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Lorraine, my story.


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daz606 #1 Posted 16 September 2012 - 06:48 PM

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Ok, so here it is as I live it.

First off, I LOVE the 13 90.

Secondly, I HATE the Lorraine! (so far).

I'm totally stock right now, and the Lorraine is PITIFULLY crap!

Want to fight a tier 10? Forget it!
Ok, maybe a 9?? Forget it!!
Surely an 8??? You got help? (Basically someone to do it and you steal the kill).
Absolutely a 7? Is he hurt? You got a full mag? You are behind him...right?

You are going to be the tallest, biggest, softest skinned lemon out there.

So to surmise: From my experience, don't go in stock.

I'm grinding for the gun, hoping that maybe I'll hurt something enough to make them a little wary.

I've got camo and binos fitted at the moment, 100% crew with the usual skills.

So far as a tier 9: 1/10.

ahtrend #2 Posted 16 September 2012 - 06:53 PM

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i love the Lorraine, every hit you give them is full damage and you never bounce on them  :D

kick_as_killa #3 Posted 16 September 2012 - 06:55 PM

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yeah i hated the lorraine while it was stock, it was an awful tank, but it's completely different once you have the tracks, gun and at least the first upgraded engine.

After you have them it becomes playable and is actually quite good, apart from the lack of armour of course, but sadly there's nothing you can do about that :)

Mr_Sukebe #4 Posted 16 September 2012 - 06:55 PM

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Bad news is that it doesn't get any better.  Went through 2-3 direct nerfs and was then "boosted" from Tier 8 to 9, meaning it now fights tougher opponents.
Sold mine at 280 games as IMO it was simply a liability on the battlefield.  Even the scouts pick on you, as you have effectively zero armour.  Most hits result in critical damage and anything that tracks you typically leads to death within seconds.

When I see Lorry/AMX/BatChats on my team my immediate reaction is:
- Counting them to see how how few team members we'll have within the first 2 mins
- Wondering if ANY of them have a clue.  Most seem to think they're capable of mixing it as scouts and often die VERY quickly
- Hoping that the enemy will have a bunch too, so that at least it'll balance out

My beliet is that WG just didn't know what to do with the auto-loaders, so have deliberately killed them stone dead.  Doesn't matter whether they were already "challenging" to drive prior to 7.5, but that was the killing blow.

daz606 #5 Posted 16 September 2012 - 07:17 PM

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Well, my latest battle included a short lived battle with a Panther...I lost!

Now I suppose it's time to question my skills. I have concentrated on 7 tanks so far. I have Mastery of all of them. Scouts, TDs, Mediums and Heavies. So I'd say I'm ok at the game.

The bottom line is that stock, the tank is a tier 7.

I kept saying the armour is paper thin, but that's an exaggeration. Ummm, what's less than paper thin?

Now, let's be clear! I'm not asking for the tank to be buffed or altered in any way. No depression, no armour, huge size, slow aiming, damaged merely by aiming at it.
I AM asking that it be put in it's place, which is not tier 9. Not stock anyway.

For the future? You can forget the suspension and engine, that's 60,000. The Batchat is 200,000....

daz606 #6 Posted 16 September 2012 - 07:46 PM

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My tactic has evolved!
The world is right again and I am at peace!!!

The secret is the auto cruise!

Point the pathetic thing in the general direction of the enemy and GO!

I generally do something else at this point, so little effort!

All this will change ofc, as of 8.0 it gets an extra 50hp?

crucial....

Mr_Sukebe #7 Posted 16 September 2012 - 09:56 PM

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View Postdaz606, on 16 September 2012 - 07:46 PM, said:

My tactic has evolved!
The world is right again and I am at peace!!!

The secret is the auto cruise!

Point the pathetic thing in the general direction of the enemy and GO!

I generally do something else at this point, so little effort!

All this will change ofc, as of 8.0 it gets an extra 50hp?

crucial....


No, wrong answer.
Do that, you die and DENY your team a half decent Tier9 tank.  Right now you are a LIABILITY to your teams.
Sell it and do yourself and future teammates a favour.  Bear in mind that that Bat was also nerfed, despite being upped to Tier 10.  Sure, it IS better than the Lorry, but it's STILL a liability.

Put it another way, the day you login with your KingTiger and see a Lorraine as your top tank in the team, how do you feel?

Repetier #8 Posted 17 September 2012 - 08:41 PM

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Yesterday i saw a lorraine on Sand River that was just driving right into rocks on B7, i dont know if that was AFK, disconnect or just trying to grind this thing.

