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Poll: Get Real with the Chaffee Turret (63 members have cast votes)

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Should WG give the Chaffee a realistic 2nd turret.

  1. Yes - Goddam it, it's meant to be a scout. (46 votes [70.77%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 70.77%

  2. No - that fat stupid head becomes a stealth tank. (14 votes [21.54%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 21.54%

  3. Er ....? Where's the porn? (5 votes [7.69%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 7.69%

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Grommet #1 Posted 16 September 2012 - 12:37 AM

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There are many things that are good about World of Tanks.

It can be fun. It can be torture.

It's the latest and greatest tank game there is, but it's not perfect - and I'm sure each of us will have his/her own particular issue with the game.

But enough about Artillery being allowed to one shot moving Meds while aiming down the barrel...

The biggest thing I find puzzling in WoT is this...

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and this...


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Yes - that hideous monstrosity is the second turret of the Chaffee light tank.

That means it is an upgrade on the first turret - except it isn't.

The Chaffee is a fine light tank.  Not crazy fast like the T50 twins.  Not crazy tough and powerful like VK2801.  It is very lightly armoured - nippy - and nimble.

It excels at spotting with a good view range and radio.

Then they go and give it this massive head.  The turret is damn near the same size as the tank.  Compare it to the standard turret...


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Now that looks right - it is a light tank.  And better yet - this is how it always looked in reality....


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Small, compact, an ideal size and shape for a light tank.

But not in WoT.

Now - instead of lurking in a bush - the whole world sees your tank.  Well, not your tank as such - just your head - your big fat silly head.
Instead of cutting across the battlefield like a stealth ship - you now have to run around like a child with hydroencephaly (look it up).  People stare.  Your head is far too big for your body.

Quite where the WG.net staff came up with this head was a mystery until a tank buff declared it to be the single abandoned prototype for the Walker Bulldog tank.
The turret they have given the Chaffee was an experimental development for the T37 prototype.  A larger heavier attempt at a new med/light - which failed.  It doesn't even look like a light tank...

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The monstrous turret was deemed a failure and wasn't adopted for the M41 Walker Bulldog - a mid 1950's replacement for the Chaffee - the Bulldog looks like this ...

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So this second turret is way too big for the chassis of the Chaffee - and worse - presents a huge and unrealistic hitbox for such a lightly armoured tank.

Many times - trying to hide behind a wreck or rock of some other hard cover I find my Chaffee being 'one-shotted' because its stupidly large head sticks out.

So come on WG - hold your hands up and give the US Tech Tree the ultimate light tank it deserves - stop penalizing us for grinding to the dead end that is the Chaffee - and give the Chaffee light tank the turret it deserves.

azakow #2 Posted 16 September 2012 - 12:54 AM

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I'd say there is lots of potential for improvements, but it ain't the vehicles turret! :Smile_Default:

Warheart1992 #3 Posted 16 September 2012 - 01:00 AM

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View Postazakow, on 16 September 2012 - 12:54 AM, said:

I'd say there is lots of potential for improvements, but it ain't the vehicles turret! :Smile_Default:

This . Only buff turret could get would be on traverse speed . I know it looks bad compared to the tank , but to be honest I never found it a problem . For the record , Chaffee has just a lil worse camo than T50-2 , so the case in hiding is not that dramatic

Kellomies #4 Posted 16 September 2012 - 01:27 AM

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Those goddamn MG pods someone must've nicked from some kind of trainer plane never stop perplexing me...

azakow #5 Posted 16 September 2012 - 01:46 AM

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View PostWarheart1992, on 16 September 2012 - 01:00 AM, said:

This . Only buff turret could get would be on traverse speed . I know it looks bad compared to the tank , but to be honest I never found it a problem . For the record , Chaffee has just a lil worse camo than T50-2 , so the case in hiding is not that dramatic
100 octane gasoline will help alot on turret travers speed.

View PostKellomies, on 16 September 2012 - 01:27 AM, said:

Those goddamn MG pods someone must've nicked from some kind of trainer plane never stop perplexing me...
Sure, did you watch Expendables?
But hey, though shall keep their eyes on the opponent only!

Armo #6 Posted 16 September 2012 - 04:07 PM

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Chaffee's top turret is an abomination and looks horrible.

Grommet #7 Posted 16 September 2012 - 06:30 PM

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It's not the camo value - it's not the looks - it's the size of the hitbox.

This turret is huge and easy to hit because of that.

