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Sekeletu #21 Posted 29 August 2012 - 11:58 AM

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But it accelerates faster and is very agile (it actually can turn, unlike VK28) :P Plus the gun is pure awesome :D

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Worth it

Tazilon #23 Posted 30 August 2012 - 08:02 AM

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View PostSekeletu, on 29 August 2012 - 11:58 AM, said:

But it accelerates faster and is very agile (it actually can turn, unlike VK28) :P Plus the gun is pure awesome :D


The top end speed limits what the Chaffee can do at the start of many games.  The Cougar CAN turn; just not as well as some of the other Scouts.  As for the gun, the Chaffee has more alpha on paper, but in the field, the 105 rules.

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One nice thing on the VK2801 i really like, it can be a very nice ambush tank.

Works really nice when playing in Platoon with another VK2801.Wait until enemy has passed your location or shows his side (just stay calm don't shoot, no need to waste a shoot up front), then both tanks shoot a HE volley with the 105 right into the enemies back/side.

This gives you an initial damage of 600-700 if you and your platoon colleageu shots penetrate and usually track the enemy tank and kill some modules. Depending on how many other enemy tanks are around you can try then usually a second volley which gives another 600-700 damage ( within ~7seconds ) and then fall back.

And the best thing are the comments of the volks you hit, they really love you. :Smile_veryhappy:

Of course you need to know on which tank you can do this (not on the real big boys) and in what part of the game, usually after the first few minutes, but works outstanding even on Tier IX / X Meds like the T62-A, Patton and all the Frenchies. Just go for the side and the back of the tanks, everything else is just a waste of ammo.

And as with all these Tier V Scouts you will also face some unhappy moments, like when you one shotted with full speed by a Tier X Tank destroyer.

So my point: VK2801 can be a real fun to play tank (like all TierV lights) but will also give sometimes some real grief. I would (again) anytime spend the XP on it.

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Worth, totally! Troll Gun is just nice. I love this tank.

more deff + more pene + more acceleration and it would be best X tier with win rate sth like... 90? :D
This is just so nice tank... Maybe it can't be rambo like t-50-2 but in good hands it is MUCH better.

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Wartruck #26 Posted 02 September 2012 - 11:16 PM

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I'm raising my Leopard to eventually buy a VK but now I'm getting discouraged.
I've read T-50-2 is more agile and a better scout than the VK but I don't understand how:
VK has 48 traverse vs 46 of T-50-2 and a more powerful engine (650 vs 550, fully upgraded), how can T-50-2 be more agile? Are there hidden stats affecting agility and maneuver that are not shown?
VK also has a better view range. How can T-50-2 be a better scout and be faster? Why?

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Tazilon #27 Posted 03 September 2012 - 04:20 AM

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View PostWartruck, on 02 September 2012 - 11:16 PM, said:

I'm raising my Leopard to eventually buy a VK but now I'm getting discouraged.
I've read T-50-2 is more agile and a better scout than the VK but I don't understand how:
VK has 48 traverse vs 46 of T-50-2 and a more powerful engine (650 vs 550, fully upgraded), how can T-50-2 be more agile? Are there hidden stats affecting agility and maneuver that are not shown?
VK also has a better view range. How can T-50-2 be a better scout and be faster? Why?

The Cougar has a stated traverse rate of 48 degrees per second and it turns at that rate.  The T-50-2 has a stated rate of 46 but turns at 55 degrees per second.   It is also much lighter so despite having less horsepower it accelerates faster.  Doesn't matter, the Cougar is more versatile overall.

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View PostWartruck, on 02 September 2012 - 11:16 PM, said:

I'm raising my Leopard to eventually buy a VK but now I'm getting discouraged.
I've read T-50-2 is more agile and a better scout than the VK but I don't understand how:
VK has 48 traverse vs 46 of T-50-2 and a more powerful engine (650 vs 550, fully upgraded), how can T-50-2 be more agile? Are there hidden stats affecting agility and maneuver that are not shown?
VK also has a better view range. How can T-50-2 be a better scout and be faster? Why?


Dont be discouraged, the tank is more fun than the T50-2, and even if it's more hard to handdle and master, the final results will be better.


Read the scouting guide of Taz, you will see there are many more than suicide scouting. And Cougar, as some of us call VK, master many of those others scouting. The gun allow you to fire from far away to those cripple heavies and meds, and kill them. You have a nice random ammorack frags here and there.


But dont worry, if you like to try T50, just buy it too!! All you can do with T50-2, T50 will show you in a better and easier MM. And T50 nets you 10-20k creds in prem in an average game. T50-2 will loose money in a bad game. To see what scout suits you better, try T50 also, is the same as T50-2 more or less. To see VK....you must have it, Leo is not close to show you anything about Cougar.

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View Poststagediver, on 27 August 2012 - 10:13 AM, said:

short answer: nope :Smile_blinky:

I dissagree.

I have had the VK2801 for a fair amount of time and its a great little machine. If your crew are good, they scan use the tanks speed to scout (bearing in mind it has the slowest acceleration). Alturnatively, you can use its 75mm gun to brawl with the big boys. its capable of damaging the T110E4, T-44, M48 and all arty guns.
If you are looking for a fun, plucky little machine, the VK is the best choice

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View PostBravo_two_six, on 03 September 2012 - 06:14 PM, said:

I dissagree.

I have had the VK2801 for a fair amount of time and its a great little machine. If your crew are good, they scan use the tanks speed to scout (bearing in mind it has the slowest acceleration). Alturnatively, you can use its 75mm gun to brawl with the big boys. its capable of damaging the T110E4, T-44, M48 and all arty guns.
If you are looking for a fun, plucky little machine, the VK is the best choice

But equip the 105...