MyCom_Spitfire_ #9 Posted 19 September 2012 - 06:58 AM

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the taking out of the DCA90 really fucked the lorraine, a jump from the stock gun (which is 160-170?) to 232 is pretty bad, considering that the stock gun is useless and the grind for that much will certaintly kill anyone who doesnt have the mental willpower.

if WG wanted to screw anyone playing french meds, well they have now
sold my lorraine too

BRICE #10 Posted 20 September 2012 - 02:32 PM

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It doesnt fit the tree - its like a cancerous development as a child from MAUS and Batchat...
I can play it so - so, but its horridly huge.

Annihilism #11 Posted 20 September 2012 - 03:11 PM

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I feel you OP. I bought this horrible piece of equipment again because i badly want a batchat 25t.

I can go in detail about how bad this tank is but i don't think it's neccisary because everyone already knows.

The enemy team will love you since you are a wonderfull XP pinãta for them.

The new buff will also be lovely for the enemy team so they can shoot more HP off so they can get more XP.

There is only one possible way to make this tank playable:
- decrease aimtime by at least 1 second
- increase accuracy by at least 0.02

I found one way to play this tank though.. Hide... Hide as long as you can then when you see a tank singled out and he's distracted go for it.

Forget about supporting your teammates since you will be shot at sight as soon as anyone sees you (it doesn't really matter where you hit a lorraine, you'll always do damage). Also hope that the enemy team doesn't know that HE shells can 2 shot a lorraine.

Homer_J #12 Posted 20 September 2012 - 03:25 PM

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Problem with the Lorraine is it was supposed to be tier 9, they figured it was too weak there so tried to shoehorn it into tier 8 where it was too strong, tried to hammer it into tier 8 by nerfing it and failed then moved it to tier 9 without undoing all the nerfs and making the grind much worse by removing the middle gun.

It's a sorry story of not understanding what makes a tank good or bad.

Tubbeh #13 Posted 20 September 2012 - 05:18 PM

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WG just shows how much they fail with balancing tanks in this game.. I apparently read somewhere WG is doing well balancing, lol, bull****..

Garrolus #14 Posted 20 September 2012 - 05:47 PM

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Bought this one for the second time now and Im on the edge of selling it again. I spent a good 20 bucks to skip, easilly the worst stock grind in the game (well to my knowledge atleast..) with little to no help.

As they say in France: This is getting ridiculous.

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an0ther #15 Posted 21 September 2012 - 07:50 AM

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This tank as a top tier against E-75's on Artic Region was so much fun that I had to get the Bat through free exp.
Hats off to anyone who has the willpower to grind through this piece of ....

Working as intended WG.GJ.

TigerTr #16 Posted 21 September 2012 - 12:03 PM

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i have full lorr. and i want say this: This tanks is garbage! I am using stock e50 and i can easly say tank is much better and reliable then lorienne...

Dibbl3r #17 Posted 21 September 2012 - 12:55 PM

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Lorraine used to be fun tank (as Tier 8) and great money maker with 90mm gun, but moving it up one tier and all those pathetic 'buffs' made it dead.
R.I.P. Lorraine

daz606 #18 Posted 30 September 2012 - 02:07 PM

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Sold it.

Just could not tolerate it any longer.

posthumecaver #19 Posted 01 October 2012 - 08:24 AM

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View Postcoldnexusfrontline, on 19 September 2012 - 06:58 AM, said:

the taking out of the DCA90 really fucked the lorraine, a jump from the stock gun (which is 160-170?) to 232 is pretty bad, considering that the stock gun is useless and the grind for that much will certaintly kill anyone who doesnt have the mental willpower.

if WG wanted to screw anyone playing french meds, well they have now
sold my lorraine too

I really never understand that, as tier 8, 234 penetration was an exaggeration, what they did, they removed the 90mm from the tank to nerf it....

PAnther II, T-44 all had 200mm pen guns as Tier 8 but Lorraine must have 234 with 50s reload.....

I have difficulties to understand the wisdom of WG....

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View PostGarrolus, on 20 September 2012 - 05:47 PM, said:

Bought this one for the second time now and Im on the edge of selling it again. I spent a good 20 bucks to skip, easilly the worst stock grind in the game (well to my knowledge atleast..) with little to no help.

As they say in France: This is getting ridiculous.

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Passing 760+ games with my Lorraine (out of which aprox 720 post 0.7.5) I could maintaine a w/r of 66%.
http://worldoftanks....0109510-galatt/
That sounds quite good, right? The thing is though since I bought it back I lost almost every single game with it...
Works as intended.... sure WG




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