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rodier #1 Posted 18 September 2012 - 05:11 AM

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My first impressions was,  amx 13 90  with same gun ont ier 8 = useless..

but now I see its still op. All statistics  is really high on that tank, it can easily kill any other tier 8 tank in 1 vs 1..  there is no other tank than can survive this.

I know on range distances its bad.. but still,  I think it should be rebalanced.  All of them.  ELC is op even more.  more penetration, less damage. Its can't be possible to kill 1 tank on 1 magazine.

Edited by rodier, 18 September 2012 - 05:12 AM.


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Ah, another kid who don't know how to play and wants a nerf.

Brozilla #3 Posted 18 September 2012 - 06:05 AM

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that with all french tanks so if your drive them and the enemy is a "special player " you need only 1 mag but try it against a player with even skill when he is driving his is3/Tiger 2 or whatever and than you gonna have a baaaaaaaaaaaad time.

Panzerfahrer_Jaguar2 #4 Posted 18 September 2012 - 07:00 AM

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Yes the tank is too strong. They should nerf the french med line and buff the french heavy line.

MyCom_Spitfire_ #5 Posted 18 September 2012 - 07:01 AM

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and if it gets hit in the front then the engine will die, shooting a small tank like that will at least knock out the turret ring/ammo rack/driver (who is now important).
french tanks are pretty much glass cannons, amx90 cant really take on two smaller tanks like a medium or a heavy

saml6131 #6 Posted 18 September 2012 - 07:08 AM

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No it is not overpowered. For a tier 8 tank, it mainly ends up fighting in tier 10 battles due to its role as a scout/light tank.

Even then, there are still reasons why it isn't over powered in the first place.
  • Horrible aim time
  • No armour
  • High module damage
  • Low crew amount (Easy to kill entire crew)
  • Low health (In tier 10 battles, all arty can kill you in one hit, and most tanks can kill you in 2-3 hits)
  • Low Alpha
  • Low penetration
  • Long reload
  • Bad gun depression/elevation
  • Bad traverse speed (For a light tank)
Every tank is overpowered until you play it. So quit whining about it, go play it and then come back with a whole new opinion of it.

CrazyMartin #7 Posted 18 September 2012 - 07:33 AM

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This tank requires special tactics. It is not tank for killing every tank he meet.
Big part of battle you just hide and wait for reload.
But you can fast penetrate enemy lines, kill arty, heavily damaged enemy's tanks and run for another reload.
And very often i damaged from long distance. Its not impasiible if you dont drive of course.

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View Postsaml6131, on 18 September 2012 - 07:08 AM, said:

No it is not overpowered. For a tier 8 tank, it mainly ends up fighting in tier 10 battles due to its role as a scout/light tank.

Even then, there are still reasons why it isn't over powered in the first place.
  • Horrible aim time
  • No armour
  • High module damage
  • Low crew amount (Easy to kill entire crew)
  • Low health (In tier 10 battles, all arty can kill you in one hit, and most tanks can kill you in 2-3 hits)
  • Low Alpha
  • Low penetration
  • Long reload
  • Bad gun depression/elevation
  • Bad traverse speed (For a light tank)
Every tank is overpowered until you play it. So quit whining about it, go play it and then come back with a whole new opinion of it.

yup. believe it or not i thought the panzer 2 was OP when i first saw it :Smile_smile:

saml6131 #9 Posted 18 September 2012 - 07:38 AM

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And as for the ELC AMX, it has its own bad points.
  • Horrible matchmaking (M4 Sherman fights tier 5-7 tanks, ELC fights tier 6-9 tanks)
  • Long reload time
  • No turret
  • Long aim time
  • No armour
  • Bad radio
  • Low weight (Ramming is lethal)
  • Low health
  • Not too good view range
It's a low tier tank with a powerful gun, but that's it. Otherwise, the M18 Hellcat is very similar, and better in most ways.

Maximillian #10 Posted 18 September 2012 - 07:42 AM

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Do I think its op, no. (I did drive one myself before the first real changes, and it was quite fun, sold it long ago) Everything can kill it, but if it gets the opportunity, it will make your life miserable. Like most vehicles, if the driver is good and knows how to use it, he will know the in and outs of the vehicle and use it to maximum effect. I often think its a matter of people just raging aswell, shit happens. Got killed by a 90 about an hour ago, and I KNOW its because I messed up and didnt pay attention.

Well, just saw a panther 2 stop infront of a t95 and start to duel with him, then after the 95 kills him, whine about op 95 gun and armor...well, in some cases its a problem between the chair and the keyboard, not with the vehicle :Smile_sceptic:

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Minuses put by some skill-less lemmings. Thanks.

OP? Try to drive one perfectly once. Every shot that hits you is either engine, ammorack or another module damage.
Most french haters have actually no idea how hard it is to drive these things properly. Every tank is OP if it's driver is capable of controlling it. So quit the cr*p with OP topics. Quite funny how every second noob who's unable to kill some certain tank comes to whine that opponent's machine is OP. More likely you lack of skills.