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I have all 3 scouts for me the chaff is by far the most fun ,,,,The T50-2 is fun as  is the Vk ....but the chaff is the daddy of tier 5 scouts ,,,Its by far the most all round scout..but there all worth a space in garage!!!

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Not worth it, go for Chaffee or just get T50 (pure joy) and then T50-2.
I have decent results with Vk2801, but I don't really like this tank and  probably never will.

Edited by Loofah, 03 September 2012 - 07:30 PM.


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View PostTazilon, on 03 September 2012 - 06:31 PM, said:

But equip the 105...

Not really much point i think, i found that the 105 damages more, but penetrates less. so its good for the arty, but nothing else and seeing i rarely get close to the arty i prefer to brawl with the heavies and mediums
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View PostBravo_two_six, on 03 September 2012 - 11:24 PM, said:

Not really much point i think, i found that the 105 damages more, but penetrates less. so its good for the arty, but nothing else and seeing i rarely get close to the arty i prefer to brawl with the heavies and mediums
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OMG, who cares about penetrating. 105mm is a HE-gun. You fire HE shells, and they deal damage much more reliably than 75mm gun which is a poor man's version of Zis-4.

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View PostBravo_two_six, on 03 September 2012 - 11:24 PM, said:

Not really much point i think, i found that the 105 damages more, but penetrates less. so its good for the arty, but nothing else and seeing i rarely get close to the arty i prefer to brawl with the heavies and mediums
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OK, let me say this again, so we can particular objection to rest...

I have over 14,000 kills in my Cougar.  Of those, 55.6% are NOT TDs or Arty.  If I ran the numbers just excluding Arty, it would probably be in the 70% range.  Obviously, the 105mm IS good for killing more than Arty.  As loofah said, with HE you do not need Pen to create damage.  The 105 gives you another advantage over the 75 you may not even be considering:  using HE gives you many more crit hits.  Causing module and crew damage can give your team a huge advantage in a fight.

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View PostErwin0859, on 27 August 2012 - 10:23 AM, said:

VK 2801 don't turn very fast on the move, you take 10sec to be at 72km/h on plain....
VK 2801 is more a passive scout, but the derp gun with AP is really awesome, any arty is dead in 1 to 3 well-placed shots.

You are playing it completely wrong!

This is IMO best scout in game, but you have to be always on the move and you can see in this replay some t-50-2 pwning, so not a big problem ;)

http://mwreplays.com/replayimg/e69ae4d112213db72ea096d09712b6bb.png

Edited by vlasterx, 05 September 2012 - 08:57 AM.


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View Postvlasterx, on 05 September 2012 - 08:53 AM, said:

You are playing it completely wrong!

This is IMO best scout in game, but you have to be always on the move and you can see in this replay some t-50-2 pwning, so not a big problem ;)

http://mwreplays.com/replayimg/e69ae4d112213db72ea096d09712b6bb.png

It tears T-50-2s and t-50s to pieces and will beat most Chaffees unless the Chaffee gets in some crit hits before the Cougar does.  The Chaffee is a good tank but loses the "best overall" because its top end speed is so low it can't do everyting Scouts should be able to do at the start of the game.  In the middle and end games, it is quite capable.

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View PostTazilon, on 05 September 2012 - 11:39 PM, said:

It tears T-50-2s and t-50s to pieces and will beat most Chaffees unless the Chaffee gets in some crit hits before the Cougar does.  The Chaffee is a good tank but loses the "best overall" because its top end speed is so low it can't do everyting Scouts should be able to do at the start of the game.  In the middle and end games, it is quite capable.

T50-2 beats Fatass easily  thanks to superior accuracy on the move, better gun and mobility. If duel takes place in the open, both tanks have to move to avoid hits by arty. In such case T50-2 can zig-zagg. 105mm shells fly so slow that the lead you have to take is so big each time T50-2 turns that its almost impossible to hit him, while he can shoot back with very fast Zis-4 shells. Also, Fatass will hit that T50-2 for 100-150 damage, while T50-2 will shoot back for 75 damage while firing 3 times faster.

Skilled T50-2 driver will easily dispatch equally skilled VK2801 driver.
Chaffee will simply snipe VK to death. However, close range Chaffee gets easily penetrated by HE/AP and dies.

Edited by Loofah, 06 September 2012 - 12:01 AM.


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View PostLoofah, on 06 September 2012 - 12:00 AM, said:

T50-2 beats Fatass easily  thanks to superior accuracy on the move, better gun and mobility. If duel takes place in the open, both tanks have to move to avoid hits by arty. In such case T50-2 can zig-zagg. 105mm shells fly so slow that the lead you have to take is so big each time T50-2 turns that its almost impossible to hit him, while he can shoot back with very fast Zis-4 shells. Also, Fatass will hit that T50-2 for 100-150 damage, while T50-2 will shoot back for 75 damage while firing 3 times faster.

Skilled T50-2 driver will easily dispatch equally skilled VK2801 driver.
Chaffee will simply snipe VK to death. However, close range Chaffee gets easily penetrated by HE/AP and dies.

Euro server must not have many good Cougar drivers if you think that.

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View PostTazilon, on 06 September 2012 - 07:03 AM, said:

Euro server must not have many good Cougar drivers if you think that.

US server must not have any semi-decent T50-2 drivers if you think T50-2 doesn't slay fatass with ease.
Writing such things isn't really helping your case, because, honestly, I somehow can't see you raping all tanks around yet not doing 65+% WR in this tank + tons of damage.

Edited by Loofah, 06 September 2012 - 11:08 AM.





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