Given that the Chaffee has no armour - this is surely a oversight.

azakow #8 Posted 17 September 2012 - 07:19 AM

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View PostGrommet, on 16 September 2012 - 06:30 PM, said:

It's not the camo value - it's not the looks - it's the size of the hitbox.

This turret is huge and easy to hit because of that.

Given that the Chaffee has no armour - this is surely a oversight.
The mantra for M24 Chaffee commanders is: Do not get hit!
Do you consider the size of the hit box to be a balancing factor?

MoveZig #9 Posted 17 September 2012 - 11:17 AM

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The tank is fine, able to hurt even T8, but that turret looks awful.

Belieber_PL #10 Posted 17 September 2012 - 11:57 AM

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I think the turret looks cute :D
But the Chaffee is in dire need of a buff, as I have big trouble getting any xp in it.
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Sepharus #11 Posted 17 September 2012 - 12:05 PM

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The turret was a source of major dissapointment when I finally got it. Its just so *bleeping* ugly and far too big for such a small tank. Ive used the turret model swap for some time, but occasionally youll get spotted and killed when you think you are completely hidden in a bush when thats not the case.

I really wish they come op with a more realistic turret. Sorry but who ever came up with this idea to put this turret on a tiny scout tank is an idiot.

Its almost like putting a Maus turret on an E50.

Edited by Sepharus, 17 September 2012 - 12:23 PM.


Bustergroove #12 Posted 17 September 2012 - 12:18 PM

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The Chaffee seems to be one of those tanks that if you are good with it, you owned the battlefield but, if like me you were rubbish with it, it's very unforgiving. However, one thing that put me off from learning how to play it was that FUGLY hat! Not only did I hate going "pop" within minutes in every other battle but I felt shame to be driving such an abortion :)

If they made it a bit prettier, like the stock turret, I may have persevered.

Only thing wrong with that tank is the upgraded hat and my bad driving!

Ruhrstahl #13 Posted 17 September 2012 - 05:07 PM

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I love the second turret. Yeah it may be a bit oversized, but I looks kinda cute/funny. It gives the Chaffee a really unique look, unlike the 1st turret. If you are dependent of the hit box beeing smaller then you should not play the Chaffee or you should reconsider your play style. In all my games with it I almost never felt that I died or got hit because the turret was too big.

Edited by Ruhrstahl, 17 September 2012 - 05:10 PM.


Armo #14 Posted 17 September 2012 - 05:44 PM

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The only thing that annoys me about the Chaffee by the way is the comparative lack of gun depression... Doesn't really fit the American mantra

Zanockthael #15 Posted 17 September 2012 - 10:43 PM

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I love the 2nd turret of the Chaffee. I think it looks soooooo cute. ^_^

I wouldn't mind an extra 5kph top speed, but that's for another thread entirely.

Jukelo #16 Posted 17 September 2012 - 10:51 PM

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I love the 2nd turret too, and it lets you mount that awesome gun.
What matters with the chaff isn't its size, it's not its camo value, it's not its view range..

it's the godamn GUN and awesome MOBILITY. These are the things that matter on the chaffee, the rest is simply nice to have. And that turret gives you the gun. => keep the turret.

azakow #17 Posted 18 September 2012 - 07:30 AM

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View PostArmo, on 17 September 2012 - 05:44 PM, said:

The only thing that annoys me about the Chaffee by the way is the comparative lack of gun depression... Doesn't really fit the American mantra
What US vehicle(s) do you compare with?
I'm asking since it seems to be in perfect fit.

The following list shows the gun drepression of the US MT/LT line taken from the WoT wiki.
  • M3 Stuart -5
  • M5 -7
  • M24 Chaffee -10
  • M4 Sherman -12
  • M7 -7
  • M4A3E2 -10
  • M4A3E8 Sherman -12
  • T20 -10
  • M26 Pershing -10
  • T26E4 SuperPershing -10
  • M46 Patton -10


Armo #18 Posted 18 September 2012 - 08:44 AM

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Fair enough then... It feels worse than the medium line, must just be me :)

anonym_kL7qtn3e52MB #19 Posted 18 September 2012 - 09:17 AM

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The only thing I'm dissapointed with is that even with these OP rangefinders, it still has worse viewrange compared to most top tier heavies and top tier meds.
Being "end of the line" in the U.S. scouting line, this is extra dissapointing (not the U.S. bit, the end of line bit...)

Still, my favorite tank in WoT.

Edited by Costarring, 18 September 2012 - 09:17 AM.


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