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no this is not a trolling thread
anyways is it me or there's a lots of arty today
just wanted to confirm that
cause 95% of my matches +3 arty anyone else getting that ?

every day should be arty day

Hmmm...
i don't know about today, but yesterday I've had 10+ matches without any artillery, even a pure tank one (not even TDs), IIRC. I guess, the MM has to go what it has at hand at the moment.

I think 2-3 arty per match is fine. I would go with 2, but otherwise. (Btw, I like to drive my Grille too.)

Yeah I want the day where all arties 4-6 tier have double income, the arty party weekend!!!

 RogYam, on 21 August 2012 - 12:28 PM, said:

yesterday i kept having 1-2 battles without any artillery, then 2-3 battles with 10+ artilleries total.

I like when there is arty... I like scouting behind enemy lines and shooting on it !

Sorry...

I wrote that in a post last week in a similar "too much arty" discussion.
I´ll keep posting it whenever I believe it appropiate.....
here we go:
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that got me thinking. I don´t believe WG can come up with a simple solution to this problem and the only thing we (the players) could do, would be to limit ourselves.
let me explain myself:
First thing, one to three arties per side is usually acceptable, right? If you look at a certain player (me) and build a imaginary 15 tank team out of his stats, how much arty do you see?
Now let´s see what kind of arty"impact" I have on the game myself.
In my garage I have three arties and 12 tanks, so that feels about right.
And I usually play arty less than every 5th game, which also means that my tank to arty ratio is fine. (867 arty games out of 7025 that is 12.3% arty game, that would mean less than two arties in a 15 tank team)
But let´s look at the higher tiers only.
I have only one tier 6 arty which I can weigh against my tier 8 tanks (roughly same MM). And now the surprise: it is  602 to 221 - that would mean more than 5 artys per team. Even counting my tier 10 and 9 + my scouts you still get 1372 to 221 - that would be 2 and a half arty per team - way above the value for all my games.
To me it seems that the arty MM at higher tiers collides with the high grinding cost of tier 6 to 8 arties.
So if you are grinding two nations arty at tier 6 and up, there is almost no way to compensate your percentage of arty game by playing "normal" tanks. And remember the tank games for farming Credits are almost never on arties and often on lower tiers (maximum tier 8). "Grinding" implies of course that you will sometimes be playing a few arty games in a row and so will other players. Eventually there will always be a moment at which the MM gets too many arties for higher tier Battles.
Solutions? Only thing I can come up would be to let the arty wait in MM, no matter how long... that would solve the problem, but it would suck if you are playing arty.

Now I already read that WG will eventually expand (fill up) the arty trees up to tier 10 (tier 8 becomes tier 10 and we get some new arties in the middle). That should spread the high tier concentration and could solve the problem, but it could still be some time in the future....
Actually I will now feel guilty playing my GW Panther... but who likes limiting himself?
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Thx for your time
Edited by GravewaIker, 21 August 2012 - 01:19 PM.

 Ruyzan, on 21 August 2012 - 12:16 PM, said:

You know, i am sick of ppl complaining about arty.
I had a game today with 7 tds, yes SEVEN, and all of them was tier 8+... You think I had fun in my heavy tank?? You think I cared about arty at that point? What about that?

In the end, did i whined about it? No i didn't, and i won't. It's a god da*n war game, you can't tell your enemy what to send to you and what not. Adapt or die already ffs...

ps: no hard feelings :D

 AN225, on 21 August 2012 - 01:49 PM, said:

amen brother.

haha i am not whining just discussing yes
td can make a mess but at least you can kill it if not
you can see whose shooting at you you and have a chance to deal damage
and you know you did something to benefit your team

and if your killed its cause his a good at playing as a TD
with that been said you just accept it normally
but in arty even a brainless monkey can do it and
he can shoot all he wants
cause no one will stop him if there's no scouts left
ts just get on your Nerf knowing you can do much more
if that shell didn't hit you or messed up your crew that's the issue i am discussing
i am not saying arty is op or it should be removed or anything of that sort please read carefully next time .
Edited by Ruyzan, 21 August 2012 - 03:26 PM.

It's kind of surprising. Whenever I take my Object 261, sure as hell I'll be in a game with 5-7 SPGs each side, but with my JPz E-100 I've yet to meet more than 3 SPGs per team (not that I'm complaining.. but still weird).

 Prohibition, on 21 August 2012 - 12:21 PM, said:

Every day IS arty day

Arty day? Vk28, all sperm all over my trousers.

I do fear some skilled scouts + arty much more than "just" many arties.

 Ruyzan, on 21 August 2012 - 03:24 PM, said:

td can make a mess same as arty can, same as few meds can, even that few light tanks can... Everything that have huge numbers can make a mess.
So why no one comes here to discuss that? Because as you said they "can" be killed...

You only notice 3+ arty cause you can't do anything about it and they keep shooting you.
Well guess what, who said you cant kill arty? Yes you can, just ask your arty to counter them... They don't need scouts for that...
But most ppl play this as single player, rush somewhere, die, and than say: "Some brainless monkey killed me from god knows where, what a shit game"

Arty primary job is to counter, if u are getting killed and hammered by enemy arty, that means that YOUR arty is not doing a good job.
Same as weak tanks are getting killed if heavy's didn't do their job...

Welcome to multiplayer games where each man on a map have it's own role he does not understand...

Best regards
over and out

yes i know arty can be countered but
what if your team don't care about that what to do then hmm ?

 AN225, on 21 August 2012 - 01:49 PM, said:

At first, this is a GAME. A game in which 2 teams fight for the victory. And such games need a certain balance. If that isn't given (too much arty/TDs/birds, tierspread toobig, etc.pp.), one should feel free to criticise that.

But I agree with one point: There is no need to flood the forums with contentless threads like this.

Right, so now that we are done with whining about summer holidays, we can go back to whining about arties =D

I am gonna join actually. I think they should all be removed or have a random chance to blow themselves up when shooting.

 Ruyzan, on 21 August 2012 - 05:31 PM, said:

As i said, this is a multiplayer game, you got 15 brains there, if your team does not want to counter, problem is in players, not in arty as a tank it self. It's the same thing when scouts are camping, afk idiots, or farm bots...

 Jigabachi, on 21 August 2012 - 05:38 PM, said:

Arty in all is balanced (considering only numbers per team, not dmg or whatever) you cant have 5 arty in one team and none in other. Only 1 more or less. What is not balanced are tds. There are more and more games with 6+ tds on one side and barely 2 on other. Even meds appear that way. But no one ever mentioned about that, it's only arty that is fault. Narrow way of looking, even smaller than s51 arc...

 FoeHamster419, on 21 August 2012 - 05:39 PM, said:

I think tds are to be removed, i dont wanna se my is8 teared up to pieces by e100 thing obj268 combo. Althou even ms1 can tear that thing down, but that's not the point :D
And by the way, every cannon have a random chance to blow up, dmg from last shot, bad shell surface, and milion other things, rarely happens thou

Oh and yes, i redraw that "over and out" part ;)
Edited by AN225, 21 August 2012 - 07:46 PM.