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I'm sorry, but thats just ludicrous! SInce that horrible 7.5 patch HE crit chance is too high!

Its just unacceptable for just one shot to damage 3 vital modules and 3 crewmembers, thats just crazy!

It needs a huge nerf to crit chance, this is a joke!

In real life tanks weren't even affected by artilerry fire, even if the hit was direct, a tiger would normally just shake a bit inside, a crew member might hit his head somewhere, but thats it! Getting 5-6 cirical hits from just one shot is just game ending and renders you useless.
Edited by Kazomir, 21 August 2012 - 12:07 PM.

Kazomir, on 21 August 2012 - 12:07 PM, said:

Joking right!?

Hohohoho! The sarcasm is strong with this one!

VyperPunk, on 21 August 2012 - 12:12 PM, said:

No.
Achtung Panzer:

Seriosly? I remember reading, that when ISU (it was considered a SPG) fired its 155mm howitzer with HE (could shoot over 13km !!) and hit between 2 panthers standing 2 meterrs apart, it destroyed their tracks and made them stand 4 meters apart
russians were even curuious, why the crew didn´t come out right away, and well it turned out they were ALL DEAD...

So damage to modules of the HE´s is ridiculous, but crew i find realistic...

Kazomir, on 21 August 2012 - 12:14 PM, said:

It probably got hit by grille

I wonder upon what you base you opinion that artilery fire wouldn't harm a Tiger. Actually it's quite opposite. Look at the SU-152 and ISU-152. Both used HE ammo to destroy tanks and all it needed was one shot. Even though that shell didn't penetrate and tank looked unharmed the crew was dead and the vehicle incapacitated. The amount of tension in the steel, debris, pressure wave etc. destroyed everything in the tank.

Artilery shell hitting Tiger directly definitely made it a piece of scrap metal. The same was for planes? What do you think they used for destroying tanks? Nothing else than 250 pdr. HE bombs.

Or what do you think Brits used as one of their primar anti-tank round? They used HESH which is technically a HE round.

You can't be more wrong. Actually HE rounds are quite weak in the game.

majogl, on 21 August 2012 - 12:16 PM, said:

Because friendly fire is something normal in war, right?

Actually, the Volksturm destroyed one of their own Jagdtigers with Panzerfausts cause they didn't know what the shit this monstrocity is.

Kazomir, on 21 August 2012 - 12:07 PM, said:

I bet the commander who hit you is complaining in another thread about a 0hp hit or ranting about the unreliable HE damage.

You never played 0.7.4 right? The patch that made HE criticals ridiculous. They turned it back in 0.7.5.

Kazomir, on 21 August 2012 - 12:07 PM, said:

Chieftain posted this a while back in US fora: http://sill-www.army..._PAGES_8_11.pdf

Anyway, the solution to your troubles is to hate arty even further, to go and take the battle to them and make them pay their repair costs.

The greatest joy in WoT has always been to crush artillery, to see them driven before you and to hear the lamentations of their players. Every new patch is a good opportunity and excuse to embrace that joy with even greater vigour.

majogl, on 21 August 2012 - 12:15 PM, said:

Source?

Nekomancer, on 21 August 2012 - 12:22 PM, said:

Guess I got lucky that HE damage got toned down

Gigaton, on 21 August 2012 - 12:23 PM, said:

Sweetest feeling in this game.

loituma, on 21 August 2012 - 12:30 PM, said:

I didn't screen it, but a JgPz II hit on my churchill took out my commander, reloader, driver, damaged my ammo rack, turret, and destroyed my engine.


Oh, the feeling when you get the arty but he turns in a direct fire mode and eats you...happens sometimes.
Edited by Kazomir, 21 August 2012 - 12:34 PM.

TwilightSparkle, on 21 August 2012 - 12:27 PM, said:

I got an old book at home about tanks, but it probably wouldn´t help you it´s in russian...

majogl, on 21 August 2012 - 12:35 PM, said:

Google translate doesn't hurt, and even though I don't understand a lot in russian I can still read it. So post us a scan.

You say, that artillery shell couldn't destroy a tank? Well, in case of direct hit, it most likely did. Tiger's top armor is 25mm.

you want realism ? so you say arty realy knocks tanks crews to death ?

ok you have it, so give me the one shot - shred the crew - kills like in real as well. a tiger killed a sherman tank with a single shot.

its no longer funny to listen to you idiots talking about realism/playability whenever you want it your way.

he damage is way to high and crits are far to many, the op is completely right and you suckers know that.

majogl, on 21 August 2012 - 12:35 PM, said:

Yes, SU-152 shell weight around 50 kilos. And most of that weight were explosives.

majogl, on 21 August 2012 - 12:15 PM, said:

Something simmilar is on English wiki (I know, wikipedia ) page of ISU-152 that a single HE shot from this thing was able to tear off Tiger's turret or heavily damage the crew and equipment through spalling.