My secret? Conical gun with gold ammo. It makes wonders, and it's a pleasure to play with, even it has low damage.
- Never played in companies or in platoon with this tank
- In one battle, I killed 9 and hit another 2. Lots of times when I hit/killed 10 tanks out of 15.
- I have almost 2 kills per battle.
- I have tons of Confederate and Top Gun medals with it.
- I have won twice over 3000 experience (normal one, not double), and several times over 2500k.
- I don't remember my average experience, but it's close to my exp on Tier IX-X tanks.
My secret? Conical gun with gold ammo. It makes wonders, and it's a pleasure to play with, even it has low damage.
I love the way every other tank you have has a sub 50 % win rate , not a single tank tier 7 up even breaks 50% , easly shows gold ammo is Pay 2 Win
Leopard2A5
16 Aug 2012
Phooca, on 16 August 2012 - 08:22 AM, said:
I love the way every other tank you have has a sub 50 % win rate , not a single tank tier 7 up even breaks 50% , easly shows gold ammo is Pay 2 Win
I would be impressed IF you wouldnt have used Goldammo. With Goldammo you can do this in nearly every tank,if he has the armor to bounce some shots,for example: KV4,KV3,Jumbo sherman,IS3,B1 etc etc
Dont dont even want to imagine what i could do with Goldammo in my T29
Edit: Uh sorry wrong qoute, i meant anton1616
Edited by Leopard2A5, 16 August 2012 - 08:40 AM.
Nectaria
16 Aug 2012
anton1616, on 15 August 2012 - 02:02 PM, said:
I have 917 battles in my VK 3601, with 575 victories (62%). You can look to my profile. I can post a screenshot later, when I will reach to my computer.
- Never played in companies or in platoon with this tank
- In one battle, I killed 9 and hit another 2. Lots of times when I hit/killed 10 tanks out of 15.
- I have almost 2 kills per battle.
- I have tons of Confederate and Top Gun medals with it.
- I have won twice over 3000 experience (normal one, not double), and several times over 2500k.
- I don't remember my average experience, but it's close to my exp on Tier IX-X tanks.
My secret? Conical gun with gold ammo. It makes wonders, and it's a pleasure to play with, even it has low damage.
- Never played in companies or in platoon with this tank
- In one battle, I killed 9 and hit another 2. Lots of times when I hit/killed 10 tanks out of 15.
- I have almost 2 kills per battle.
- I have tons of Confederate and Top Gun medals with it.
- I have won twice over 3000 experience (normal one, not double), and several times over 2500k.
- I don't remember my average experience, but it's close to my exp on Tier IX-X tanks.
My secret? Conical gun with gold ammo. It makes wonders, and it's a pleasure to play with, even it has low damage.
They should give you a medal...
bitter_fremlin
16 Aug 2012
BlackPawLynx, on 15 August 2012 - 11:16 AM, said:
What leads to victory (if not damage, not spotting, not base capturing/defending) ?
The point is that they all help lead to victory, if done at the right time, in the right place, and to the right enemies. And it helps if the rest of your team is doing the same... But they aren't always worth the same, and ER doesn't reflect that "situational value" -- squeezing into the cap for 10 points just in time to help your team win a cap race is valued the same as 10 cap points earnt when your team is 14-1 up, and there's no difference between taking the last 10% from the last villain in a 15-14 win to doing the same in a 15-6 one.
So while the other guy is doing "less" than you it seems as though (always bearing in mind that this is a very small sample size) he is doing more things "right". But "right" when it comes to WR includes platooning and fighting with a good Company as well as things like tracking high-tier opponents for allies to easily take down instead of avoiding them and gunning for same- and lower-tier targets (not saying you do that, but you can see how it would effect someone's stats).
But don't worry yet -- play another 100 games in the VK to help even out variance and reduce the effects of stock tank syndrome, and see how your stats look then.
H_A_A_K_O_N
17 Aug 2012
Lilleman, on 15 August 2012 - 07:19 AM, said:
- Last… and this can hurt some… but even if your efficiency is great… are you doing the right thing? Do you go back to base when needed? Do you change flank and delay when needed? Do you do all that dirty non rewarding stuff that someone has to do to win the match but not give you any kills or fame? Many times here on the forum some top dog complains that his team was idiots and he had six kills but they lost anyway. And many times the reason is that the Topdog been busy killing easy targets instead of hold off the enemy main force.
This! I know 2 other have said the same, but that is the answer.
If you play for win then you often has to do stuff that is not rewarding. Suicide missions, look at minimap where you are needed and go there, ignore easy targets (<10%) and go for the bigger if situation yells for that etc..etc...
And you have to play a lot of matches before the stats settles. Mine still changes after 5000 battles. I recommend register to sites like planetwot.com if you like stats.
Edited by H_A_A_K_O_N, 17 August 2012 - 09:48 AM.
Dan_Abnormal
20 Aug 2012
Phooca, on 16 August 2012 - 08:22 AM, said:
easly shows gold ammo is Pay 2 Win
Even worse, the Konisch is an exception because it's the only gun where gold ammo gets a damage increase as well as penetration. I don't think he would have the same success spamming gold ammo in any other tier 6.
If anything his performance with the 3601/Konisch/gold is bad
Oh yeah, as to the OP: the other guy probably plays companies or platoons with better players, don't worry about it.
Tall_Toot
20 Aug 2012
Just started with the VK3601H - 15 wins from 18 games - I'll save you the effort of looking it up, I'm not that good by a loooooooong way! Just the luck of the draw mate, it'll even its self out I'm sure
Can't wait for MM to start to even me out for that start.......