Slyspy #12 Posted 18 September 2012 - 01:16 PM

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I struggle with the AMX 13/90. I find it to be crippled by the terrible aim time (why have the autoloader if it takes some much longer to aim than to reload?), the pathetic gun elevation (utterly unable to fire up hill) and the poor acceleration and agility.

Edit:

Oh the module damage is terrible. With to much packed into such a small, unarmoured vehicle, each hit cripples you badly. A damaged engine or a single broken track means death even if you have hp left and survive the fire.

Edit #2

I would say that like the T-50-2 the AMX ELC is a little OP when it comes to top speed and agility, if only because it puts attacking players at the mercy of their ping.

Edited by Slyspy, 18 September 2012 - 01:20 PM.


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And tanks will be more real during the next 8.0 update. It means that really fast tanks like T50 or T502 are unable to do such manouvers, because they'll sideslide while doing deep turns, which makes them to lose speed.

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View Postsaml6131, on 18 September 2012 - 07:38 AM, said:

And as for the ELC AMX, it has its own bad points.
  • Horrible matchmaking (M4 Sherman fights tier 5-7 tanks, ELC fights tier 6-9 tanks)

that's not a bad point !

my favourite victims in ELC are Tier 7 and 8 turretless TDs :Smile_trollface-3:

getting an ORLIK medal in ELC = priceless

Kellomies #15 Posted 20 September 2012 - 07:36 PM

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View Postrodier, on 18 September 2012 - 05:11 AM, said:

but now I see its still op.
This is the part where we explode in hysterical laughter, isn't it?

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View Postrodier, on 18 September 2012 - 05:11 AM, said:

My first impressions was,  amx 13 90  with same gun ont ier 8 = useless..

but now I see its still op. All statistics  is really high on that tank, it can easily kill any other tier 8 tank in 1 vs 1..  there is no other tank than can survive this.

I know on range distances its bad.. but still,  I think it should be rebalanced.  All of them.  ELC is op even more.  more penetration, less damage. Its can't be possible to kill 1 tank on 1 magazine.
Your conclusions of "tier 8 = useless", seem to have been proven very wrong.
Assuming that you have lost a (several) fight(s), while commanding a tier 8 MT/HT, I would suggest to bring your battlefield behavior into balance!

Moreover this is solid evidence, that there are AMX 13 90 commanders on the field, which are able pull a win in a tier8 vs tier8.
Congratz to the unknown commander!
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View PostKellomies, on 20 September 2012 - 07:36 PM, said:

This is the part where we explode in hysterical laughter, isn't it?
Hysterical laughter?! This is something for other people, but tank commanders!

I would rather like to ask the OP to provide the replay(s) of the incedent(s), in order to have a pleasent :facepalmic: regarding his game play.

Tubbeh #17 Posted 21 September 2012 - 10:59 AM

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In T7 this tank was a bit OP I had a lot of good rounds and the tank was just super.

But now in T8 the tank is more likely a high tier scout where ya gotta spot targets and wait for a good moment to flank and enemy and hit em..

The tank role is: scout & support, unless you get really lucky with MM where you can actually frontally pene most of the tanks frontally then it is great for peek-a-boo style aswell.

In T7 it was also a damage dealer which made the tank very super. I remember rounds to get almost in top tier and bottom tanks were like T5, it was like a whoa madness, 2k exp incoming.

Edited by Tubbeh, 21 September 2012 - 11:01 AM.


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View PostEscapeArtist, on 18 September 2012 - 05:29 AM, said:

Ah, another kid who don't know how to play and wants a nerf.

That was my first impression.

Waroch #19 Posted 21 September 2012 - 11:30 AM

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riiight. It's so OP I barely touch it since 0.7.5 while it was one of my favourite tanks before the execution.
But it's so OP indeed... Why not put it on tier 10, reduce Hp to 200, take off the gun and one of the tracks, and add a script that randomly kills one of the crew at the start of every battle?

Keep crying please, keep ruining good tanks. It's still easyer than getting some proper skill <_<

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View Postrodier, on 18 September 2012 - 05:11 AM, said:

My first impressions was,  amx 13 90  with same gun ont ier 8 = useless..
but now I see its still op. All statistics  is really high on that tank, it can easily kill any other tier 8 tank in 1 vs 1..  there is no other tank than can survive this.
I know on range distances its bad.. but still,  I think it should be rebalanced.  All of them.  ELC is op even more.  more penetration, less damage. Its can't be possible to kill 1 tank on 1 magazine.

well try both before yelling ? and face a friend with ... let's say t-59 (premium not OP for you ?) after try elc cercling with a t-50,
yes both french tanks can be great ... but like ferrari, mistake or detrack  means death
moreover, 1 on 1 isn't generality
versus armor, magasin can't always be enough, and half magasin is dramatic




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