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At what tier tank destroyer does the camo values of using camo nets and camo crew training cease to actually give any advantage to my visibility to the enemy?....in other words does every TD have a camo value and is it worth me equipping/training my camo net/crew?...i ask this question because i have 2 fave TD`s...the T49(T5) and the slugger(T6)...i fit the T49 with a camo net and camo crew skills(plus the commander has sixth sense)...the slugger with bino`s and rammer and toolkit...and assorted skills rather than camo skills....i find the the T49 can advance really quick and get a good hidden spot with camo net on stay hidden for ages(i do have the advantage of sixth sense so in know when i have been spotted)....the slugger cant do this...i often get blown up and thought i was hidden....so i am asking at what stage does camo not work on a TD...thanks for any reply`s

sorry for my english...i am Welsh.

every tank or TD has multiple camo valeus, they are tank dependant, and generally decrease when you move up in tier.

-stationairy camo valeu. (lower=better in general, this valeu goes if the hull is stationairy, it doesn't care about turret rotation much like the camo net module) (between 1,5% (MAUS) and 50% (jpanzerIV))
-movement camo valeu. (active when the hull moves, generally smaller= better) (moving barn 1,1% (MAUS) moving LT's (40% T-50-2))  

(valeus stolen from a exel sheet available in the WoT wiki)

modified by.
-terrain (various types, the only additive factor of the bunch,all invoirement camo within 15m will be reduced by 66% when a tank fires, the average bush gives roughly 60% camo bonus when within 15M of it)
-camo skill. (camo is modified by all crew skill increasing factors, as such BIA and vents also affect a tanks stealthyness. camo skill is calculated from the crew average as such training only a part of the crew in camo will greatly reduce the skills effectiveness. base valeu is 50% (0% camo), and will raise with about 0,33% for every % of skill in camo (~83% with 100% camo) )
-fireing or not (cannon dependant, 1 when the tank doesn't fire usually around 0,25 when fireing)
-camo net. (1 when not equipped or not active 1,25 when active)

all factors save invoirement are multipliers, meaning if your tank has a sucky base camo valeu, there is little use in giving it a camo net as its still going to stick out like a red stain on white paper.

moving barn haha

 Heratix, on 30 August 2012 - 01:06 AM, said:

russian TDs: up to tier 10
german TDs: up to tier ... 6

 Killatomate, on 30 August 2012 - 03:45 AM, said:

In the case of the Jpz E-100 i sisuspect a negative camo value, one that gives the enemy a bonus to view range

tjeck this thread for more info, values are not official.

http://forum.worldof...ouflage-tables/

Basically it's like this: if you DO NOT FIRE a shot, your cam0 values are good.
If you DO FIRE, your camo is totally gone.

Example: The tank with the best camo value, the Renault UE57, using 100% camo crew and a camo net, only has 12% camo WHEN FIRING.

T49 has about ~ 9% camo IF you have 100% camo crew AND camo net, after you fire a shot.
M36 has about 6.7% camo IF you have 100% camo crew AND camo net, after you fire a shot.
If you don't have camo crew and no net, you can halve those values.

Note: I;m only speaking about camo values when firing because what good is a TD when it;s not firing a shot??

 Killatomate, on 30 August 2012 - 03:45 AM, said:

OK so what about the american TD`s?....when is the time to stop working on camo and start working on other stuff like sixth sense or BIA or fitting binos instead of camo?
again thx for all your answer.

sorry for my english...i am Welsh

 NukeEM, on 30 August 2012 - 04:12 AM, said:

is that stationary/motion/firing with camo net or without?...i.e, i have been sat within 50m of 2 enemy tanks in my T49 and shot the both till death...and my bulb did not come on...i had my camo net green and i have full camo skills on T49...i am pretty sure they didnt see me....if i tried that in the slugger i would have died.

^^IIRC that thread lists everything with no camo skill, no camo net and out in the open- and it shows values separately for stationary/moving/firing. The numbers are probably detection distance reduction.

So a tank with 25% camo would be spotted at 300m by a tank with 400m view range.
Edited by Platypusbill, 31 August 2012 - 09:54 AM.