Can't wait for MM to start to even me out for that start.......
conductiv
23 Aug 2012
most of my "often" (200+ battles) played tanks have a WR around 57%. however, my WR is affected by runs of good and bad luck as much as any other player.
my E-50M is particulairy unfriendly to me. I deal close to 2K average damage per match on it, this should be enough for average scores in general (WR close to 49%, in order to get 55%+ the DPB should rise to about 3K or more for me as I rely on winning by terminating the enemy in general). however I have a dispicable WR on it of 43-44% the tank is unlocked elited, so I don't have stock tank syndrome to hide behind. 145 or so games, when I had 10 games I started on a 20 game losing streak, and I stubbornly kept playing (and I'm a person that often gives the advice to quit for 15 minutes or so after a losing streak of 3..so basicly I was digging my own "WR grave" this is where my own stupidity and frustration lost me many games). I thought I'd easely make up for it later on, as most of my medium tanks have above average WR's. forget it..20 losses is hard to make up for. I guess I'll be close to 400-500 games on it before it gets close to my average WR
my recently aquired M4 sherman used free exp to unlock the tracks and howitzer and started playing it. I lost many games in it..but I can't say I didn't play well or the tank was gimped by lack of upgrades. dispite dealing close to 150% of my HP damage per match getting a crapload of kills and valiant capping and defending attempts I still lost. but unlike my E-50M it wasn't a streak..it was more like win, loss, win, loss, loss, win, loss, win..etc. currently at 48% WR and 68 games.
personally I'm reasonably happy with the combat stats on both tanks, the WR however could be better. maybe lady fortune will throw a couple more matches my way where I can turn the battle from a loss to a win. instead of landslide games that turn out 1-15 or 15-1.
my E-50M is particulairy unfriendly to me. I deal close to 2K average damage per match on it, this should be enough for average scores in general (WR close to 49%, in order to get 55%+ the DPB should rise to about 3K or more for me as I rely on winning by terminating the enemy in general). however I have a dispicable WR on it of 43-44% the tank is unlocked elited, so I don't have stock tank syndrome to hide behind. 145 or so games, when I had 10 games I started on a 20 game losing streak, and I stubbornly kept playing (and I'm a person that often gives the advice to quit for 15 minutes or so after a losing streak of 3..so basicly I was digging my own "WR grave" this is where my own stupidity and frustration lost me many games). I thought I'd easely make up for it later on, as most of my medium tanks have above average WR's. forget it..20 losses is hard to make up for. I guess I'll be close to 400-500 games on it before it gets close to my average WR
my recently aquired M4 sherman used free exp to unlock the tracks and howitzer and started playing it. I lost many games in it..but I can't say I didn't play well or the tank was gimped by lack of upgrades. dispite dealing close to 150% of my HP damage per match getting a crapload of kills and valiant capping and defending attempts I still lost. but unlike my E-50M it wasn't a streak..it was more like win, loss, win, loss, loss, win, loss, win..etc. currently at 48% WR and 68 games.
personally I'm reasonably happy with the combat stats on both tanks, the WR however could be better. maybe lady fortune will throw a couple more matches my way where I can turn the battle from a loss to a win. instead of landslide games that turn out 1-15 or 15-1.
Chesnut
23 Aug 2012
Let us be honest, win ratio is a combination of luck (team) and skill (you). Skill counts a bit less, but it's still important. Playing in a platoon also helps your win ratio, when you really want to improve it (assuming your fellow platoon members know how to play). But yeah, bottom line is that random battles are random and you never know what team you're gonna get.
Edited by Chesnut, 23 August 2012 - 07:16 AM.
Edited by Chesnut, 23 August 2012 - 07:16 AM.
LMW
23 Aug 2012
Very much luck as it comes to win-loss ratio, I'd say.
As pointed out, we play in hastily threwn together teams; sometimes where only one side has a platoon or they have more platoons than your side - and then you are definitely the underdog.
Also, there are times when when it is simply impossible to win, despite how many tanks you shoot off. I had this expereince last weekend, when there was the x3 XP bonus. Irrespective of if I blew 0 or 6 enemy tanks to Kingdom Come, my entire team was wiped out within no more than 4 minutes, match after match. On one day I played some 39 games of which 36 were such losses - irrespective of what I did or how much of a newbie I still am.
The next day was not much better, my general wr stats went down significantly over the weekend due to this phenomena which I really could not explain at that time. Now, after some thought, I guess (underscore..) that it depends on the x3 XP bonus... A lot of players were out there, many were just rushing through as many games as possible with as many tanks as possible to take advantage of that x3 bonus and did not care much to make a serious effort to play with their minds switched on; they just hoped for luck and a win - and if they did not, they just logged out and went out with another tank.
Now, after the weekend, "normal" win/loss rate seems to have returned...
As pointed out, we play in hastily threwn together teams; sometimes where only one side has a platoon or they have more platoons than your side - and then you are definitely the underdog.
Also, there are times when when it is simply impossible to win, despite how many tanks you shoot off. I had this expereince last weekend, when there was the x3 XP bonus. Irrespective of if I blew 0 or 6 enemy tanks to Kingdom Come, my entire team was wiped out within no more than 4 minutes, match after match. On one day I played some 39 games of which 36 were such losses - irrespective of what I did or how much of a newbie I still am.
The next day was not much better, my general wr stats went down significantly over the weekend due to this phenomena which I really could not explain at that time. Now, after some thought, I guess (underscore..) that it depends on the x3 XP bonus... A lot of players were out there, many were just rushing through as many games as possible with as many tanks as possible to take advantage of that x3 bonus and did not care much to make a serious effort to play with their minds switched on; they just hoped for luck and a win - and if they did not, they just logged out and went out with another tank.
Now, after the weekend, "normal" win/loss rate seems to have returned...
